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20 hours ago, Maxman said:

My choice would be Mayfield. Man he would be fun to root for. Spend through free agency to get talent on the roster and add Baker.

No guarantee they can get him, that is the scary part.

My order isn't as important for me as I just want one of Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson...I guess in that order but it's all really close. I actually tend to like Mayfield and Jackson more than Darnold in my gut. And Rosen's mouth and health is a slight risk. 

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34 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’d agree, but I think Bowles’ preference for veteran QBs is crippling for the development of a young QB, especially one like Jackson who will require alot of development in a more flexible offensive system than Bowles wants to run.

The plausible explanations:

1. Brett Jones is better than Richburg.

2. Richburg’s concussion issue was and is so concerning that the Giants willingly sat him out and are ready to give up on him despite his obvious talents.

3. They’re letting their top five center walk to save a couple bucks.

The thing about concussions is that not everyone is created equal.  it is not like certain NFL players get hit in the head more.  It is that certain NFL players get concussions more.  If you are susceptible to concussions, your NFL career is pretty much doomed.  

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6 minutes ago, varjet said:

The thing about concussions is that not everyone is created equal.  it is not like certain NFL players get hit in the head more.  It is that certain NFL players get concussions more.  If you are susceptible to concussions, your NFL career is pretty much doomed.  

That’s the thing that concerns me with Richburg. After Mike Webster’s tragic end, it was reported that interior OL—especially centers—have the highest instance of brain trauma because they get smacked on every play, and they obviously are in for every offensive play. I can’t help but think the Giants know more about Richburg’s prognosis than anyone else, and that’s what’s influencing their thinking here. Otherwise, they’d just pay him. 

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13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

That’s the thing that concerns me with Richburg. After Mike Webster’s tragic end, it was reported that interior OL—especially centers—have the highest instance of brain trauma because they get smacked on every play, and they obviously are in for every offensive play. I can’t help but think the Giants know more about Richburg’s prognosis than anyone else, and that’s what’s influencing their thinking here. Otherwise, they’d just pay him. 

Webster was a great center, but it is not like every retired NFL has that type of brain damage.  His brain did not handle the collisions well.

How many concussions did Mawae have?  Mangold?  Richburg is a problem-sign Jensen.  

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It's not so much that I don't like Richburg, it's more so that if we are going to spend money on a C I don't see why you wouldn't go with Jensen. I don't think Richburg is better than Jensen, if we want to call them even that's fine but give me the guy from the team that couldn't afford to pay him over the player who missed time and was not resigned by a team with terrible OL. Unless we are saving a bunch of money by getting Richburg it would seem silly given the two options IMO. I'm happy with either way because it can't possibly be worse than last year.

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2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

http://www.giants.com/2015-filmroom/...-richburg.html

"2015: 15 G, 15 GS, 0.0 sacks allowed

After starting 15 games at left guard as a rookie in 2014, the former second-round draft pick switched this season to his natural position of center, where he played as a standout at Colorado State. With Richburg commanding the offensive line, quarterback Eli Manning set career highs in completions, touchdowns, and passer rating. According to STATS LLC, Richburg did not allow a sack in 2015 as the Giants gave up just 27 as a team, tied for fourth-fewest in the NFL."
 

And this is after being a rookie playing out of position the year before. He became the leagues best pass protecting Center shortly after. Some comments from NYG fans prior to his 2015 year.

“Best center in NFL.”

“I think so too. Weston has developed nicely. Hope we can keep him.”

“Guy really came into his own. Nice to see a set lineup on left side and young. Im really starting to think Conklin should be pick as he be a tough Rt to pair with Jerry. Also a young oline for an aging qb”

http://boards.giants.com/forum/new-york-giants-message-boards/talk-about-giants-football/71292-weston-richburg-looks-enormous

 

Not only that but he only missed ONE game in his entire career before this season. ONE. And he was even cleared to play so IDK wtf you guys are talking about tbh. You can want Jensen .. that doesn’t mean discredit Richberg.

why wouldn't the giants want him?  

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

That’s the thing that concerns me with Richburg. After Mike Webster’s tragic end, it was reported that interior OL—especially centers—have the highest instance of brain trauma because they get smacked on every play, and they obviously are in for every offensive play. I can’t help but think the Giants know more about Richburg’s prognosis than anyone else, and that’s what’s influencing their thinking here. Otherwise, they’d just pay him. 

Been thinking the same thing.

 

Gross.

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

That’s the thing that concerns me with Richburg. After Mike Webster’s tragic end, it was reported that interior OL—especially centers—have the highest instance of brain trauma because they get smacked on every play, and they obviously are in for every offensive play. I can’t help but think the Giants know more about Richburg’s prognosis than anyone else, and that’s what’s influencing their thinking here. Otherwise, they’d just pay him. 

What's their cap situation? Maybe they can't afford to pay him.

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26 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

why wouldn't the giants want him?  

The NYGs are desperate for tackles and they are rumored to be going after Norwell who is probably going to get north of $12M per.  They back up C that filed in for Richburgwas cheap and adequate. Probably why the NYGs IR’d Richburg.  They wanted to see what they had in the young guy.  

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

That’s the thing that concerns me with Richburg. After Mike Webster’s tragic end, it was reported that interior OL—especially centers—have the highest instance of brain trauma because they get smacked on every play, and they obviously are in for every offensive play. I can’t help but think the Giants know more about Richburg’s prognosis than anyone else, and that’s what’s influencing their thinking here. Otherwise, they’d just pay him. 

I agree, doesn’t make sense

Giants don’t let home grown talent like this walk

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47 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

why wouldn't the giants want him?  

 

20 minutes ago, Pcola said:

The NYGs are desperate for tackles and they are rumored to be going after Norwell who is probably going to get north of $12M per.  They back up C that filed in for Richburgwas cheap and adequate. Probably why the NYGs IR’d Richburg.  They wanted to see what they had in the young guy.  

Pretty much this^

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2 hours ago, varjet said:

The thing about concussions is that not everyone is created equal.  it is not like certain NFL players get hit in the head more.  It is that certain NFL players get concussions more.  If you are susceptible to concussions, your NFL career is pretty much doomed.  

I agree with this for the most part. 

In Richbergs case?

 

47 out of 48 games played. One concussion. I’m sorry I can’t agree. If he had a checkered past with injuries, you would have a point. He’s relatively a very healthy guy. Wouldn’t a player have to have more than one concussion to even think about deeming him “susceptible” to concussions?

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IF the Jets don't land Cousins and draft a defensive player at #6, it will be at the top of the list of all time stupid moves for this franchise. 
 
As I was reading this I was "like who cares anymore since they won't draft another QB high".

Cousins or not I just wish they would draft a QB high again!



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8 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Go with legget and draft a tight end this year.  Jenkins crazy thinking he is worth that.  Hes done nothing in this league.

Good riddence.

What about Tomlinson and Sterling?  Any potential there?  Maybe not all-pro, but I'd settle for good enough right now.

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Guys have torn ACL’s and still gone on to get drafted high. Suggesting he gets drafted in the fourth is a little asinine to say the least. He will go 1st still. It’s not like he won’t heal from this. 

 

I would absolutely LOVE to get him in the second though. Have a feeling is he makes it to the second a team either takes him on the spot or trades up to grab him before our 2nd round pick. He’s so good.

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17 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Guys have torn ACL’s and still gone on to get drafted high. Suggesting he gets drafted in the fourth is a little asinine to say the least. He will go 1st still. It’s not like he won’t heal from this. 

 

I would absolutely LOVE to get him in the second though. Have a feeling is he makes it to the second a team either takes him on the spot or trades up to grab him before our 2nd round pick. He’s so good.

1st? That would be shocking if it's a full blown tear. The recovery time could be 6 months, especially for a lineman that needs to drive with his arm/chest on every play.

That's not a big deal for a vet, but for a rookie needing to develop chemistry with his o-line that could really stunt his growth and production for year 1. Teams generally pass on Centers in round 1, not sure Price is that good to still warrant a 1st round pick if there is a chance he won't be ready in week 1 and may not be at full "speed" until the middle of year 1/start of year 2. If we are sitting in the middle of round 2 and he is sitting there, that may be tempting if  the Jets are looking to build a team for the future. 

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11 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

ASJ for $7 mill a year?

I don’t really buy it, but if that’s truly the case, then he can suck a wet fart directly from my assh0le.

Would rather go after Eifert or even Graham on a 2 year deal if we end up landing Cousins.

As with any job it is a negotiation, he wants $7M, could just as easily get $6M. Maybe you say that is too much but we'd be arguing about 14th highest paid or 20th highest paid TE depending on which of those 2 numbers it is. I think that is reasonable, I'm not sure there are 14-20 TEs that I'd want in front of him, especially when you consider his age. My question is would his deal prevent us from adding a player of greater value? If the answer is no then I don't see the harm in paying him.

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10 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

1st? That would be shocking if it's a full blown tear. The recovery time could be 6 months, especially for a lineman that needs to drive with his arm/chest on every play.

That's not a big deal for a vet, but for a rookie needing to develop chemistry with his o-line that could really stunt his growth and production for year 1. Teams generally pass on Centers in round 1, not sure Price is that good to still warrant a 1st round pick if there is a chance he won't be ready in week 1 and may not be at full "speed" until the middle of year 1/start of year 2. If we are sitting in the middle of round 2 and he is sitting there, that may be tempting if  the Jets are looking to build a team for the future. 

The Jets cannot leave the draft without a starting center.

There will be drafts that project the top 3 centers going in the first round.

If we picked in the 20s I would say save the FA C money and draft one of Price, Daniels or Ragnow.

But they could all be gone by when we pick in the second round, and there are edge and Rb in the second round.

So to me, the best move is a FA C and focus on other positions in the draft.

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Just now, Pac said:

How does a guy who has been lifting 10 years tear a pec on the 3rd rep of a relatively low amount of weight?

Too amped?

Juicing?

Seems odd.

Freak accident. Like you said the amount he was lifting was a pretty standard amount and 3 reps is something he can do in his sleep. If this injury had happened on rep 29 because he was pushing himself to impress everyone people could call out the process for being too tough on the players, but 3 reps of 225 is something you see regular guys doing in the gym at any local gym. 

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13 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Freak accident. Like you said the amount he was lifting was a pretty standard amount and 3 reps is something he can do in his sleep. If this injury had happened on rep 29 because he was pushing himself to impress everyone people could call out the process for being too tough on the players, but 3 reps of 225 is something you see regular guys doing in the gym at any local gym. 

I didn't see it happen but maybe he tried to show off by going faster than he should have? If that wasn't the case then the only other explanation for me is freak accident.

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After speaking with people throughout the day, it seems there are four teams presently in the running for quarterback Kirk Cousins: the Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos, Arizona Cardinals and New York Jets.

There’s still much to play out, but people I’ve spoken with feel it will be an uphill battle for the Jets to sign Cousins despite being the team with the ability to pay him the most money, especially in the early years of a new contract.

http://draftanalyst.com/combine-notes-day-3-evening-report

womppppp. 

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4 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

After speaking with people throughout the day, it seems there are four teams presently in the running for quarterback Kirk Cousins: the Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos, Arizona Cardinals and New York Jets.

There’s still much to play out, but people I’ve spoken with feel it will be an uphill battle for the Jets to sign Cousins despite being the team with the ability to pay him the most money, especially in the early years of a new contract.

http://draftanalyst.com/combine-notes-day-3-evening-report

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This surprises you? I would put them third of those 4

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