Is 100 million too much money to spend?

[Jetster]

It seems that if we all can believe what's being leaked about Cousins, he's  probably going to the Vikings. There was no doubt in my mind that using salary cap dollars on an unexpected franchise QB with a front loaded contract was the quickest way to improve this team.

Now, reports (who knows if accurate) about players like ASJ (asking 7 million) Damario Davis (asking 10 million), proves to me that when agents see a giant pile of money, they will start setting their sights on getting their clients as much as they can. I know that is a given, but teams without ridiculous amounts to spend the agents have to be realistic.

This is literally Maccs last hurrah, if he blows this offseason & draft he has got to go and I'm a guy who has defended him knowing that no GM is going to be perfect. Unfortunately, the NY Jets have always been a running joke with the media and have to overpay to lure even mediocre talent. Plus, we always overpay guys we've drafted who aren't Super Stars like Mo & Winters. 

Without landing Cousins, how do you go about spending 100 million dollars? Landry? Franchised, Ziggy? Franchised. I'd like to read what others here would do to try to minimize having to overpay for talent & spend this money in a conservative way & not just in a spending binge on top free agents. We all know that never seems to work. Having 3 picks in the 1st 50 this year, I would as soon overpay both trenches & Corner backs. A big strong D line keeps the LBs clean. A big tough Oline keeps the QB & RBs clean. I would focus on Norwell, Richburg, Jensen, Trent Murphy, Gaines, Johnson, Breeland, Fuller, Lawrence (no franchise tag yet), Dontari Poe. 

This draft should be 100% about our offense that has been ignored for years. QB, RB, TE, WR, Oline. It's time & this draft has offensive players at every level where we pick high in each round. We have to come out of this draft with 1 of the top 5 QBs. We also need to come out with 1 of the top 4 RBs. We need to draft a future LT in this draft too. 

Its actually sad that we have so much cap room & only Leo as worthy of a 2nd contract. Until we get a franchise QB in here this team will be spinning its wheels every 4 years with a new coach, new GM. Having 100 million & maybe being left at the altar by Kirk Cousins because he doesn't feel he can win with the Jets is a black eye to Macc/Bowles, they've been here going on 4 years and we still don't have 1 super star on this roster! Not one! We don't even have a starting pro bowler! Macc better do something pretty f*cking bold or he'll just be another in a long line of failures in this organization. Until we have an owner who creates a power structure with just one guy accountable & not having a GM & Coach   who answer to the owner independently, we'll always be looked at as a loser joke franchise. 

[Pcola]

Without taking into consideration vets that will be released, I find it hard to believe the Jets. Oils possibly spend to their cap space without bringing in 3 or 4 absolutely terrible contracts.  Whether it be resigning our own guys, ASJ for $7M+ or Davis to $9M+ or throwing stupid money for JAGs that just so happen to be free agents.

I just didn’t see anyone available that would meet the level of talent like we saw when we signed Pace and Faneca.

[BurnleyJet]

We have to spend because of the cap floor rules. I agree we will have to over pay and the agents know this.

Although we can front load a lot of these contracts, so not to hinder us going forward. This will help out if we have to cutting them, if they don't work out.

[FidelioJet]

Yup, spending $100mm will be tough to do.  We should consider restrutring some of the guys we want to keep.  Frontloading some deals for cap space later - when there are free agents we want.

What really worries me when I hear we're interested in specific player - not that that's a bad thing unto itself, but with this kind of money we should be deeply interested in EVERYONE.  Why the F not. 

Nothing wrong with overpaying - that's the way of the league and that's the way free agency works.  Go after the best FA's available and pay them whatever it takes to get them. I would rather substanially overpay for a few good/impact players then pay market value for a bunch of Jags...

[BCJet]

1 minute ago, Jetster said:

It seems that if we all can believe what's being leaked about Cousins probably going to the Vikings. There was no doubt in my mind that using salary cap dollars on an unexpected franchise QB with a front loaded contract was the quickest way to improve this team.

Now, reports (who knows if accurate) about players like ASJ (asking 7 million) Damario Davis (asking 10 million), proves to me that when agents see a giant pile of money, they will start setting their sights on getting their clients as much as they can. I know that is a given, but teams without ridiculous amounts to spend the agents have to be realistic.

This is literally Maccs last hurrah, if he blows this offseason & draft he has got to go and I'm a guy who has defended him knowing that no GM is going to be perfect. Unfortunately, the NY Jets have always been a running joke with the media and have to overpay to lure even mediocre talent. Plus, we always overpay guys we've drafted who aren't Super Stars like Mo & Winters. 

Without landing Cousins, how do you go about spending 100 million dollars? Landry? Franchised, Ziggy? Franchised. I'd like to read what others here would do to try to minimize having to overpay for talent & spend this money in a conservative way & not just in a spending binge on top free agents. We all know that never seems to work. Having 3 picks in the 1st 50 this year, I would as soon overpay both trenches & Corner backs. A big strong D line keeps the LBs clean. A big tough Oline keeps the QB & RBs clean. I would focus on Norwell, Richburg, Jensen, Trent Murphy, Gaines, Johnson, Breeland, Fuller, Lawrence (no franchise tag yet), Dontari Poe. 

This draft should be 100% about our offense that has been ignored for years. QB, RB, TE, WR, Oline. It's time & this draft has offensive players at every level where we pick high in each round. We have to come out of this draft with 1 of the top 5 QBs. We also need to come out with 1 of the top 4 RBs. We need to draft a future LT in this draft too. 

Its actually sad that we have so much cap room & only Leo as worthy of a 2nd contract. Until we get a franchise QB in here this team will be spinning its wheels every 4 years with a new coach, new GM. Having 100 million & maybe being left at the altar by Kirk Cousins because he doesn't feel he can win with the Jets is a black eye to Macc/Bowles, they've been here going on 4 years and we still don't have 1 super star on this roster! Not one! We don't even have a starting pro bowler! Macc better do something pretty f*cking bold or he'll just be another in a long line of failures in this organization. Until we have an owner who creates a power structure with just one guy accountable & not having a GM & Coach   who answer to the owner independently, we'll always be looked at as a loser joke franchise. 

So the bolded part is something Ive mentioned a lot, and why Im not against singing cousins - there are simply not enough quality players to spend money on.  The rookie cap is great, as the young guys were overpaid, but it created a lot more money to spend on veterans, but didnt change the amount or quality of the veterans available which is why so many teams have cap space now.

Anyway, in answer to your question if we dont get cousins (and I dont think we will) the most important thing is to pay Richburg or Jensen whatever it takes to get them here day 1.  That has to be the number one focus as its a position of need, and there are 2 excellent players available.

Secondly I would get offers out to as many of the "2nd tier CBs" as possible.  Breeland, Rashaan Melvin, Aaron Colvin, Clairborne, Fuller etc.  Ideally Id attempt to sign 2 or even 3 of them and let skrine go.  I know 3 sounds like a lot, but CB is a position where you can pitch these guys that they have adams and maye solidified and that the sum of the parts will make them all look better.  Is three, 3 year $15 million contracts that bad for the jets right now if it gets us Clairborne, Breeland and Colvin to solidify CB and have depth?  

Next I would sign Paul Richardson.  I think his market will be less then some of the other guys and $8 million per season is worth the risk.  I know it seems like a lot, but thats just the going rate. 

Lastly, id love to add adrian clariborne to play 3-4 DE/DT and allow us to put a rookie like harold landry who is undersized but fast next to him.

As for our own guys, Id sign Demario and Eric Tomlinson and keep a VERY hard line with ASJ - and if he balks, sign a different TE.

If Jensen is $9 million per, Richardson is $8 and the CBs are $15-16, Clairborne is $8 and Demario + a TE is $10 total that gets us to $50 million and allows for some front loading (if my math is right).  To me that seems like a good way to improve the team while spreading the money around to different guys.

[T0mShane]

The Browns has $110 mil in cap space last year and they used it to launder Brock Osweiler’s contract and sign Kenny Britt, Jason McCourty, and Kevin Zeitler. Welcome to being the Browns.

[nycdan]

44 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The Browns has $110 mil in cap space last year and they used it to launder Brock Osweiler’s contract and sign Kenny Britt, Jason McCourty, and Kevin Zeitler. Welcome to being the Browns.

I think burning some cap space on the Osweiler deal that netted them a very high 2nd round pick was pretty smart.  Would you trade $16MM of our cap space for the 3rd pick in the 2nd round right now?  I think I would.

[kdels62]

1 minute ago, nycdan said:

I think burning some cap space on the Osweiler deal that netted them a very high 2nd round pick was pretty smart.  Would you trade $16MM of our cap space for the 3rd pick in the 2nd round right now?  I think I would.

Yep I wouldn’t be against taking on a bad contract in exchange for a second rounder and we should be looking for a trade partner that fits that criteria. The Broncos, Raiders and Giants come to mind. 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I think burning some cap space on the Osweiler deal that netted them a very high 2nd round pick was pretty smart.  Would you trade $16MM of our cap space for the 3rd pick in the 2nd round right now?  I think I would.

I mean, why not? 

[nycdan]

4 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Yep I wouldn’t be against taking on a bad contract in exchange for a second rounder and we should be looking for a trade partner that fits that criteria. The Broncos, Raiders and Giants come to mind. 

So there are 3 teams who are currently over the cap.  KC, MIA, PHI but KC will improve when they move Smith.  A few more are very tight and out of the FA market unless they can clear more.  It would be interesting to see if we could mine another pick by burning some cap to relieve one of them of a bad contract.

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, Jetster said:

It seems that if we all can believe what's being leaked about Cousins, he's  probably going to the Vikings. There was no doubt in my mind that using salary cap dollars on an unexpected franchise QB with a front loaded contract was the quickest way to improve this team.

Now, reports (who knows if accurate) about players like ASJ (asking 7 million) Damario Davis (asking 10 million), proves to me that when agents see a giant pile of money, they will start setting their sights on getting their clients as much as they can. I know that is a given, but teams without ridiculous amounts to spend the agents have to be realistic.

This is literally Maccs last hurrah, if he blows this offseason & draft he has got to go and I'm a guy who has defended him knowing that no GM is going to be perfect. Unfortunately, the NY Jets have always been a running joke with the media and have to overpay to lure even mediocre talent. Plus, we always overpay guys we've drafted who aren't Super Stars like Mo & Winters. 

Without landing Cousins, how do you go about spending 100 million dollars? Landry? Franchised, Ziggy? Franchised. I'd like to read what others here would do to try to minimize having to overpay for talent & spend this money in a conservative way & not just in a spending binge on top free agents. We all know that never seems to work. Having 3 picks in the 1st 50 this year, I would as soon overpay both trenches & Corner backs. A big strong D line keeps the LBs clean. A big tough Oline keeps the QB & RBs clean. I would focus on Norwell, Richburg, Jensen, Trent Murphy, Gaines, Johnson, Breeland, Fuller, Lawrence (no franchise tag yet), Dontari Poe. 

This draft should be 100% about our offense that has been ignored for years. QB, RB, TE, WR, Oline. It's time & this draft has offensive players at every level where we pick high in each round. We have to come out of this draft with 1 of the top 5 QBs. We also need to come out with 1 of the top 4 RBs. We need to draft a future LT in this draft too. 

Its actually sad that we have so much cap room & only Leo as worthy of a 2nd contract. Until we get a franchise QB in here this team will be spinning its wheels every 4 years with a new coach, new GM. Having 100 million & maybe being left at the altar by Kirk Cousins because he doesn't feel he can win with the Jets is a black eye to Macc/Bowles, they've been here going on 4 years and we still don't have 1 super star on this roster! Not one! We don't even have a starting pro bowler! Macc better do something pretty f*cking bold or he'll just be another in a long line of failures in this organization. Until we have an owner who creates a power structure with just one guy accountable & not having a GM & Coach   who answer to the owner independently, we'll always be looked at as a loser joke franchise. 

No offense, but I heard this "if ___ doesn't work out, then it's on Macc and he has to go" with Hackenberg, with re-signing Fitz, and with his inactions on opportunities again in 2017. His leash is that of a retractable design, some thousands of miles long. 

The rest of your post is hard to argue with. 

It's hard to credit him with glorious acquisitions like ASJ, Claiborne, or Demario Davis Part Deux, when all we got out of them is a year-ish so of upping their dollars during 5-win Jets seasons.

If he was so clairvoyant with regards to their talent (or that of other pickups like Fitz, or players he already had like Winters, Snacks, etc.), perhaps he'd have known to extend them while their dollars were a fraction of their demands (or ultimately, their subsequent contract amounts). 

Funny thing is the excuse afforded to him has been waiting for players to become sure (or surer) things is smarter, even if it costs so much more, and then in a span of 7 months he extends the likes of Mo, Fitz, Winters, Ijalana, plus offers extensions to Clady and B.Marshall. 

[jgb]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Yup, spending $100mm will be tough to do.  We should consider restrutring some of the guys we want to keep.  Frontloading some deals for cap space later - when there are free agents we want.

What really worries me when I hear we're interested in specific player - not that that's a bad thing unto itself, but with this kind of money we should be deeply interested in EVERYONE.  Why the F not. 

Nothing wrong with overpaying - that's the way of the league and that's the way free agency works.  Go after the best FA's available and pay them whatever it takes to get them. I would rather substanially overpay for a few good/impact players then pay market value for a bunch of Jags...

Front loading scares me. 2 years from now if any of these guys outplay their deals they're forgetting about the big signing bonuses and complaining about a yearly salary "below market."

[Jetster]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The Browns has $110 mil in cap space last year and they used it to launder Brock Osweiler’s contract and sign Kenny Britt, Jason McCourty, and Kevin Zeitler. Welcome to being the Browns.

My point exactly.

[T0mShane]

Here’s a crazy idea: take that $30 million you were going to throw at Cousins and use it to overpay Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller. Just straight up overpay them, get them in the uniform, and go from there.

[Jetscreen]

NO. IF you get the right guy with that 100 million. If you get the wrong guy? You're stuck with an amateur and an albatross contract that counteracts your ability to fix your mistake and move on. Because make it clear, if you give the wrong guy that kind of money he's going to make sure he collects. Because he also knows he sucks and his days are numbered. he's going to collect every last penny before he's left to a life of selling insurance.

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Here’s a crazy idea: take that $30 million you were going to throw at Cousins and use it to overpay Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller. Just straight up overpay them, get them in the uniform, and go from there.

I had Robinson in fantasy the year before he got hurt. He was a mental mess, dropping balls ect. Not a fan. Kirk looks really polished. Trade back & get some picks if by some miracle we end up with Cousins.

[Sully80]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Here’s a crazy idea: take that $30 million you were going to throw at Cousins and use it to overpay Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller. Just straight up overpay them, get them in the uniform, and go from there.

I'd love a Robinson and Fuller haul, how about we sign them regardless of the Cousins situation? 

[Barkus]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Here’s a crazy idea: take that $30 million you were going to throw at Cousins and use it to overpay Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller. Just straight up overpay them, get them in the uniform, and go from there.

I'm thinking similar. I'd spread that 30mill over several players instead of spending it all on one player. 30mill can get 5-6 good to solid players alone.

[Sully80]

2 minutes ago, Barkus said:

I'm thinking similar. I'd spread that 30mill over several players instead of spending it all on one player. 30mill can get 5-6 good to solid players alone.

30 Ms could get 5-6 Jags, or could get 2 great players. I'd prefer the 2 great players. We also have close to 100 million we should be able to sign Cousins and those 2 and those 5-6 jags. Unless Cousins gets 50 million in year 1

[Jetster]

If the Jets offer Cousins 5 years with a huge amount in the 1st & 2nd year, and he picks the Vikings (yes they have 50 million) it tells you everything you need to know about how the Jets are viewed by players in this league.

I'm hearing the Vikings want to do a 3 year deal. Why on earth would the Jets not do a 5 year deal? Cousins is a proven starter, no different then Stafford except he wasn't throwing to Calvin Johnson & Golden Tate, Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay. He's 29 years old, its a no brainer to sign him to 5 years and try to get to a Super Bowl.

I still don't think the Jets are out of this. Maybe I'm crazy, but there are going to be some WRs released for cap reasons & we have the money to scoop one up. We're definitely going to get one of those stud RBs in the 2nd round too. If Cousins signs, no one will complain about taking a beast like Nelson, or Chubb, or Ward. Plus, the benefit of Cousins on board is the trade back possibilities if a QB drops to 6 & a team wants to move up.

I shall not surrender Cousins until I hear the announcement that he has signed with the Vikings.

[Matt39]

The plus side of drafting bad players who dont make it to their second contract is the cap space we get to overspend on average players their first team didnt want.

[Larz]

The Jets need all the expensive positions, and will likely just put much of the money in the first year 

[Paradis]

Lot of money - but if we properly address the Oline (Richburg, Norwell, Hubbard) and get at least 1 more corner in addition to resigning Clairborne... that's a good chunk of change. Add in atleast one WR splash signing and you've dug into that. May as well extend Leo Williams for cheap. 

[jeremy2020]

Yes

[RedBeardedSavage]

We don't need to spend it all in one offseason.  

[RutgersJetFan]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Here’s a crazy idea: take that $30 million you were going to throw at Cousins and use it to overpay Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller. Just straight up overpay them, get them in the uniform, and go from there.

You're right Tom. That IS a crazy idea.

[kdels62]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Here’s a crazy idea: take that $30 million you were going to throw at Cousins and use it to overpay Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller. Just straight up overpay them, get them in the uniform, and go from there.

The thing is that those 2 will probably come for less than 30 million in year 1. And then we still have 70 million left to spend. Robinson, Fuller, Claiborne, would cost us maybe 38 million all together. If you add Norwell and Jensen or Richburg, that’s another 20-25 and we still have 30 million. Add in re-signing ASJ and Davis, puts at, in really rough estimations, 14 million. We could also cut Skrine and with those saving add Tyrann Matheiu and still be 10 million under the cap. 

Is there any reason to think Macc can pull off that haul of players?