nico002 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Do you double dip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 depends on the contract for Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, peebag said: depends on the contract for Cousins. 5 years 100 mil, 70 guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Lot of talk about Cousins wanting a 3-year deal. That would change the math for me, but at 5-years, I'd have to say no. Trade down if possible but you can't really justify that otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, nico002 said: Do you double dip? My initial answer was no and it still is. But if the contract is only for 3 years then it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to double dip but I'd still prefer Barkley/Chubb and take a QB in the 2nd to groom behind Cousins if he is only signing for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 If the Jets were to sign Cousins, Weston Richburg and a CB in free agency along with Claiborne, would it be worth it to trade up for Barkley ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 the answer is no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 There would be no need. If Cousins signs, we aren't considering a QB for at least 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: There would be no need. If Cousins signs, we aren't considering a QB for at least 5 years Even if he only agrees to a 3 year deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 Guys the 70 mil would go off the books after year 3 year 1 35 guaranteed year 2 20 guaranteed year 3 15 guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 If it's just for 3 years. I'd double dip so damn hard. Have your 1st round pick sit, learn and he'll be ready to go and still only 24-25 years old. That way you're not looking all over again in 3 years for another QB. BUT if it's for only 3 years, I want no part of that deal. / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 If we take Cousins, still take a QB at 6. Why not. Its a win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, nico002 said: Do you double dip? no, this isn't monopoly or some online fantasy pool. 0% this happens in real life by a organization managing a real team in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Pass. I think it'd be tremendously insulting to Cousins and I'm not looking to pay a guy 30 million a season and then swing a massive insult his way; part of our pitch to Cousins will undoubtedly be that we have three picks in the top fifty and we'll be building a team around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Even if he only agrees to a 3 year deal? I wouldn't be interested if it was a 3-year deal. Too small of a window for a young Jets team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Pass. I think it'd be tremendously insulting to Cousins and I'm not looking to pay a guy 30 million a season and then swing a massive insult his way; part of our pitch to Cousins will undoubtedly be that we have three picks in the top fifty and we'll be building a team around you. Where is the reciprocity? If he in fact wants 3 years guaranteed so he can go out after and score another big boy deal after, why are we committing everything to him, in order to make him and his ego feel secure? A true talent with confidence in their game who still in their prime finds motivation from a new kid being brought in. Competition makes champions. Cousins or anyone else, its the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, pointman said: Where is the reciprocity? If he in fact wants 3 years guaranteed so he can go out after and score another big boy deal after, why are we committing everything to him, in order to make him and his ego feel secure? A true talent with confidence in their game who still in their prime finds motivation from a new kid being brought in. Competition makes champions. Cousins or anyone else, its the same thing. All that stuff sounds great embroidered on a pillow, but in the real world you if you pull a move like this to a quarterback, it's going to do more harm to your franchise than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, RedBeardedSavage said: All that stuff sounds great embroidered on a pillow, but in the real world you if you pull a move like this to a quarterback, it's going to do more harm to your franchise than good. To both points, only if you're weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Yes. This is a team that would draft a DE every year with 5 great DE’s already on the roster and took back to back Safeties 3 years after drafting a safety, one year after drafting a hybrid ILB/S who runs faster than all those Safeties, all with no QB on the roster...why not double down with the most important position in all of sports when you’re that inept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 49 minutes ago, bitonti said: the answer is no Agreed. Once you sign Cousins, you're committed to him. Sell that pick to the highest bidder, and use the extra picks to build around him. Take a midround QB like Falk or Lauletta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Well it wound up in their favor when Washington took RGIII and Cousins in the same draft so why cant the NYJ add 2 QBs. Having a proven starter and an exciting young prospect has a nice ring to it no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 You trade out If they get cousins they need cheap talent around him Pass rush or oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 No way. We have a million holes. Cousins would need a ton of help, we can’t just piss away a high pick for a backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1st? No. 2nd? Yeah I'd take a QB then. Especially if Jackson falls to the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Paradis said: no, this isn't monopoly or some online fantasy pool. 0% this happens in real life by a organization managing a real team in the NFL. Here he goes again. Thinking inside a box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Cousins is no slam dunk. If he dominates, big deal....the 6 th pick lost....we wanted a qb, we finally got one. I wont lament the pick. Well probably waste it on another loser anyways If he craps the bed....a nice back up plan awaits. if cousins dominates you franchise him for year 4. im loving the 3 year deal. Music to my ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Tie up all that money in the QB position? That's called salary cap mismanagement. But the bad news is, we won't be lucky enough to have either option (Cousins or Darnold/Rosen). We need to be more realistic and aim lower (Bridgewater & Rudolph in the 2nd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esquire Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 If the player that the organization believes is the next Aaron Rodgers is sitting there at #6 I can't see how they pass on that. It really depends on how much they love the player. If they were willing to trade up to #1 for him but for the fact that they signed Cousins and he is still there at #6 I would think they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 No. Ideally, you get him more protection on the OL. If the slot at #6 doesn't call for it and there is a BPA at another position besides QB, obviously... you draft whatever player gets the Jets closer to AFCE titles in 2019, 2020, and 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 HELL NO. Signing Cousins to a mega-deal and then drafting a QB at #6 would be very poor form. One of the reasons Cousins wanted out of D.C. was because RG3 was Snyder's guy. Cousins was a 4th round pick that deservedly took the starting job away. He never felt wanted nor appreciated by the Redskins. Cousins' tweet about him and his son not knowing where he should sign was playful... but also telling. He is enjoying the recruiting process. Some might interpret this to mean he is insecure, needing his ego stroked, etc. Maybe a little? Probably not... What I am certain of is that drafting a QB at #6 would not sit well at all with Kirk Cousins. It wouldn't sit well with any NFL QB. I can't even believe this topic is being discussed. I understand the logic of hedging your bet on the QB position, but let's not throw all reality and the human factor out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, bitonti said: the answer is no The answer is unquestionably yes. At 10% more over 2017 you are paying $25 million for 4 years with a guaranteed fifth, which is basically backup money for the QB you feel is mostly likely to be a franchise guy. You run to the podium. Cousins is neither a sure thing OR a long term solution, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Put yourself in Cousins shoes. You agree in principle to a contract with the Jets, what is the first caveat you ask the Jets as part of the deal ? "I'm Kirk Cousins and I say no damn qb in the first round. Spend that first round pick on O line or RB. I don't want no stinking top six rookie following me everywhere. Never let it be said that I am not a generous man; I am happy to compete with the completely transformed Christian Hackenberg in training camp." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Signing Cousins to a mega-deal and then drafting a QB at #6 would be very poor form. One of the reasons Cousins wanted out of D.C. was because RG3 was Snyder's guy. Cousins was a 4th round pick that deservedly took the starting job away. He never felt wanted nor appreciated by the Redskins. Cousins' tweet about him and his son not knowing where he should sign was playful... but also telling. He is enjoying the recruiting process. Some might interpret this to mean he is insecure, needing his ego stroked, etc. Maybe a little? Probably not... What I am certain of is that drafting a QB at #6 would not sit well at all with Kirk Cousins. It wouldn't sit well with any NFL QB. I can't even believe this topic is being discussed. I understand the logic of hedging your bet on the QB position, but let's not throw all reality and the human factor out the window. If he cant handle competition he shouldnt be signed in the first place. If he insists on 3 years let him walk. If he cant handle a drafted QB when we have literally nothing behind him, let him walk. Personally, I would structure the deal so we could even trade him in the draft and have only a moderate cap hit to part ways after 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Gangrene said: Put yourself in Cousins shoes. You agree in principle to a contract with the Jets, what is the first caveat you ask the Jets as part of the deal ? "I'm Kirk Cousins and I say no damn qb in the first round. Spend that first round pick on O line or RB. I don't want no stinking top six rookie following me everywhere. Never let it be said that I am not a generous man; I am happy to compete with the completely transformed Christian Hackenberg in training camp." And he says that tell him "see ya" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, johnnysd said: The answer is unquestionably yes. At 10% more over 2017 you are paying $25 million for 4 years with a guaranteed fifth, which is basically backup money for the QB you feel is mostly likely to be a franchise guy. You run to the podium. Cousins is neither a sure thing OR a long term solution, And you alienate the QB you just signed to a 150M deal... Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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