If the Jets sign Cousins should they trade back in the draft?

[Viermoo]

IMO they have so many needs it would be a wise move. If there are still QBs on the board I would think a lot of teams would be willing to pay a heavy price to get them.

[Jack Straw]

29 minutes ago, Viermoo said:

IMO they have so many needs it would be a wise move. If there are still QBs on the board I would think a lot of teams would be willing to pay a heavy price to get them.

Yes, we need more Dylan Donahue's, Jeremy Clark's, Charon Peake's, Jarvis Harrison's, Bryce Petty's, and Chad Hansen's.

[ZachEY]

4 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Yes, we need more Dylan Donahue's, Jeremy Clark's, Charon Peake's, Jarvis Harrison's, Bryce Petty's, and Chad Hansen's.

I mean, you could say the same about our high picks too....

[Beerfish]

As usual, it all spends on who is there at 6, you do not trade back until you are on the clock.

[K_O_Brien]

Not if Barkley or Chubb are there. Yes, otherwise. But not within the division. Arizona at 15 would be ideal. 

[kelly]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As usual, it all depends on.. who is still on the Board when we're on the clock, what is being offered to move down & how far down we have to move.

fixed ^ ^ 

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~ 

[New York Mick]

It depends on a lot of sh*t. Basically what the tranny said. 

[kelly]

18 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

It depends on a lot of sh*t. Basically what the tranny said. 

tranny ?   

[Adoni Beast]

IF we sign Cousins, it would probably be a 3 year deal. So we should be drafting Lauletta and have him develop and learn until Cousins bails.

[New York Mick]

10 minutes ago, kelly said:

tranny ?   

Google

[Ghost]

If we sign Cousins, draft Barkley, sign Allen Robinson. Please. 

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, Viermoo said:

IMO they have so many needs it would be a wise move. If there are still QBs on the board I would think a lot of teams would be willing to pay a heavy price to get them.

No. If the Jets sign Cousins the guy on their radar should be the guard from Norte Dame. I wouldn't be upset at all of the Jets use their first 3 picks on offensive linemen and their 4th on a RB. 

This isn't a great OT draft class but you can get 3 day one starters at Guard and Center. For once in their lives the Jets need to build from the inside out  with that offense and this is the perfect draft to do it. 

It won't be sexy, but once its done then it won't matter. We won't have to worry much about the Oline or QB for the next 5 years in respects to dire need. Sure, we will still need at least 1 tackle, but it won't be "a Tackle, Guard, Center, Guard and Tackle" for example. 

This is beyond ridiculous with this football team. I would just like this team to be smart instead of sexy. If I want sexy picks I'd hit the strip club.  

[joewilly12]

No

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Jack Straw said:

Yes, we need more Dylan Donahue's, Jeremy Clark's, Charon Peake's, Jarvis Harrison's, Bryce Petty's, and Chad Hansen's.

 

1 hour ago, gEYno said:

I mean, you could say the same about our high picks too....

You're absolutely correct @gEYno We surely could, however, I think that if we sign Cousins and then build that offensive line it will give the Jets the best opportunity to develop all of these WR's we've drafted while at the same time establishing the run and balancing out this offensive roster. 

If we start trading down it most likely won't be to sure up the offensive line which means that Cousins will be running for his life because Wesley Johnson and crew will still be on the field. There will be no holes for the running game and these WR's will bust out because there's less opportunity to throw the football. 

The offensive line helps every level of the offense because it begins with the offensive line. I know you weren't criticising drafting oline, and you were making a valid point, im just saying that we could have a perennial probowl guard sitting at 6 with quality guards that could cement this line. 

If we trade down what will we trade down for? A defensive player? We've done that 10 picks in a row already. An offensive weapon? We have no offensive line to maximise that offensive weapon. 

Take the dude from Notre Dame, draft the best center and guard in the 2nd as well then draft our 3rd RB in the 3rd and that will give Cousins something to work with. Going into the season with Kearse, Enunwa, Robinson, Stewart, Hansen, Leggett and Whitehead to return kicks isn't the worst group of WR's and we can maximise these guys with a protected Cousins over a revamped Oline. 

The jets can average over 21 points a game which will help the defense. 

 

[BrickTamland]

57 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

You're absolutely correct @gEYno We surely could, however, I think that if we sign Cousins and then build that offensive line it will give the Jets the best opportunity to develop all of these WR's we've drafted while at the same time establishing the run and balancing out this offensive roster. 

If we start trading down it most likely won't be to sure up the offensive line which means that Cousins will be running for his life because Wesley Johnson and crew will still be on the field. There will be no holes for the running game and these WR's will bust out because there's less opportunity to throw the football. 

The offensive line helps every level of the offense because it begins with the offensive line. I know you weren't criticising drafting oline, and you were making a valid point, im just saying that we could have a perennial probowl guard sitting at 6 with quality guards that could cement this line. 

If we trade down what will we trade down for? A defensive player? We've done that 10 picks in a row already. An offensive weapon? We have no offensive line to maximise that offensive weapon. 

Take the dude from Notre Dame, draft the best center and guard in the 2nd as well then draft our 3rd RB in the 3rd and that will give Cousins something to work with. Going into the season with Kearse, Enunwa, Robinson, Stewart, Hansen, Leggett and Whitehead to return kicks isn't the worst group of WR's and we can maximise these guys with a protected Cousins over a revamped Oline. 

The jets can average over 21 points a game which will help the defense. 

 

i dont get this.

If you trade down to 15 or whatever, you can get james daniels to play center, or guard if we picked up a FA C, which i suspect we will. Its also a good chance to pick up courtland sutton if we dont get a big body wr in FA.

with you extra second you can get your excellent RB or maybe someone like OG Will Hernandez, a beast WR like DJ Moore and a pass rusher like owusu.

In the third you can grab the BPA falling whether its OL, CB etc. 

this draft is all about the 2-4 rounds.

absolutely should trade down if we have cousins

 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

No. If the Jets sign Cousins the guy on their radar should be the guard from Norte Dame. I wouldn't be upset at all of the Jets use their first 3 picks on offensive linemen and their 4th on a RB. 

This isn't a great OT draft class but you can get 3 day one starters at Guard and Center. For once in their lives the Jets need to build from the inside out  with that offense and this is the perfect draft to do it. 

It won't be sexy, but once its done then it won't matter. We won't have to worry much about the Oline or QB for the next 5 years in respects to dire need. Sure, we will still need at least 1 tackle, but it won't be "a Tackle, Guard, Center, Guard and Tackle" for example. 

This is beyond ridiculous with this football team. I would just like this team to be smart instead of sexy. If I want sexy picks I'd hit the strip club.  

No x 1000000

You want a guard for right now then go sign the best one money can buy as a FA. We'd save a maximum of $3-4m/year by drafting a guard there, and it costs the #6 pick in the country to realize that relatively puny savings.

[kevinc855]

No! Get the impact player at 6!!! Look at our second rounders so far, dud factory 

[ScarletKnight89]

You gotta let FA play out first. They can address multiple needs in FA if they spend wisely and may not have as many holes to fill as you think. I hate trading back. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but when you have a high pick I prefer to just sit tight and draft a top prospect. JMO.

[whodeawhodat]

31 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No x 1000000

You want a guard for right now then go sign the best one money can buy as a FA. We'd save a maximum of $3-4m/year by drafting a guard there, and it costs the #6 pick in the country to realize that relatively puny savings.

then who do you reach for at 6 if chubb and barkley arent there?

[Viermoo]

7 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

IF we sign Cousins, it would probably be a 3 year deal. So we should be drafting Lauletta and have him develop and learn until Cousins bails.

They shouldn't sign him to anything less than five years.

[BigO]

10 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

You're absolutely correct @gEYno We surely could, however, I think that if we sign Cousins and then build that offensive line it will give the Jets the best opportunity to develop all of these WR's we've drafted while at the same time establishing the run and balancing out this offensive roster. 

If we start trading down it most likely won't be to sure up the offensive line which means that Cousins will be running for his life because Wesley Johnson and crew will still be on the field. There will be no holes for the running game and these WR's will bust out because there's less opportunity to throw the football. 

The offensive line helps every level of the offense because it begins with the offensive line. I know you weren't criticising drafting oline, and you were making a valid point, im just saying that we could have a perennial probowl guard sitting at 6 with quality guards that could cement this line. 

If we trade down what will we trade down for? A defensive player? We've done that 10 picks in a row already. An offensive weapon? We have no offensive line to maximise that offensive weapon. 

Take the dude from Notre Dame, draft the best center and guard in the 2nd as well then draft our 3rd RB in the 3rd and that will give Cousins something to work with. Going into the season with Kearse, Enunwa, Robinson, Stewart, Hansen, Leggett and Whitehead to return kicks isn't the worst group of WR's and we can maximise these guys with a protected Cousins over a revamped Oline. 

The jets can average over 21 points a game which will help the defense. 

 

Great. Instead of losing every game16-13 we’ll be losing 31-27.

[sourceworx]

11 hours ago, Ghost said:

If we sign Cousins, draft Barkley, sign Allen Robinson. Please. 

No way Barkley makes it to 6. Chubb, maybe. But I don't think Barkley makes it past #4.

[Mogglez]

If we somehow land Cousins (5% chance at this point), I'd only trade the pick for a Mega-Haul.  I have no interest in helping Buffalo or Miami secure a QB they like and Arizona and NO are a little too low down for my liking.  I love Nelson (G) but that might be too high.  Bradley Chubb might still be around too.

[jgb]

15 hours ago, Viermoo said:

IMO they have so many needs it would be a wise move. If there are still QBs on the board I would think a lot of teams would be willing to pay a heavy price to get them.

They have needs.. for studs. Macc has never gotten a key contributor outside of the 1st round except for perhaps Maye (jury still out). Last thing I want Jets to do is trade down. Evidence so far is that Macc's only draft success comes from selecting the highest consensus player on the board when its his turn in the first. The deeper you go in the first and beyond, there is no longer one consensus guy.

[Jetster]

18 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

No. If the Jets sign Cousins the guy on their radar should be the guard from Norte Dame. I wouldn't be upset at all of the Jets use their first 3 picks on offensive linemen and their 4th on a RB. 

This isn't a great OT draft class but you can get 3 day one starters at Guard and Center. For once in their lives the Jets need to build from the inside out  with that offense and this is the perfect draft to do it. 

It won't be sexy, but once its done then it won't matter. We won't have to worry much about the Oline or QB for the next 5 years in respects to dire need. Sure, we will still need at least 1 tackle, but it won't be "a Tackle, Guard, Center, Guard and Tackle" for example. 

This is beyond ridiculous with this football team. I would just like this team to be smart instead of sexy. If I want sexy picks I'd hit the strip club.  

I agree with this, but we have so much free agent money, try to buy Norwell & Jensen or Richburg. Then draft the more expensive positions if players drop to them like Bradley Chubb & Ward at CB. Having 2 second round picks really allows for BPA at 6 regardless of offense or defense. I see a stud RB in the 2nd. 

[JetFaninMI]

In a word NO. Our skill players SUCK. S-U-C-K. After Kearse the WR's are questionable at best. Enunwa is a question mark. Anderson is a nut job and probably will be suspended for a game or two. The way he is going he may not make it out of training camp before he implodes. The rest are an unproven lot who cannot be counted on. The RB situation is sub par at best. Powell is not an every down back and McGuire is unproven as well. The Jets have to many needs to be giving up high draft picks. Unless they can get Buffalo's two 1st rounders and even then I would be hesitant. These reasons alone will probably be enough for Cousins NOT to sign here. It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming week. Another 7 days will start the process.

[Villain The Foe]

9 hours ago, BigO said:

Great. Instead of losing every game16-13 we’ll be losing 31-27.

But wouldn't it be exciting? 

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

I agree with this, but we have so much free agent money, try to buy Norwell & Jensen or Richburg. Then draft the more expensive positions if players drop to them like Bradley Chubb & Ward at CB. Having 2 second round picks really allows for BPA at 6 regardless of offense or defense. I see a stud RB in the 2nd. 

True, but the only FA that I know for certain the Jets are trying to get is Cousins. My view will change once we start looking at what the FA does. 

 

One thing that I do not want to see is the Jets pick defense in the 1st round for the 10th consecutive time. I don't care who it is, we've picked defense 9 times in a row and because of that we can't even score points. Furthermore we've picked defense 9 times in a row and our defense sucks. How about having our offense be a bit of defense by putting up points that can help the defense. 

[Jetster]

59 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

True, but the only FA that I know for certain the Jets are trying to get is Cousins. My view will change once we start looking at what the FA does. 

 

One thing that I do not want to see is the Jets pick defense in the 1st round for the 10th consecutive time. I don't care who it is, we've picked defense 9 times in a row and because of that we can't even score points. Furthermore we've picked defense 9 times in a row and our defense sucks. How about having our offense be a bit of defense by putting up points that can help the defense. 

That's all fine & good but if Barkley is gone other than a QB what offensive player is worthy of 6? 

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Jetster said:

That's all fine & good but if Barkley is gone other than a QB what offensive player is worthy of 6? 

Quenton Nelson. OG 

[kelly]

23 hours ago, New York Mick said:

Google

new york m.,   cheers ~ ~ 

[New York Mick]

4 minutes ago, kelly said:

new york m.,   cheers ~ ~ 

I’m positive Cuoco doesn’t have a penis. I’ve seen her peeing. 

[FidelioJet]

23 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

No. If the Jets sign Cousins the guy on their radar should be the guard from Norte Dame. I wouldn't be upset at all of the Jets use their first 3 picks on offensive linemen and their 4th on a RB. 

This isn't a great OT draft class but you can get 3 day one starters at Guard and Center. For once in their lives the Jets need to build from the inside out  with that offense and this is the perfect draft to do it. 

It won't be sexy, but once its done then it won't matter. We won't have to worry much about the Oline or QB for the next 5 years in respects to dire need. Sure, we will still need at least 1 tackle, but it won't be "a Tackle, Guard, Center, Guard and Tackle" for example. 

This is beyond ridiculous with this football team. I would just like this team to be smart instead of sexy. If I want sexy picks I'd hit the strip club.  

When have the Jets drafted Sexy?

We've been building from the inside out for years now - (yes, on defense and not offense) but certainly from the inside out.

It's actually time they draft impact players at impact positions.

[rangerous]

On 3/6/2018 at 2:53 PM, kevinc855 said:

No! Get the impact player at 6!!! Look at our second rounders so far, dud factory 

yes.  even with cousins the jets just don't have anyone that scares the other team either on defense or offense.  get a guy who will keep the defensive coordinators up at night.

[Rangers9]

I would and try to get two top O-linemen like we did when we drafted Brick and Mangold. And one of those guys could be the OSU center.