Worst FO move by Jets in recent memory?

[j4jets]

With Wilkerson claiming the Jets for his wearing down, it got me thinking what was the worst FO move in recent memory (since 2000). We’ve had plenty of course and I’m sure I’ve missed a couple of bigger blunders but I’ve listed 7. 

[Kleckineau]

We can start with them going safety rnd 1 /  safety rnd 2 after previously drafting a safety sized ILB.

 

[JetsFanatic]

Trading up for D-Rob was the worse move followed by the Sanchez contract extension.

The other choices on the list are nothing more than 20/20 hindsight.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Thread is early and ripe for a Mac hold my beer moment this offseason. 

[JetsFanatic]

1 minute ago, Kleckineau said:

We can start with going safety /  safety after previously drafting a safety sized ILB.

 

I respectfully disagree with you. Our defensive backfield was a mess in 2016. Adams and Maye look like they are the real deal.

[Pcola]

Sadly, I have the Jets blunders ranked going back to 1983.

The worst since 2000 for me was the 2012 offseason that included signing Tebow and drafting  Coples over drafting Dre Kirkpatrick or Melvin Ingram and then drafting Wilson, Cousins, or even Case Keenum that year.

Using two draft picks to move up and Drafting Robertson instead of Polamalu and Dallas Clark is right there too.

 

[rangerous]

it's tough to top gholston.  the guy did absolutely zero during his time as a jet.  at least drob did start and played well.  not worth his draft position but still started and played.

maybe the worse move was launching mangini for rex.  somehow rex gets 6 years, even bowles is getting 4.

[Tony MaC]

7 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

We can start with them going safety rnd 1 /  safety rnd 2 after previously drafting a safety sized ILB.

 

I don't see how drafting two quality players at a positions of need is the worst move made by the team in recent memory. You can argue that they could have gone elsewhere, but there is still a very positive result in that move as a opposed to some other ones.

I'd argue gambling on Hack with a 2nd rounder was WAY worse than that, as I fail to see any upside in that move.

[Bugg]

4 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I respectfully disagree with you. Our defensive backfield was a mess in 2016. Adams and Maye look like they are the real deal.

If you don't have an edge pass rushers, the play extends and your DBs don't really matter. Safety in the first is a Rolls Royce hood ornament on a Dodge Dart. 

[Kleckineau]

3 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I respectfully disagree with you. Our defensive backfield was a mess in 2016. Adams and Maye look like they are the real deal.

Lee stinks and they could have taken Maye and another safety later and had a 1st rnd QB instead of Adams. I cant remember when a safety ever won a SB MVP.

[Beerfish]

This is a tough one. 

Drafting gholston was the right move from a need perspective he just stunk as a player and only a few pundits though the would be terrible.  One of the big things this team has missed has been a dominant edge rusher.  I'll have to think more about this before i vote

[Bugg]

1 minute ago, Kleckineau said:

Lee stinks and they could have taken Maye and another safety later and had a 1st rnd QB instead of Adams. I cant remember when a safety ever won a SB MVP.

Jake Scott a half century ago or so. 

[Pcola]

4 minutes ago, rangerous said:

it's tough to top gholston.  the guy did absolutely zero during his time as a jet.  at least drob did start and played well.  not worth his draft position but still started and played.

Gholston was the consensus pick with draft experts and fans.  It’s hard to look back and see very many options for the Jets at 6 that year.  

I guess we could have traded back but the Jets have only traded down in the first round 3 times in 2005, 1997, 1993 (1 spot) and that’s going back to 1980.

[Villain The Foe]

It's trading up for Dewayne Robertson and it isnt close. The Jets gave up multiple first round picks, basically mortgaged their future in order to draft a defensive Tackle. What made it worse is that they traded all of that for a guy who wasn't a QB but a DT with knee issues going back to Kentucky. 

I remember after he went to Denver there was a Story that broke that suggested that he damn near had no cartilage in his knee entering the draft. 

All this because, like usual, they decided that the Jets decided that they were going to try and make up for past mistakes (Not drafting Warren Sapp). 

Psst...The more I reflect back on this team. 

[Beerfish]

7 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I respectfully disagree with you. Our defensive backfield was a mess in 2016. Adams and Maye look like they are the real deal.

But they don't both were not lights out in coverage and neither generated many turnovers.

btw we were rated 17th in pass defense in 2016 and 21st in 2017 we gave up 30 tds both years and gave up almost the same yardage.

[j4jets]

3 minutes ago, Bugg said:

If you don't have an edge pass rushers, the play extends and your DBs don't really matter. Safety in the first is a Rolls Royce hood ornament on a Dodge Dart. 

Do you honestly think drafting Adams was the worst move since 2000? I did put passing on D Watson as a choice but it wasn’t because of Adams. It was just the fact we passed on him when we had a major QB need. 

[Tony MaC]

8 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Trading up for D-Rob was the worse move followed by the Sanchez contract extension.

The other choices on the list are nothing more than 20/20 hindsight.

Wanna talk about some 20/20 hindsight?

5 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Sadly, I have the Jets blunders ranked going back to 1983.

The worst since 2000 for me was the 2012 offseason that included signing Tebow and drafting  Coples over drafting Dre Kirkpatrick or Melvin Ingram and then drafting Wilson, Cousins, or even Case Keenum that year.

Using two draft picks to move up and Drafting Robertson instead of Polamalu and Dallas Clark is right there too.

 

THAT is some 20/20 hindsight. Oh how did we ever miss out on a bunch of guys almost EVERY other teams didn't think to draft earlier on. Especially the prospect that was lighting up the draft boards, Case frigging Keenum! (who wasn't even drafted)

 

One of these days the fan base is gonna have to learn to not envy every single player that pans out for somebody else. They will always exsist, no matter what the Jets do. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 minute ago, Tony MaC said:

Wanna talk about some 20/20 hindsight?

THAT is some 20/20 hindsight. Oh how did we ever miss out on a bunch of guys almost EVERY other teams didn't think to draft earlier on. Especially the prospect that was lighting up the draft boards, Case frigging Keenum! (who wasn't even drafted)

 

One of these days the fan base is gonna have to learn to not envy every single player that pans out for somebody else. They will always exsist, no matter what the Jets do. 

It's a complex every Jets fan has since we took Ken Obrien and passed on Dan Marino. Everyone forgets that 26 other teams passed on one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. 

[MDL_JET]

Completely whiffing on the 2014 draft to throw a new one in there. 

[peebag]

Bringing in Fitzpatrick 

[Beerfish]

4 minutes ago, Tony MaC said:

Wanna talk about some 20/20 hindsight?

THAT is some 20/20 hindsight. Oh how did we ever miss out on a bunch of guys almost EVERY other teams didn't think to draft earlier on. Especially the prospect that was lighting up the draft boards, Case frigging Keenum! (who wasn't even drafted)

 

One of these days the fan base is gonna have to learn to not envy every single player that pans out for somebody else. They will always exsist, no matter what the Jets do. 

Winning teams don't worry about this simply because they make 'enough' right moves to live with the misses.  This team historically has not even done the competent thing let alone the extraordinary thing in the draft.

[jpoppy717]

Underrated bad move, and not as consequential as others, but one that was clearly bad at time, was trading for Percy Harvin in the middle of a lost 2014 season.  Jets were 1-6 at the time.  Unnecessarily took on about $7 mil.  And because it was clear team would be cleaning house no arguable logic that Harvin would be part of future with same coaching staff.  

[Scott Dierking]

This was easy. With the options given, it was extending Sanchez. This did this pure and simply to mollify the player and to not have hurt feelings with the bringing in of Tebow. The extension should not have been done at that time, and was done for reasons other than earning it. 

[Warfish]

1. Having Bowles NOT report directly to Macc.

2. Hiring Bowles before hiring a GM.

3. Hiring Macc as GM.

[Tony MaC]

7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Winning teams don't worry about this simply because they make 'enough' right moves to live with the misses.  This team historically has not even done the competent thing let alone the extraordinary thing in the draft.

Sure, but sometimes it gets ridiculous. Its like we get jealous with guys we couldn't possibly have seen would pan out the way they did, or guys that other franchises overlooked just as much as ours.

Case Keenum. Seriously.

[Tony MaC]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

1. Having Bowles NOT report directly to Macc.

2. Hiring Bowles before hiring a GM.

3. Hiring Macc as GM.

they hardly feel all that out of sync. And if I recall right one was informed and approved the other before signing.

[JetsFanatic]

25 minutes ago, Bugg said:

If you don't have an edge pass rushers, the play extends and your DBs don't really matter. Safety in the first is a Rolls Royce hood ornament on a Dodge Dart. 

I agree, but obviously a great edge rusher wasn’t available but good young safety’s were. Prior to the draft, many considered Adams the best player on the board. He was not expected to be available at 6.

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

This was easy. With the options given, it was extending Sanchez. This did this pure and simply to mollify the player and to not have hurt feelings with the bringing in of Tebow. The extension should not have been done at that time, and was done for reasons other than earning it. 

While I don't think we'd have won any titles or any such sillyness, there is no question in my mind that the Jets organization would have been better off being all-in on Sanchez as our QB from 2013-2017 as opposed to the Tim Tebow/Geno Smith/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Josh McCown extravaganza we'd suffered through instead.

Extending Sanchez, fine in that moment, if obviously too costly. 

Rex getting Sanchez hurt in a meaningless preseason game in the 4th quarter, unforgivable.  Everything bad that followed came from that one event.

[Pcola]

3 minutes ago, Tony MaC said:

Wanna talk about some 20/20 hindsight?

THAT is some 20/20 hindsight. Oh how did we ever miss out on a bunch of guys almost EVERY other teams didn't think to draft earlier on. Especially the prospect that was lighting up the draft boards, Case frigging Keenum! (who wasn't even drafted)

 

One of these days the fan base is gonna have to learn to not envy every single player that pans out for somebody else. They will always exsist, no matter what the Jets do. 

I’m not sure about you but I don’t know one knowledgeable Jet fan that was OK with Tebow.  Much rather of drafted a QB then to trade for him.

And of all the drafts that we waste picks on QBs, like Hackenberg, Petty, Taj Boyd, Geno, McElroy, Ainge, Clemens, and Bollinger...the one draft we don’t take a QB has 2 future stars and one possible starting QB easily available for the taking.

And as far as assuming we could have taken Polamalu, we did draft a safety in that same draft so we obviously were looking at the safeties.

And not to speak for the entire fan base, but a good portion of the fan base would appreciate just a little bit better than we have been doing.  Even now, as we “build through the draft,” we don’t have very much to show for it.

You want to talk about hindsight, would you trade every pick we had in 2015 to move up for Mariota? Or the entire 2016 draft for Goff or Wentz?  Of course you would.  On draft day everyone has so much optimism.  What we end up with is always a disappointment.

Having a team full of JAGs will do that to you.

 

[Tony MaC]

 

10 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

This was easy. With the options given, it was extending Sanchez. This did this pure and simply to mollify the player and to not have hurt feelings with the bringing in of Tebow. The extension should not have been done at that time, and was done for reasons other than earning it. 

There was something about trying to get in on Sanchez before he got more expensive later too, but this is a pretty good pick. It has the right balance of not panning out and not being a very good idea at the time either.

[JetsFanatic]

28 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Lee stinks and they could have taken Maye and another safety later and had a 1st rnd QB instead of Adams. I cant remember when a safety ever won a SB MVP.

The Jets had many needs going into the 2017 draft including both Safety positions.Mac picked talented players at need positions. Over the long haul they will prove to be solid picks.

[Scott Dierking]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

While I don't think we'd have won any titles or any such sillyness, there is no question in my mind that the Jets organization would have been better off being all-in on Sanchez as our QB from 2013-2017 as opposed to the Tim Tebow/Geno Smith/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Josh McCown extravaganza we'd suffered through instead.

Extending Sanchez, fine in that moment, if obviously too costly. 

Rex getting Sanchez hurt in a meaningless preseason game in the 4th quarter, unforgivable.  Everything bad that followed came from that one event.

Going after Tebow was a bigger mistake. Absolutely idiotic on Rex's part, because he was enamored with the wildcat, because his defense could not control it. In his mind, if he could not stop it, who could?

[JetsFanatic]

25 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

But they don't both were not lights out in coverage and neither generated many turnovers.

btw we were rated 17th in pass defense in 2016 and 21st in 2017 we gave up 30 tds both years and gave up almost the same yardage.

Both Adams and Maye were solid picks. They will both continue to grow in the coming seasons.

 I’m not familiar with the rankings of 2017, but I watched virtually every snap of both seasons, they were much worse in the defensive backfield in 2016.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

1. Having Bowles NOT report directly to Macc.

2. Hiring Bowles before hiring a GM.

3. Hiring Macc as GM.

I fully agree with 1 and 2, but only partially agree about 3. I would like to see what he could do without Johnson and Bowles directing him. It could be more of the same, but it also could have been completely different.

We hired a firm to find Idzik, and a consultant to hire Bowles and Macc. This all falls on Woody Johnson. 

[Pcola]

10 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I fully agree with 1 and 2, but only partially agree about 3. I would like to see what he could do without Johnson and Bowles directing him. It could be more of the same, but it also could have been completely different.

We hired a firm to find Idzik, and a consultant to hire Bowles and Macc. This all falls on Woody Johnson. 

The structure is what causes the problems between our GM and HC.

With Rex reporting to Woody, he had way too much influence on the draft and free agency.  Then when the roster sucked, he got a pass and cost two GMs their jobs.