Should Jets inquire about Patrick Peterson in trade down scenario?

[PepPep]

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Interesting idea. Heard of it in Garrett Ey's write up, link above.   

If the Jets win the Cousins sweepstakes, or don't like the QB options at 6, I have suggested that they should target the Cardinals in trade down and add draft picks, allowing them to take a QB. 

What I did not consider is the possibility of the Cardinals making a Pro Bowler like Patrick Peterson available for trade so that they can clear cap space and retain their draft picks. 

Would you trade down to 15 if you got no additional draft picks but a perennial Pro Bowler like P.Peterson? Would you want to take on his salary? He's signed for 3 more years with a $13mil cap hit. 

I would do it, but only if the Jets got Cousins.   

 

[Jack Straw]

1 minute ago, PepPep said:

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Interesting idea. Heard of it in Garrett Ey's write up, link above.   

If the Jets win the Cousins sweepstakes, or don't like the QB options at 6, I have suggested that they should target the Cardinals in trade down and add draft picks, allowing them to take a QB. 

What I did not consider is the possibility of the Cardinals making a Pro Bowler like Patrick Peterson available for trade so that they can clear cap space and retain their draft picks. 

Would you trade down to 15 if you got no additional draft picks but a perennial Pro Bowler like P.Peterson? Would you want to take on his salary? He's signed for 3 more years with a $13mil cap hit. 

I would do it, but only if the Jets got Cousins.   

 

We could have drafted our very own 6'0 shutdown corner in Marshon Lattimore last year but instead chose to draft a limited in-the-box strong safety who's off the charts in all things that are entirely impossible to measure.

[Beerfish]

Though we need a CB can we for once in our lives do something to enhance the offense?  Especially when we in your scenario have just signed cousins.

[PepPep]

4 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

We could have drafted our very own 6'0 shutdown corner in Marshon Lattimore last year but instead chose to draft a limited in-the-box strong safety who's off the charts in all things that are entirely impossible to measure.

What in the world does your statement have to do with this thread? Stop it. 

LYMI (Love You Mean It) 

[PepPep]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Though we need a CB can we for once in our lives do something to enhance the offense?  Especially when we in your scenario have just signed cousins.

I agree, but by bringing in Peterson you fill a major need and can therefore use more of your draft capital for offense. For example, if the Jets sign Cousins and swing a trade for Peterson, I would draft the top O-lineman at 15 (McGlinchey, Williams, Wynn, Ragnow, Price, etc.) and add a Pass rusher, RB and WR in rounds 2 and 3. Obviously, if the Jets don't sign Cousins, I would not want to make that deal for Peterson. #1 B/C I'd want more draft picks rather than a high priced player. #2 I'd want to roll the dice on a QB at 6 and #3- Having a 'serviceable' vet and a rookie would not put us in 'win-now' mode, so why bring in a high priced vet like Peterson if the Jets aren't ready to be contenders anyway. 

[Jack Straw]

2 minutes ago, PepPep said:

What in the world does your statement have to do with this thread? Stop it. 

LYMI (Love You Mean It) 

It means that if you want a shut down corner, you draft one when you have the opportunity. You don't trade your most valuable assets for a guy who is the crossroads of their career, about to turn 28, and at the peak of their earning power. That's bad business. You draft one; you don't trade for it, unless it's a low-first rounder who is going to catapult the team to a Super Bowl. And that, my friend, is not where we're at. So no, you do NOT trade for Patrick Peterson.

It's also helps to show some sort of prioritization towards acquiring talent at the most valuable positions (QB, LT, OLB, WR, CB). So drafting safeties in the first round over these positions is stupid, especially when there's a franchise CB staring at you.

[Thai Jet]

21 minutes ago, PepPep said:

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Interesting idea. Heard of it in Garrett Ey's write up, link above.   

If the Jets win the Cousins sweepstakes, or don't like the QB options at 6, I have suggested that they should target the Cardinals in trade down and add draft picks, allowing them to take a QB. 

What I did not consider is the possibility of the Cardinals making a Pro Bowler like Patrick Peterson available for trade so that they can clear cap space and retain their draft picks. 

Would you trade down to 15 if you got no additional draft picks but a perennial Pro Bowler like P.Peterson? Would you want to take on his salary? He's signed for 3 more years with a $13mil cap hit. 

I would do it, but only if the Jets got Cousins.   

 

Would not even consider it unless we already had a starting QB signed up pre draft. Something to think about for sure.

[Thai Jet]

19 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

We could have drafted our very own 6'0 shutdown corner in Marshon Lattimore last year but instead chose to draft a limited in-the-box strong safety who's off the charts in all things that are entirely impossible to measure.

I was shocked we didn't grab Lattimore last year. I like Adams but CB is so critical Guess the Saints are pretty happy they grabbed him.

[KRL]

Jet fans need to stop changing history when it comes to Lattimore last year.  He had
chronic hamstring issues throughout his whole career at Ohio St.  And then when he
ran ONE 40 yard dash at the Combine he pulled up lame.  Only a liar would now say
they wanted to draft him with all of those injury concerns (Dee Milliner anyone?)

[MDL_JET]

Whoever said Peterson was available for trade?? Because they need some cap space? 

[#27TheDominator]

Certainly a better option than Sherman.  I think he only costs around $11M this year and next and is signed for 2020 at another $12M.  He extended in 2014 with 2 years left on his deal, so the price is very reasonable.  See how that works?  Would he be happy or want to redo his deal?  I don't think I'd do it to move down 10 slots, but I would love to have the player.  

[PepPep]

1 minute ago, Thai Jet said:

I was shocked we didn't grab Lattimore last year. I like Adams but CB is so critical Guess the Saints are pretty happy they grabbed him.

Until he got hurt.

5 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

It means that if you want a shut down corner, you draft one when you have the opportunity. You don't trade your most valuable assets for a guy who is the crossroads of their career, about to turn 28, and at the peak of their earning power. That's bad business. You draft one; you don't trade for it, unless it's a low-first rounder who is going to catapult the team to a Super Bowl. And that, my friend, is not where we're at. So no, you do NOT trade for Patrick Peterson.

It's also helps to show some sort of prioritization towards acquiring talent at the most valuable positions (QB, LT, OLB, WR, CB). So drafting safeties in the first round over these positions is stupid, especially when there's a franchise CB staring at you.

Fair enough. But your comment before just sounded like every other disgruntled Jet fan whining about drafting a safety early. When, every analyst and their mother had Adams as a top 5 prospect and game changing safety. Hindsight is 20/20. I have a sneaky suspicion that had Lattimore got injured in week 2 rather than the end of the season and Adams had a few more INTs his rookie year you wouldn't be saying the Jets should've drafted Lattimore. Or conversely if they DID draft Lattimore and he got hurt in week two, while Adams had a stellar season elsewhere, you'd be complaining that we passed on a premier talent in Adams...rather that saying, well, at least we drafted a CB and not a safety. After all, CB is a premier position.

And if CB is such an important position, why not bring in a Pro Bowler in his prime who is proven? Especially if you have a ton of cap space and a hole at the position.  

Peterson is under contract. You have a 3 year window before thinking about resigning him. He's as ELITE CB in his prime. Arguably the best in the league. If you sign Cousins, you have a 4-5 year window, give or take. You are immediately in win now mode with these two guys and the other younger talent the Jets already have (Adams, Maye, Leo, etc.)

You have cap room to bring in more players and you have draft picks to infuse the team with more young talent.   

[Jetster]

6 minutes ago, KRL said:

Jet fans need to stop changing history when it comes to Lattimore last year.  He had
chronic hamstring issues throughout his whole career at Ohio St.  And then when he
ran ONE 40 yard dash at the Combine he pulled up lame.  Only a liar would now say
they wanted to draft him with all of those injury concerns (Dee Milliner anyone?)

Truth! I read nothing but, "I'll lose it if we draft another Milliner" LOL.

[Jack Straw]

43 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Until he got hurt.

Fair enough. But your comment before just sounded like every other disgruntled Jet fan whining about drafting a safety early. When, every analyst and their mother had Adams as a top 5 prospect and game changing safety. Hindsight is 20/20. I have a sneaky suspicion that had Lattimore got injured in week 2 rather than the end of the season and Adams had a few more INTs his rookie year you wouldn't be saying the Jets should've drafted Lattimore. Or conversely if they DID draft Lattimore and he got hurt in week two, while Adams had a stellar season elsewhere, you'd be complaining that we passed on a premier talent in Adams...rather that saying, well, at least we drafted a CB and not a safety. After all, CB is a premier position.

And if CB is such an important position, why not bring in a Pro Bowler in his prime who is proven? Especially if you have a ton of cap space and a hole at the position.  

Peterson is under contract. You have a 3 year window before thinking about resigning him. He's as ELITE CB in his prime. Arguably the best in the league. If you sign Cousins, you have a 4-5 year window, give or take. You are immediately in win now mode with these two guys and the other younger talent the Jets already have (Adams, Maye, Leo, etc.)

You have cap room to bring in more players and you have draft picks to infuse the team with more young talent.   

Swinging and missing at positions like OLB, QB, CB, WR at the top of the draft is bad but forgivable. As awful as Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner were as players, and as up and down as Mark Sanchez was, I've never once criticized the picks because at least we were drafting the consensus BAP at positions of the highest values. It's a risk that all good teams have to take, and if you swing and miss, it sucks, but if you hit, you're looking at being a perennial contender for a long time.

We, on the other hand, consistently dedicate our day two picks towards drafting highly-flawed players at impact positions (Geno Smith, Christian Hackenberg, Stephen Hill, Devin Smith) while we dedicate our premium draft picks towards the Jamal Adams/Calvin Pryors/Darron Lees of the world. This is because our general manager doesn't have the balls to go for gold and would much prefer to be sitting off the podium in fourth place so long as he's not in last place.

If this is the thinking of the general manager, then he doesn't deserve to be a general manager. He's more concerned with self-preservation (he'll never get fired for drafting Jamal Adams because his floor is extremely high), which forces him to pass on guys like Deshaun Watson (who looked like a boom/bust prospect who would easily get a GM fired if he sucked). 

This is no way to run a team. We need to dedicate our most valuable resources to the positions that matter the most, and we do not do that.

[Lupz27]

54 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Whoever said Peterson was available for trade?? Because they need some cap space? 

Yeah I’d like to know where it’s being reported that Peterson is being shopped?  And if so I’d guess the Browns would probably be all over this swapping pick 4 for Peterson, Arizona’s 1st, and probably another pick this year, or next.

[PepPep]

9 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Swinging and missing at positions like OLB, QB, CB, WR at the top of the draft is bad but forgivable. As awful as Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner were as players, and as up and down as Mark Sanchez was, I've never once criticized the picks because at least we were drafting the consensus BAP at positions of the highest values. It's a risk that all good teams have to take, and if you swing and miss, it sucks, but if you hit, you're looking at being a perennial contender for a long time.

We, on the other hand, consistently dedicate our day two picks towards drafting highly-flawed players at impact positions (Geno Smith, Christian Hackenberg, Stephen Hill, Devin Smith) while we dedicate our premium draft picks towards the Jamal Adams/Calvin Pryors/Darron Lees of the world. This is because our general manager doesn't have the balls to go for gold and would much prefer to be sitting off the podium in fourth place so long as he's not in last place.

If this is the thinking of the general manager, then he doesn't deserve to be a general manager. He's more concerned with self-preservation (he'll never get fired for drafting Jamal Adams because his floor is extremely high), which forces him to pass on guys like Deshaun Watson (who looked like a boom/bust prospect who would easily get a GM fired if he sucked). 

This is no way to run a team. We need to dedicate our most valuable resources to the positions that matter the most, and we do not do that.

I'm just saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat. 

Maye and Adams look like legit starters AT WORST at the safety position. No, we didn't get a QB or CB, but if we brought in Cousins and Peterson, whats' the difference? Those positions are now addressed, and by proven veterans in their prime...not wait and see rookies. Somebody has to get paid, right? Actually, EVERY good player will have to get paid...eventually. So it's really not about allocation of $$$, as long as you're not in cap hell. 

So I get your point, but you can win (and win big) without having to draft your QB, CB, Pass Rusher and LT. Or you can do a little bit of both, sign a QB (although this is rare), trade for a CB, draft a Pass Rusher and or LT.   

[Lupz27]

Would be hilarious to watch the Jets, and Josh McCown go 5-11 while Bowles had his hand picked players of Peterson, Honey Badger, Adams, Maye, Lee, Leo, and insert 1st round Defensive draft pick, while that hand picked defense finishes ranked in the 20’s yet again while everyone makes excuses for it because it was always on the field, and Todd Bowles gets another season to try, and win with another 30 something career back up QB starting for him in 2019.

[T0mShane]

As Dom mentioned, why would you trade a 27-year old all-pro who’s locked up to a relatively cheap deal? 

[PepPep]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

As Dom mentioned, why would you trade a 27-year old all-pro who’s locked up to a relatively cheap deal? 

13mil in cap space and a chance to draft a top tier QB without giving up additional draft capital. As mentioned. 

[T0mShane]

Just now, PepPep said:

13mil in cap space and a chance to draft a top tier QB without giving up additional draft capital. As mentioned. 

And why would they do that with the #6 pick and not, say, the #3 pick? They’re going to lose Peterson for a pick that could realistically get shut out of the top four QBs? 

[Lupz27]

Just now, T0mShane said:

As Dom mentioned, why would you trade a 27-year old all-pro who’s locked up to a relatively cheap deal? 

Because when he is 29, and declined to the point of uselessness, but wants 20 million per for what he has done not what he will do, this will coincide with your 1st round QB going into his 3rd year when he will most likely if not a bust finally be ready to win, so why not give away Peterson now when he will do nothing to help you win while you go through 2 years of growing pains with a young QB?

Just thinking out loud with this logic not saying it’s correct.

[CanadaSteve]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

Jet fans need to stop changing history when it comes to Lattimore last year.  He had
chronic hamstring issues throughout his whole career at Ohio St.  And then when he
ran ONE 40 yard dash at the Combine he pulled up lame.  Only a liar would now say
they wanted to draft him with all of those injury concerns (Dee Milliner anyone?)

Hey dude, these are Jets fans, the best hine-sight draftees in the NFL!

[Jack Straw]

10 minutes ago, PepPep said:

I'm just saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat. 

Maye and Adams look like legit starters AT WORST at the safety position. No, we didn't get a QB or CB, but if we brought in Cousins and Peterson, whats' the difference? Those positions are now addressed, and by proven veterans in their prime...not wait and see rookies. Somebody has to get paid, right? Actually, EVERY good player will have to get paid...eventually. So it's really not about allocation of $$$, as long as you're not in cap hell. 

So I get your point, but you can win (and win big) without having to draft your QB, CB, Pass Rusher and LT. Or you can do a little bit of both, sign a QB (although this is rare), trade for a CB, draft a Pass Rusher and or LT.   

I get your point as well, but consider this: at the end of 2016, the Jets dumped complete dead weight in Fitzpatrick, Decker, Revis, David Harris and many others, which in and of itself was addition by subtraction. To your point, we added good players at SS and FS and got the best QB play anyone could have expected in McCown and what did it get us? The same exact thing as the year before: a 5-11 record. 

The key takeaway here is that even if we hit homeruns at positions like SS and FS, it doesn't translate into wins. Deshaun Watson was 3-3 as a starter for the Texans. Without him starting, the Texans were 1-9. A pass-rusher, CB, WR, LT aren't going to impact your win-loss record as much as QB, but they'll get you more wins than good a SS/FS, which is why we should be taking calculated risks at the top of the draft to acquire talent at these positions. 

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Because when he is 29, and declined to the point of uselessness, but wants 20 million per for what he has done not what he will do, this will coincide with your 1st round QB going into his 3rd year when he will most likely if not a bust finally be ready to win, so why not give away Peterson now when he will do nothing to help you win while you go through 2 years of growing pains with a young QB?

Just thinking out loud with this logic not saying it’s correct.

I don’t know. In that scenario, you’d dump Peterson for a package of draft picks, no? 

[Lupz27]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t know. In that scenario, you’d dump Peterson for a package of draft picks, no? 

No in that scenario you dumped Peterson to move up and draft that young QB, if you wait till 15 to pick that QB odds probably go up on bust rate?

[Pac]

6 hours ago, KRL said:

Jet fans need to stop changing history when it comes to Lattimore last year.  He had
chronic hamstring issues throughout his whole career at Ohio St.  And then when he
ran ONE 40 yard dash at the Combine he pulled up lame.  Only a liar would now say
they wanted to draft him with all of those injury concerns (Dee Milliner anyone?)

You know better..  what these guys do is look at the previous years breakout stars we could have drafted and use that as evidence of incompetence.

I don't hear anyone whining about not drafting McCaffrey, Jon Ross, or Mike Williams..  all impact pozition players selected in the top 10 last year that we passed on.

[jgb]

It would be nice to have a player that fans of other teams have actually heard of.