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Should Jets target Jimmy Graham?  

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LAD_Brooklyn

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Jets should go after Jimmy Graham and fold away from ASJ. Yes Graham is an older vet but that's exactly what a young QB (assuming we draft one) needs. Graham like ASJ isn't a good blocker but at least he's a great receiver (probably only good at this point). He's pretty much informed the Hawks he's skipping town. We should definitely be all over this especially if we can't sign Cousins. Our QB whether it's Allen, Mayfield or Rosen can use the luxury of Graham as that $30 mil for Cousins could definitely ad them in their development regardless if he only has 2 (or 3) good years left in him.

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Jetsplayer21

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1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

Neal Sterling needs an opportunity. 

Graham is definitely a giant upgrade over Jenkins. I like sterling. It’s a shame we only got to see him play because Jenkins was hurt. Last yr was the yr to play some unknowns and see what we had. Two tights are never a bad thing. Ask the pats 

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we just spent the past season getting rid of flotsam and starting to rebuild with younger and cheaper talent.  We're nowhere near competing at a high level in the near future and you want to bring in a 31 year old TE who will want to get paid?

No thanks.

 

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12 minutes ago, peebag said:

we just spent the past season getting rid of flotsam and starting to rebuild with younger and cheaper talent.  We're nowhere near competing at a high level in the near future and you want to bring in a 31 year old TE who will want to get paid?

No thanks.

 

Who doesn’t want to get paid? ?.” We are nowhere near competing at a high level “ then why are we looking to throw a ton of $$ for a qb for only a 3 yr deal ? Graham is a huge upgrade over Jenkins ( Who also wants to get paid ) signing graham could also make a guy like cousins want to come here. Only 1-2 tight ends get multi yr deals at guarenteed $$. So age is not a big deal vs what he just did yr before, since they are playing on 1-2 yr deals anyway.

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LAD_Brooklyn

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17 minutes ago, peebag said:

we just spent the past season getting rid of flotsam and starting to rebuild with younger and cheaper talent.  We're nowhere near competing at a high level in the near future and you want to bring in a 31 year old TE who will want to get paid?

No thanks.

 

This has nothing to do with competing but more so equipping weapons or a security blanket for our rookie QB. As for his age, yes!! I rather a 31 year old TE working with what supposedly my franchise 21 year old QB. TE is one of those positions in which it rare for the younger TEs to produce. Tony Gonzalez, Gates, Gronk, Aaron, probably only Reed (Was) was the only outlier to shine as a rookie. So therefore there's no youngster who anyone could consider drafting that can shine year one. 

Also I understand this youth movement, but just think about your kids. Yes there's things you rather equip them with so they can have up until they age. But there's other things you must pony up for that'll be short lived however crucial for their development. 

 

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1 minute ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

This has nothing to do with competing but more so equipping weapons or a security blanket for our rookie QB. As for his age, yes!! I rather a 31 year old TE working with what supposedly my franchise 21 year old QB. TE is one of those positions in which it rare for the younger TEs to produce. Tony Gonzalez, Gates, Gronk, Aaron, probably only Reed (Was) was the only outlier to shine as a rookie. So therefore there's no youngster who anyone could consider drafting that can shine year one. 

Also I understand this youth movement, but just think about your kids. Yes there's things you rather equip them with so they can have up until they age. But there's other things you must pony up for that'll be short lived however crucial for their development. 

 

If it makes you feel any better I agree with you. He's a 31 year-old TE, not a 33 year-old RB or CB. If he's healthy he'll be fine for these first 2 guaranteed seasons, followed by year-to-year team decisions on him for however much longer his contract length is.

With a rookie QB likely in the mix, I'm all for getting him help at receiver. Think we can wait a year at WR with 3-4 guys that - despite questions about each one individually - can collectively make a good-enough group short term (Anderson, Enunwa, Kearse, Hansen, Stewart ...plus past untapped "potential" types given last chances (D.Smith, Peake) and any other late round/UDFA we can take a chance on before deciding on any other major investment(s) at the position.

But the team needs a TE, and both his competence and the attention he draws can only help other WRs as well as the rookie QB charged with throwing to them all. 

Sky wouldn't be the limit with any offer I'd make, as he'll garner a lot of interest around the league, but you have to kick the tires to see what gets a deal done (if he's even willing to come here before we draft that rookie QB, and admittedly that may be a tough sell for even a good GM, which we don't have anyway).  

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26 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

No thank you. Too old and too much $$. I can see him reuniting with Drew Brees in New Orleans.

Uh, Brees is old. Why is he an ok investment for a QB who's plenty successful without him, but stupid for a team that should be putting instantly-competent receiving options all around a rookie QB who needs it far more than Drew Brees?

Depends on his price. Of all the things we should be spending on, it's to make a rookie's transition to the pros easier. OL is a must, even if it means the team swallowing its pride on prior OL investments, and there's a giant hole at TE that's just begging for a good, experienced weapon. 

He's 31 not 41, and at that it's not like he's a RB with 3500 NFL carries under his belt. TEs play at a plenty high level into their mid-30s, and we just need him to be good for 2 seasons (more than that is bonus). After y2 he's year-to-year, and next April we ought to be able to draft someone else to take over in 2020 if Graham starts to visibly drop off physically.

The problem we have right now is we have nobody so, as much as I'd prefer solving any position via the draft, it's impractical to head into the draft with no TE (forcing our hand in round 2, whether the value is there or not) when we may need that pick to move up for a QB anyway. 

Other thing is a high priced TE, who turns 32 midseason, isn't so "too much $$" like premiere positions we should be filling through the early parts of the draft. These cheaper positions like TE are precisely the ones to fill in FA so we can devote the early draft rounds to expensive FA positions. This means sign TE, G, C, RT, S, ILB through FA. I'd include RB in that list as well if their shelf life wasn't typically so short. QB, EDGE, LT, and high $ burner speed positions like CB, WR through the draft. That's how you make this mountain of cap room fill as many positions as possible. #moneyball lol ;) 

Doesn't have to specifically be Graham, but see what the numbers are for him and the other better FA TEs. The drop-off in $ from high end to low end veteran TE isn't much, unlike with premiere positions.

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Maybe give Jordan Leggett an opportunity??? We drafted him for a reason. Maybe we can let ASJ walk and draft another TE and let him and Leggett figure out who will start. 

Signing Graham is great when you're the Seahawks and you're in your window of opportunity. The Jets focus should be on QB and offensive line. That's top priority over any other position. Flesh out the rest of this team through the draft. 

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1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

Maybe give Jordan Leggett an opportunity??? We drafted him for a reason. Maybe we can let ASJ walk and draft another TE and let him and Leggett figure out who will start. 

Signing Graham is great when you're the Seahawks and you're in your window of opportunity. The Jets focus should be on QB and offensive line. That's top priority over any other position. Flesh out the rest of this team through the draft. 

OK, and if Leggett is terrible and there's talent in rounds 2-4 at other current/near-future needs, that we simply can't pass up on?

My man, you really think about all the positions this team needs to upgrade. You want to burn our limited high picks - after round 1 - on a TE? And what if we need one or both of those 2nd/3rd rounders to move up for a QB in round 1? Force-feed Leggett or a later round rookie like Leggett into the lineup?

I'm thrilled any time we can fill a position with a late rounder, but advance predicting that will happen (with immediate success, of course) - when a rookie QB should be provided with a bit better than those odds - isn't the best plan for ensuring his early success.

It'd be one thing if Leggett looked really good as a rookie and was getting progressively better as the season went on, and was fully healthy. He was a late round pick who missed his entire rookie season and is coming off knee surgery. With our cap situation, such a gamble is unnecessary (especially since TE is a relatively low dollar position for veterans). Hey, if Leggett turns into an asset, balls. But I wouldn't expect it to happen, and we have to leave open the possibility that we might need multiple picks after round 1 to move up from #6 to #4 or higher.

I get what you're saying and agree on the other side of the ball. But on offense, I'm good with loading up around him to give him the best chances possible. That isn't going to be from relying upon Jordan Leggett - who won't have played a full football game in some 2.5 years before his surgery & rehab - or forcing our hands to draft a TE earlier even if crazy value falls to us at another position (like a guard to take over for Winters next year, a center if we end up going with an older temporary solution there to allow such grooming), or whatever else might happen that we can't predict a month in advance.

Here's the other elephant sized reality: Macc's going to spend this money this year to save his skin anyway. I don't want to scrimp with long shot late rounders around our 1st round QB because we're saving it to overpay for Claiborne, a Mo replacement, Demario Davis, or some other FA coming off his lone good season, who's a prime candidate for being a FA bust.

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57 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

No thanks. Sign Trey Burton instead, please! 

I'll give you props for dropping a name. As many have said no to ASJ along with Graham. That has me thinking they want to go back to the Gailey era and just not bring in a TE at all. Probably I should have done a better job with the poll but until then Im kinda spooked about what we want. 

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1 hour ago, peebag said:

we just spent the past season getting rid of flotsam and starting to rebuild with younger and cheaper talent.  We're nowhere near competing at a high level in the near future and you want to bring in a 31 year old TE who will want to get paid?

No thanks.

 

Amen.

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12 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

I'll give you props for dropping a name. As many have said no to ASJ along with Graham. That has me thinking they want to go back to the Gailey era and just not bring in a TE at all. Probably I should have done a better job with the poll but until then Im kinda spooked about what we want. 

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48 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Maybe give Jordan Leggett an opportunity??? We drafted him for a reason. Maybe we can let ASJ walk and draft another TE and let him and Leggett figure out who will start. 

Signing Graham is great when you're the Seahawks and you're in your window of opportunity. The Jets focus should be on QB and offensive line. That's top priority over any other position. Flesh out the rest of this team through the draft. 

Need to have a reasonable player in the fold before the draft.  That is the #1 job for the BAP/board loving GM.  Leggett has not played yet and his injury was lingering and there were times it seemed like they thought he was dogging it.  He is a mid-round pick with zero catches that didn't light up camp.  An opportunity does not equate to being handed a job.  IMO, most likely they sign Tomlinson and get bid up on ASJ.  

Like almost every player in the league, I want to know Graham's price before I decide.  He is a red zone monster and that can be a big security blanket for whatever QB we trot out there.  They need some playmakers on O and Graham might be one direction.  Not a place I would spend if we get Robinson or Watkins, but might be a cheaper option for a tier 1 offensive weapon.

Prediction: Lucky Whitehead makes some noise in camp.

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3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

We have a richard sherman thread.  a patrick pederson thread.  Now a graham thread.  Can we combine these all into one thread and label it "Stupid Idea Thread".

Can you add my "Why we should sign Matt Simms to a long-term guaranteed deal" thread into the mix?

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8 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

We have a richard sherman thread.  a patrick pederson thread.  Now a graham thread.  Can we combine these all into one thread and label it "Stupid Idea Thread".

Patrick Peterson is the opposite of a bad target, he’s just completely unattainable. 

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2 hours ago, SenorGato said:

No thanks. Sign Trey Burton instead, please! 

This. Every single Fanspeak Mock offseason I've done, He's been one of my targets. Sneaky good upgrade on ASJ and comparable pricetags. If I have to choose one of ASJ or Graham, give me ASJ. The 2018 version is not going to be worth what he's going to (rightly) demand.

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With the #Eagles stocked at TE and dealing with cap considerations, free agent Trey Burton is expected to leave Philly. He had 16 teams check in on his status this week, and he’ll have a strong market.

 
 
 
Trey Burton, likely the top tight end on the market, could command more than $6 million annually, per source.
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Just to address the "he's too old" argument.

  • At age 34, Antonio Gates had 69 catches for 821 yards and 12 TDs.
  • At age 32, Tony Gonzalez had 96 catches for 1,058 yards and 10 TDs.  
  • At age 36, Tony Gonzalez had 93 catches for 930 yards and 8 TDs.
  • At age 35, Shannon Sharpe had 62 catches for 770 yards and 8 TDs.

So when you start arguing that 31 is too old for a Tight End.  No.  It's not.  Maybe he has slowed down, but not just because he's over 30.

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27 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

So 725-8 with zero blocking for 10 mil

357-3 • 2017

110-0 • 2016

77-0 • 2015

345-2 • 2014

388-2 • 2013

359-3 • 2012

815-5 • 2011

687-5 • 2010

I’ll take 725-8 in a ******* heartbeat. Numbers like that from a TE helpout a rookie QB a lot and he can block enough.

 

 

 

 

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