If Joe Klecko is Jets all time best defensive player, who is 2nd

[Sarge4Tide]

Most, not all, but most Jets fans seem to agree Joe Klecko was our all time best defensive player, if that's the case, who was 2nd best? (Check all the players on the above list you think are legitimate contenders)

[HawkeyeJet]

He's not.  Revis is.  Anyone that says otherwise is letting other factors cloud their judgement.  

[CTM]

7 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

He's not.  Revis is.  Anyone that says otherwise is letting other factors cloud their judgement.  

yep, Gastineau was legit elite too and closest to Revis

[Villain The Foe]

Mevi$

[Grandy]

Revis is #1, arguably the best to ever play his position.

[T0mShane]

To the guy who voted for Larry Grantham, please PM me. I’m curious to find out how you survived the Lusitania.

[zonajetfan]

Revis is clearly the most talented defensive player to ever wear the Jets uniform. It's really not even that close. He played at a time where all the rules are slanted towards the offensive players and yet he flourished in shutting down the very best receivers. He played the most demanding and hawkeye'd position regarding the officials. The NFL has become a pass heavy league as we all know and Revis was truly the only shutdown corner during that time to be able to do it consistently for several years till his ACL injury. He was a special talent who knew the position and his opponents better than anyone. He wasn't close to the fastest player, yet in his hayday, never was beaten deep. Transcendent talent that comes once in a while, lucky for all of us he played for the Jets during his best years.

[Larz]

If I had to pick.... 

1 play = John Abraham 

1 game = Joe 

1 season = Gastineau 

1 career = Revis 

[Sonny Werblin]

I'm annoyed that CBs Aaron Glenn and Bobby Jackson are not listed. They are the best after Revis.

As far as best D player, I'm not sure what that means. If you mean best at his position relative to the rest of the league, it is clearly Revis first and probably Gastineau second. If you mean which guy I'd pick first if building a D, I'd go Klecko and then Philbin.

 

[Sonny Werblin]

29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

To the guy who voted for Larry Grantham, please PM me. I’m curious to find out how you survived the Lusitania.

The best D the Jets have ever had was that late 60s D. They were devastating. Unfortunately, team success took a back seat to the marketing of Broadway Joe.

[Untouchable]

Despite becoming a slack bitch late in his career, Revis is hands down the best defensive player in Jets history.

Hell, if it wasn’t for Namath’s Super Bowl win, Revis would be the best overall player in the history of the franchise.

[Obrien2Toon]

16 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I'm annoyed that CBs Aaron Glenn and Bobby Jackson are not listed. They are the best after Revis.

As far as best D player, I'm not sure what that means. If you mean best at his position relative to the rest of the league, it is clearly Revis first and probably Gastineau second. If you mean which guy I'd pick first if building a D, I'd go Klecko and then Philbin.

 

Yeah Glenn is probably the most underrated Jet ever 

Glenn > Revis

always felt that

[Joe W. Namath]

Klecko is by far the best def player we ever had.  Gastineu is 2.

[glenn31]

21 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Yeah Glenn is probably the most underrated Jet ever 

Glenn > Revis

always felt that

Aaron Glenn jumping on something thrown to the sidelines was pretty much insta-points for the NYJ. I've seen Revis get hawked by QBs on sideline picks, and by QBs I mean Rivers and Palmer.

In fact, if my memory serves me correctly Revis had 1 pick 6 as a Jet, against Miami on a Monday night.

My screenname is glenn31, you know who my #1 DB in NYJ history is.

 

[LIJetsFan]

Revis was excellent while at the top of his game but how long was that really?  Long enough?  Others players played better longer.      

[ljr]

OMG ... Revis b*ll licking in this thread is disgusting.

how are you defining "all time best" ?

for 1 season with this team I will give that to him. ... Although his final "I'm afraid Brother Bluto!" season with us was equally as pathetic ... The NY Sack exchange had several years of "all time best" worthiness for both Klecko & Gastineau.

John Abraham had a season or 2 at his peak as well

Are we including their career's elsewhere ? ... Let's throw in Lott

i had heard those 60's teams were amazing on D ... Unfortunately, other than some highlights & articles I'm unable to compare.

IMO, mo Lewis, Shaun Ellis, Marty Lyons, David Harris all did more with the NYJ career-wise

 

[Thai Jet]

Gastineau was one of my favorite Jets to watch on the D. Right there behind Klecko.

[detectivekimble]

I don't know know why we're always ripping our greats or pitting them against each other.  A lot of these guys were ******* great and just impressive to watch.

And on paper, a Jets all-time defense is pretty sick.  You can easily name legit HoF talent after HoF talent.  Too bad you can't say the same about the offense.

[HawkeyeJet]

31 minutes ago, ljr said:

OMG ... Revis b*ll licking in this thread is disgusting.

how are you defining "all time best" ?

for 1 season with this team I will give that to him. ... Although his final "I'm afraid Brother Bluto!" season with us was equally as pathetic ... The NY Sack exchange had several years of "all time best" worthiness for both Klecko & Gastineau.

John Abraham had a season or 2 at his peak as well

Are we including their career's elsewhere ? ... Let's throw in Lott

i had heard those 60's teams were amazing on D ... Unfortunately, other than some highlights & articles I'm unable to compare.

IMO, mo Lewis, Shaun Ellis, Marty Lyons, David Harris all did more with the NYJ career-wise

 

It's not ball licking.  It's simply not being petty.

There is one Jet defender who is in the conversation for the best ever at his position.  It's him.  It's not really even much of a debate when comparing only Jets.  That isn't a knock on any of the other guys.

If the question who gets the career achievement award, Klecko probably gets the nod.  At each players peak, Revis was the better player.

[Untouchable]

1 hour ago, ljr said:

OMG ... Revis b*ll licking in this thread is disgusting.

how are you defining "all time best" ?

for 1 season with this team I will give that to him. ... Although his final "I'm afraid Brother Bluto!" season with us was equally as pathetic ... The NY Sack exchange had several years of "all time best" worthiness for both Klecko & Gastineau.

John Abraham had a season or 2 at his peak as well

Are we including their career's elsewhere ? ... Let's throw in Lott

i had heard those 60's teams were amazing on D ... Unfortunately, other than some highlights & articles I'm unable to compare.

IMO, mo Lewis, Shaun Ellis, Marty Lyons, David Harris all did more with the NYJ career-wise

 

You’ve gotta be sh*ttin me

For basically half a decade you could make the argument that the guy played the CB position at a higher level than anyone in the history of the sport.

Him becoming a lazy, fat assh0le out of the blue doesn’t change that.

Revis is going to the HOF. Period. Very possibly on the first ballot. 

Guys like Lewis, Jones, Ellis, Harris, etc don’t have a chance in hell.

And as much as I hate to say it, Klecko probably doesn’t have much of a chance either, even though he deserves it in my mind.

[Patriot Killa]

Klecko definitely deserves to be in the HOF. He was very versatile and dominate. With that said...to let your hate of the situations with Revis cloud your judgement is PETTY.

Almost Bryce Petty at that.

Revis is one of the best corners to ever play the game at his highest level. He played 6 years at an elite level and had good year or two before it was all said and done. Revis’s 2009 season was nothing short of the best CB performance ever .. AND it was in the beginning of the passing dominate era of the NFL. Considering all things, Darrelle Revis was the most technically sound corner EVER. And to people who don’t say he was fast..uhm..bro ran a 4.3 in his combine 40. He was plenty fast when he was young.

[BurnleyJet]

Revis played great between 08 - 11. After he blow his knee out he was good but not great. Then his return he was a dog.

How does three perhaps four years of great play make you the best? To me he's not. His entire career is based round one elite shut down season, in which he failed to make DPOY.

Joe was not a quitter, after the last two years here I would not put him in the ring of honour, let alone Canton. 

[Patriot Killa]

3 hours ago, glenn31 said:

Aaron Glenn jumping on something thrown to the sidelines was pretty much insta-points for the NYJ. I've seen Revis get hawked by QBs on sideline picks, and by QBs I mean Rivers and Palmer.

In fact, if my memory serves me correctly Revis had 1 pick 6 as a Jet, against Miami on a Monday night.

My screenname is glenn31, you know who my #1 DB in NYJ history is.

 

Tampa Bay pick 6 in 09’.

[Fantasy Island]

Revis didn't get a lot of INT's.  He also played the hammy card when he got beat.  Uncle Sean taught him how to hold out for more money than he was worth.  He beat up a defenseless dude while trying to score drugs.  He made over a million a game to stand there and watch WR's run by him.

Mevi$ was a greedy **** who exploited our piss poor FO.

[Patriot Killa]

53 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Revis didn't get a lot of INT's.  He also played the hammy card when he got beat.  Uncle Sean taught him how to hold out for more money than he was worth.  He beat up a defenseless dude while trying to score drugs.  He made over a million a game to stand there and watch WR's run by him.

Mevi$ was a greedy **** who exploited our piss poor FO.

Revis didn’t get a lot of interceptions because not a lot of QB’s would throw his way after the 09’ season. 1.) Because they were always covered and 2.) Because Revis would pick them clean if given the opportunity.

While most of Revis’s impact did not show up on the stat sheet, he did the dirty work in an era of which passing is usually a 60-40 split in playcalling and the wide receivers are given a lot of help by the NFL rulebook. He locked down dominate wide receivers night in and night out and held TO, Moss, Andre Johnson, Megatron, Ocho, Reggie Wayne, Jackson, Dez, Colston, Steve Smith, etc, etc. 5 or 6 of these guys are HOF WR’s or will be. Very few CB’s can play man to man every single snap by themselves and produce those results. Here is the 2009 season alone. This is greatness that you are denying because of his personality and effort.

Shortly after he held Calvin Johnson to 1 catch for 13 yards. The most dominant WR during that time..to 1 catch..for a measly 13 yards. His pass deflections from 2009-2011 combined were insane. 52 PD’s. 31 of them coming from 09’ and 21 of them comin in 2011.

Further more, I don’t think Revis beat up anyone for “drugs” ... I think if anything Revis let someone get under his skin and his ego is so thinly layered, that he lashed out. I read every article on that situation and not once said drugs come back as a factor in this situation or at all to be quite honest. Hamstring injury? Sure, he probably played that off because as previously mentioned..his ego is very large. I’ll give you that one. “He made over a million a game to let WR’s blow by him” ...OK that’s probably about a 50-50 split on faults being as it was our organization that gave him the money and his effort that didn’t live up to the money being made. Again, I feel like a lot of people are using emotion and lazy interception stats to overshadow his impact and greatness on the league for a little over half a decade and I firmly believe that the instances you suggested for why you don’t think he is one of the top two Jets defensive players ever really validate my belief.

Revis was/is an ahole. Definitely confirmed. Revis is very greedy and egotistical. Definitely confirmed. There are reasons to not like Revis as a person. Confirmed. 

But he is(in my eyes) in the top two best players our defense has ever seen. Just my opinion. No one has to agree but my initial point being .. It’s OK to think another player was the best/top two D player in Jet history. But it seems like a lot of fellas here who aren’t saying Revis are trying to judge it based off of emotion and that’s just not the way to view it.

[pajet]

Loved Gastineau as a kid, but looking back couldn't put him as the second best because of all of the theatrics.   Wish I could rate the pre 80's players intelligently, but I can't.   Abraham never showed up when it counted and wasn't hear long enough.    loved the 80s lbs so included mehl and would through Buttle in as other.   Obviously Revis.   Also would consider Aaron Glenn as other.   the rest good players, but never seemed to make a huge impact.

[pajet]

3 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

Revis was excellent while at the top of his game but how long was that really?  Long enough?  Others players played better longer.      

This

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, pajet said:

This

Agreed that he didn’t last as long as say...Charles Woodson or Champ Bailey but I believe his impact during that span was just as large.

[pajet]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Agreed that he didn’t last as long as say...Charles Woodson or Champ Bailey but I believe his impact during that span was just as large.

There is no doubt that Revis' impact at his peak was insane.   he was a huge part of our winning years....that being said if your asking me who is the 2nd best jet defender ever, I'm considering top play over an extended period of time.   I'd probably give Revis second, but won't put him above Klecko.   The sack exchange was incredible over an extended period of time and klecko played at a high level well beyond the sack exchange years.  

[Patriot Killa]

6 minutes ago, pajet said:

There is no doubt that Revis' impact at his peak was insane.   he was a huge part of our winning years....that being said if your asking me who is the 2nd best jet defender ever, I'm considering top play over an extended period of time.   I'd probably give Revis second, but won't put him above Klecko.   The sack exchange was incredible over an extended period of time and klecko played at a high level well beyond the sack exchange years.  

Klecko was very versatile and could play any where on the D-line. I think it’s a huge toss up and am honestly confident in saying Revis and Klecko definitely are our two best defensive players ever. How you order them is however you order them, but I definitely agree. Revis/Klecko are a top the list. Klecko is a lost name in the HOF discussion and that really sucks. I want to see them do the right thing one year and finally induct him.

[pajet]

2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Klecko was very versatile and could play any where on the D-line. I think it’s a huge toss up and am honestly confident in saying Revis and Klecko definitely are our two best defensive players ever. How you order them is however you order them, but I definitely agree. Revis/Klecko are a top the list. Klecko is a lost name in the HOF discussion and that really sucks. I want to see them do the right thing one year and finally induct him.

The only reason Klecko is not in the HOF is because Jets...lol

[pajet]

12 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Klecko was very versatile and could play any where on the D-line. I think it’s a huge toss up and am honestly confident in saying Revis and Klecko definitely are our two best defensive players ever. How you order them is however you order them, but I definitely agree. Revis/Klecko are a top the list. Klecko is a lost name in the HOF discussion and that really sucks. I want to see them do the right thing one year and finally induct him.

One more thing re: revis....and I absolutely agree, you can rate them 1/2 based on personal preference....but you can't completely discount his douchbaggery.   Its part of his legacy and that's on him.   You can throw out his second stint if you want bc he certainly was not the same player.    However IIRC, his holdout before the '10 season, he came in out of shape, got hurt and wasn't the same impact player until around week 6 or 7.   That definatly impacts my opinion of him on the field and where I would rank him.

[Patriot Killa]

19 minutes ago, pajet said:

The only reason Klecko is not in the HOF is because Jets...lol

Exactly. Pro Football Reference doesn’t even show his 20.5 sack season in 81’. I don’t recall when the league started keeping track of stats but I’m sure they did in 81’. It’s a shame he is so overlooked. Think Gastineau bested that a few years later with 22 sacks in one season. I think he deserves a HOF look too. He played well for years. 5 time pro bowler and 3 time All Pro.

Our D-line was really special and I don’t think the Sack Exchange gets enough credit. Not many guys have went over 20 sacks in one season and the ones that have will/or already HOF players. LT, JJ Watt, etc. 

so why not our guys? Because Jets lol.

They had no choice but to put Curtis Martin and Namath in the Hall. They made storied careers for themselves. No one else has made it though.

[Kleckineau]

Klecko #1 of course.

Need a survey for greediest of all time. Who would that be? (hint ate himself out of the league)

Gastineau may not have been the best but was undoubtedly the most exciting to watch.

[Jetscreen]

If this thread is being answered by the participants honestly, it's Darrelle Revis all the way. He was, undoubtedly, the very best defensive player the Jets have ever had.