AFC East a lot weaker

[Jetster]

I have no idea what's going to happen at the start of free agency but I can tell you without a doubt if the Jets win the Kirk Cousins lottery they easily pass the Fins & Bills in the AFC East. Talk about question marks, the Bills at this moment have Pederman, and the Fins have a guy that I can't I remember the last time he played in Tannyhill & they traded a stud WR in Landry (That doesn't make them stronger). 

I thought we completely outplayed both teams in the 2nd meetings last year, spanking Buffalo (who made the playoffs), and up 14 on Miami in Miami, before a huge defensive letdown vs a backup QB. We have REALLY YOUNG players, while the Bills & Fins are still rolling with star players getting on in years. Suh, Wake (going on 37), the Bills Oline has some years on them & right now they have no experienced QB. With 100 million, and 3 picks in the top 50, I think the Jets with Josh McCown at QB puts them ahead of the Bills & Fins.

The Pats will have a lot of changes too. Gronk a year older, Edelman coming back from a bad injury, hopefully they lose their LT anchor in Solder, Dion Lewis will be gone. Macc really has a chance to turn around our fortunes, we've got some young players going into their 2nd, 3rd & 4th years here. If Macc can solidify the Left Guard spot, and Center, get Michel, Guice or Chubb in the 2nd, resign Clairborne & sign Gaines or Trumaine Johnson or maybe draft Ward (if they sign Cousins), and get some pass rush. It's certainly not impossible to do this in one offseason with the capital they have. I'll remain optimistic until after free agency & the draft. Other than a Cousins signing (29), I think Macc & Bowles continue the youth movement everywhere else. NO OLD FREE AGENTS, unless they are CHEAP! I have no problem filling spaces for short money, short contracts in the 2nd wave of free agency to improve depth. 

[Patriot Killa]

We aren’t getting Kirk Cousins...

[Jetster]

21 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

We aren’t getting Kirk Cousins...

I'm still ok with that. Luckily there seems to be a sh*tload of choices this year from Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, Lauletta, White. I'm all in on Cousins, but if we don't land him at least we're in a draft that gives us a CHANCE to find a QB. Either way it will be really exciting. Like I said, if they draft a QB, they'll probably resign McCown and if Macc nails the draft & free agency, the Jets can still compete. They competed all of 2017 except in Denver & when McCown went down. If we go to the draft for a QB, I wouldn't mind double dipping & dumping Petty & Hackenberg. If they trade back at some point & gain another pick, I could see them drafting Lauletta or White if they dropped to the 3rd round?

[Patriot Killa]

13 minutes ago, Jetster said:

I'm still ok with that. Luckily there seems to be a sh*tload of choices this year from Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, Lauletta, White. I'm all in on Cousins, but if we don't land him at least we're in a draft that gives us a CHANCE to find a QB. Either way it will be really exciting. Like I said, if they draft a QB, they'll probably resign McCown and if Macc nails the draft & free agency, the Jets can still compete. They competed all of 2017 except in Denver & when McCown went down. If we go to the draft for a QB, I wouldn't mind double dipping & dumping Petty & Hackenberg. If they trade back at some point & gain another pick, I could see them drafting Lauletta or White if they dropped to the 3rd round?

I’m not trying to dump on your positivity because truthfully this board needs more of it .. but we aren’t getting a difference maker at QB unless we trade up imo. If we land one of the top 2-3 and we nail the draft as you mentioned..I do believe we will be in pretty decent shape given that this same roster did almost sweep the fish and split with the Bills last year. So I agree that with the right moves, we can accomplish the things you are talking about. But we have to do what we have to do in order to get our guy. 

[JetsFanatic]

46 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

We aren’t getting Kirk Cousins...

Why not? He is only 29, he isn't 38.  How mant QBs of his calibur get to become Free Agents? You think he is just going to sign with the Vikings because they currently have the most talent of the teams bidding for him? I don't . The Jets have a ton of cap space with three picks in the top 49.  They can come along way in this offseason and easily become Super Bowl contenders while Cousins is still in his prime.  The Vikings are currently the most talented team, but lets not make them the 1985 Bears.  They were lucky to beat the Saints on afluke pass and got destryed by the Eagles. I believe Cousins will play free agency for all it's worth.

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Why not? He is only 29, he isn't 38.  How mant QBs of his calibur get to become Free Agents? You think he is just going to sign with the Vikings because they currently have the most talent of the teams bidding for him? I don't . The Jets have a ton of cap space wnd three picks in the top 49.  They can come along way in this offseason and easily become Super Bowl contenders while Cousins is still in his prime.  The Vikings are currently the most talented team, but I believe Cousins will play free agency for all it's worth.

You are fooling yourself if you think he’s coming here. I’ll be the first one to tell you that.

[JetsFanatic]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

You are fooling yourself if you think he’s coming here. I’ll be the first one to tell you that.

I'm not saying he is coming here. but I don't think he is automatically signing with the Vikings. He'd be an idiot to not weigh all his options. Not many QBs of his calibur get to Free Agency. 

[Patriot Killa]

9 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I'm not saying he is coming here. but I don't think he is automatically signing with the Vikings. He'd be an idiot to not weigh all his options. Not many QBs of his calibur get to Free Agency. 

He’s getting a bunch of money either way it goes lmao. He already has 2 years worth of large guaranteed money from the Redskins. I’m sure he’s content with the money the Vikings offer, regardless. 

Now tell me, if you are a 29 year old QB in your prime and you already have boatloads of money but no winning record....where are you going to go?

To the team that just went to the NFC Championship Game with Case F-n Keenum for 91 million guaranteed or the 5-11 dumpster fire Jets for a few million extra?  Weighing his options is fine..but we all know what’s going to happen. 

[Jetster]

1 minute ago, JetsFanatic said:

Why not? He is only 29, he isn't 38.  How mant QBs of his calibur get to become Free Agents? You think he is just going to sign with the Vikings because they currently have the most talent of the teams bidding for him? I don't . The Jets have a ton of cap spcae wnd three picks in the top 49.  They can come along way in this offseason and easily becaome Super Bowl contenders while Cousins is still in his prime.  The Vikings are currently the most talented team, but I believe Cousins will play free agency for all it's worth.

This is what I'm hoping. It almost seems that guys like Adam Shein & Collin Cowherd are putting the Vikings in the Super Bowl if they sign Cousins, lol, but it's also like saying the Vikings are SO GOOD that Cousins will just be along for the ride similar to Manning in Denver. The difference is the Broncos defense was much better than the Vikings. They're good, not great. They beat up on Chicago, a Rogersless Green Bay, the Vikings split with Lions, got whooped by the Steelers, lost to Carolina, should have lost to the Saints (sorry, f*cking lucky miracle win), and got their azzes handed to them in Philly 38-7!!!. Nick Foles- 26-33, 352 yards & 3TDs! Sorry, there is no way on gods green earth that the Denver Broncos defense in 2015 gives those numbers up in a playoff game. 

[jetsons]

27 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I'm not saying he is coming here. but I don't think he is automatically signing with the Vikings. He'd be an idiot to not weigh all his options. Not many QBs of his calibur get to Free Agency. 

Okay, He'll consider the Broncos then.

[Patriot Killa]

18 minutes ago, Jetster said:

This is what I'm hoping. It almost seems that guys like Adam Shein & Collin Cowherd are putting the Vikings in the Super Bowl if they sign Cousins, lol, but it's also like saying the Vikings are SO GOOD that Cousins will just be along for the ride similar to Manning in Denver. The difference is the Broncos defense was much better than the Vikings. They're good, not great. They beat up on Chicago, a Rogersless Green Bay, the Vikings split with Lions, got whooped by the Steelers, lost to Carolina, should have lost to the Saints (sorry, f*cking lucky miracle win), and got their azzes handed to them in Philly 38-7!!!. Nick Foles- 26-33, 352 yards & 3TDs! Sorry, there is no way on gods green earth that the Denver Broncos defense in 2015 gives those numbers up in a playoff game. 

Continue to talk yourself into the possibility just to be let down in the end. I tried to help you lol.??‍♂️

[JetsFanatic]

23 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

He’s getting a bunch of money either way it goes lmao. He already has 2 years worth of large guaranteed money from the Redskins. I’m sure he’s content with the money the Vikings offer, regardless. 

Now tell me, if you are a 29 year old QB in your prime and you already have boatloads of money but no winning record....where are you going to go?

To the team that just went to the NFC Championship Game with Case F-n Keenum for 91 million guaranteed or the 5-11 dumpster fire Jets for a few million extra?  Weighing his options is fine..but we all know what’s going to happen. 

He is only 29.  If I'm Mac I sell him this way:  We beat 3 playoff teams in 2017 and came within a hair of winning 3 more (Panthers, Pats & Falcons) with Cousins we probaly win those games.  We can have enough cap space that even signing Cousins we can still add a top flight reciever like Watkins or Robinson  We can also add a non QB like in the first round  Barkley, or Nelson for the o-line. Cousins doesn't have to win a Super Bowl this season, he has at least 5 prime years a head of him. Also New Jersey/New York is great place to live for his family and quality of life.

I would agree with you if Couisn were 36 and he wanted to win a Super Bowl in the next year or so. Thats not the case.

[Jetster]

9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Continue to talk yourself into the possibility just to be let down in the end. I tried to help you lol.??‍♂️

Like I've said, I'll be disappointed but also excited at the prospect of a young QB. There's definitely more than 1 way to skin a cat this year. I just think a Cousins signing & using 6 for BPA or trade back puts us further ahead much, much quicker than drafting a QB in this draft.

[JetsFanatic]

30 minutes ago, Jetster said:

This is what I'm hoping. It almost seems that guys like Adam Shein & Collin Cowherd are putting the Vikings in the Super Bowl if they sign Cousins, lol, but it's also like saying the Vikings are SO GOOD that Cousins will just be along for the ride similar to Manning in Denver. The difference is the Broncos defense was much better than the Vikings. They're good, not great. They beat up on Chicago, a Rogersless Green Bay, the Vikings split with Lions, got whooped by the Steelers, lost to Carolina, should have lost to the Saints (sorry, f*cking lucky miracle win), and got their azzes handed to them in Philly 38-7!!!. Nick Foles- 26-33, 352 yards & 3TDs! Sorry, there is no way on gods green earth that the Denver Broncos defense in 2015 gives those numbers up in a playoff game. 

The Vikings are a good team but people are over rating them.  They beat the Saints on a fluke in the playoffs and got destroyed by the Eagles.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

Both the Phins and Bills have become weaker. There's also many scenarios in which the Jets can become weaker if that even makes sense. We have alot of money but so do other teams. This season can be a cakewalk for the Pats as far as winning the division again.

[JetsFanatic]

15 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Okay, He'll consider the Broncos then.

He should and will.

[Patriot Killa]

5 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

He is only 29.  If I'm Mac I sell him this way:  We beat 3 playoff teams in 2017 and came within a hair of winning 3 more (Panthers, Pats & Falcons) with Cousins we probaly win those games.  We can have enough cap space that even signing Cousins we can still add a top flight reciever like Watkins or Robinson  We can also add a non QB like in the first round  Barkley, or Nelson for the o-line. Cousins doesn't have to win a Super Bowl this season, he has at least 5 prime years a head of him. Also New Jersey/New York is great place to live for his family and quality of life.

I would agree with you if Couisn were 36 and he wanted to win a Super Bowl in the next year or so. Thats not the case.

His age doesn’t matter, dude. Our team record and player personnel on offense matters. No actual QB and his agent are going to be like “Well damn, them Jets almost won a few more games, such gamers those guys are. Let’s sign!”

Shoulda’, Coulda’ Woulda’ doesn’t work in the NFL. Macc can sell him all he wants to, the record and the offense speaks louder than words. 

[Patriot Killa]

6 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

The Vikings are a good team but people are over rating them.  They beat the Saints on a fluke in the playoffs and got destroyed by the Eagles.

So they beat a great team and lost to the eventual 2018 super bowl champions is what you are telling me?

[Patriot Killa]

8 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Like I've said, I'll be disappointed but also excited at the prospect of a young QB. There's definitely more than 1 way to skin a cat this year. I just think a Cousins signing & using 6 for BPA or trade back puts us further ahead much, much quicker than drafting a QB in this draft.

I mean, I don’t disagree my guy...I really don’t. I understand the thought process behind what you are saying and it would be cool to get him. I just don’t see it as a real possibility and I feel like waiting on one option to unfold(which we all know how it will unfold) is basically killing our other options all together because time is a factor.

[JetsFanatic]

13 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Like I've said, I'll be disappointed but also excited at the prospect of a young QB. There's definitely more than 1 way to skin a cat this year. I just think a Cousins signing & using 6 for BPA or trade back puts us further ahead much, much quicker than drafting a QB in this draft.

I agree. Cousins signing is our best option. If that doesn't happen we can still add a lot of talent through Free Agency and draft one of the young QBs. It should be a fun off season.

[kelly]

26 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Okay, He'll consider the Broncos then.

he is/has. 

btw,.. he's gonna sign with minn. 

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~ 

[Jetster]

5 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

The Vikings are a good team but people are over rating them.  They beat the Saints on a fluke in the playoffs and got destroyed by the Eagles.

That's what I'm saying. I watch Total Access on NFL network & ex-players always bring up parity & just how close teams are too winning from losing.

Jensen or Richburg might be BETTER centers than Eiflin and maybe the Jets sign Norwell, or draft Nelson, and both could be a better tandem with Winters than what the Vikings have upfront. Who's to say that if we draft Michel, Guice, Jones or Chubb, that they aren't better than Dalvin Cook coming back from a ACL? Hansen could be Theilen for all we know? 

Leggett could turn out to be better than Rudolph? Hell, in my fantasy league 2 years ago, Rudolph was the TE passed around like trash in free agency & was only picked up each week by guys who's TEs were on byes.

When Snacks Harrison left & went to the hated Giants it was like everyone here annointed the Giants as always the Jets big brother. Well, who's picking ahead of the Jets at #2 this year? 

I've always said you need to look at a teams schedule, matchups, who was injured when they played ect. That's why the Jets 2015 season was so overrated. 

[Pcola]

The problem with Cousins, if the rumors hold true, is that he only wants a 3 year deal.  Why the hell would a team like the Jets want invest that kind of money in Cousins for such a short term commitment?

By the time we get our roster to where it’s capable to compete at the highest level, Cousins is leaving.

And of all the QBs in this draft, there are three difference makers.  Darnold and Rosen could start day 1, Mayfield at some point his rookie year.  

Allen has to fix a lot.  Rudolph’s accuracy is a huge problem.  Not a big deal at OK St.  But it will be obvious once he tries to complete throws into the NFL tight windows.  Faulk was benched twice this season by his college HC, and Lauletta, for being a very accurate QB, doesn’t have the arm strength yet to be more than a below average QB.

Not saying that I wouldn’t mind Falk, Lauletta, or even Riley Ferguson as a late round development guy.  It’s just the Jets don’t have the luxury of looking for a QB for 2020.  We need someone right now.  Plus, we just not good at the “development” part.

[jetsons]

14 minutes ago, kelly said:

he is/has. 

btw,.. he's gonna sign with minn. 

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~ 

As long as it's Not the jets, I'm good.

[Jetster]

14 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

His age doesn’t matter, dude. Our team record and player personnel on offense matters. No actual QB and his agent are going to be like “Well damn, them Jets almost won a few more games, such gamers those guys are. Let’s sign!”

Shoulda’, Coulda’ Woulda’ doesn’t work in the NFL. Macc can sell him all he wants to, the record and the offense speaks louder than words. 

What Macc should be telling Cousins is that the path to a Super Bowl over the next 5 to 7 years will be a helluva lot easier in the AFC! Pats are good but time waits for no man. Brady is another year older, he's losing his LT Solder, Gronk almost retired, Edelman could go down again, that dude has taken mucho head shots and their defense stinks.

Look at the f*cking competition in the NFC! The Packers with Aaron Rogers back, the Lions beat the Vikings last year, the Panthers beat the Vikings last year, the Saints beat them in the playoffs IN THEIR BUILDING! without the luckiest, flukiest, worst play in the history of football. The Eagles didn't beat the Vikings, THEY CRUSHED THEM, 38-7, the Rams are going to be REALLY GOOD!, Packers, Saints, Panthers, Lions, Eagles, Rams. 

Now go to the AFC. HUGE DIFFERENCE! I'm telling you right now that over the next 5 years, Cousins has a much better chance of advancing with the Jets getting in the playoffs than he will in Minny & running that gauntlet of teams in the playoffs. Book it!

[JetsFanatic]

5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

What Macc should be telling Cousins is that the path to a Super Bowl over the next 5 to 7 years will be a helluva lot easier in the AFC! Pats are good but time waits for no man. Brady is another year older, he's losing his LT Solder, Gronk almost retired, Edelman could go down again, that dude has taken mucho head shots and their defense stinks.

Look at the f*cking competition in the NFC! The Packers with Aaron Rogers back, the Lions beat the Vikings last year, the Panthers beat the Vikings last year, the Saints beat them in the playoffs IN THEIR BUILDING! without the luckiest, flukiest, worst play in the history of football. The Eagles didn't beat the Vikings, THEY CRUSHED THEM, 38-7, the Rams are going to be REALLY GOOD!, Packers, Saints, Panthers, Lions, Eagles, Rams. 

Now go to the AFC. HUGE DIFFERENCE! I'm telling you right now that over the next 5 years, Cousins has a much better chance of advancing with the Jets getting in the playoffs than he will in Minny & running that gauntlet of teams in the playoffs. Book it!

You bring up excellent points.  The Vikings, don't have enough cap spce to do anything else major if they sign Cousins.  The Jets, on the other hand, can add multiple huge pieces in addition to Cousins. I also agree that, on a whole, the AFC is weaker than the NFC right now.

 

 

 

 

 

[ScarletKnight89]

I thought the Bills got good value for Tyrod Taylor. I didn't like what the Dolphins did with Landry though. A 4th rounder is a crapshoot pick. Sure something is better than nothing but Landry is a guy you build with not trade away IMO.

Both teams are weaker now but it depends what they do with the extra cap space/draft compensation they received. If we lose out on Cousins we have to draft a QB at 6 and I think the Bills are definitely looking to trade up to get a QB and potentially the Dolphins as well.

[Jetster]

20 minutes ago, Pcola said:

The problem with Cousins, if the rumors hold true, is that he only wants a 3 year deal.  Why the hell would a team like the Jets want invest that kind of money in Cousins for such a short term commitment?

By the time we get our roster to where it’s capable to compete at the highest level, Cousins is leaving.

And of all the QBs in this draft, there are three difference makers.  Darnold and Rosen could start day 1, Mayfield at some point his rookie year.  

Allen has to fix a lot.  Rudolph’s accuracy is a huge problem.  Not a big deal at OK St.  But it will be obvious once he tries to complete throws into the NFL tight windows.  Faulk was benched twice this season by his college HC, and Lauletta, for being a very accurate QB, doesn’t have the arm strength yet to be more than a below average QB.

Not saying that I wouldn’t mind Falk, Lauletta, or even Riley Ferguson as a late round development guy.  It’s just the Jets don’t have the luxury of looking for a QB for 2020.  We need someone right now.  Plus, we just not good at the “development” part.

I want Cousins bad but I completely agree with you on the contract. What is the point of 3 years & then go through this BS all over again? 5 years or NADA. Say he goes to Vikings on a 3 year deal, talk about pressure! Eagles (just traded for Micheal Bennett), Rams (Peters & Talib ?), Saints (Another draft to strengthen the defense), Packers (Rogers is back!), Lions (always tough in the division), Panthers (beat Vikings), the NFC has many more complete teams than the AFC. If Cousins goes to Vikings on a 3 year deal, then it really is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, because like I've pointed out the NFC playoffs will be a GAUNTLET of not only really good teams but most of the best most complete teams in the entire league. Anyone who thinks Cousins best chance of winning (Are we talking about winning games or actually getting to a Super Bowl), he's actually got a better chance percentage wise with the Jets in the AFC than the Vikings in the NFC. 

Just my opinion but none of the talking heads bring that up. They don't talk about the Vikings playing Green Bay without Rogers, the Lions, Panthers, Saints (should have), Eagles. The Vikings lost to every good team they played except the Rams at home (not surprising WC team traveling East). But even the Rams will be much better in 2018.

[SenorGato]

2 hours ago, Jetster said:

I have no idea what's going to happen at the start of free agency but I can tell you without a doubt if the Jets win the Kirk Cousins lottery they easily pass the Fins & Bills in the AFC East.

Yep, no need to look at henchmen like they're bosses.

I think you make excellent points about the state of the division and especially the already weak and getting weaker AFC.

[Jetster]

18 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

You bring up excellent points.  The Vikings, don't have enough cap spce to do anything else major if they sign Cousins.  The Jets, on the other hand, can add multiple huge pieces in addition to Cousins. I also agree that, on a whole, the AFC is weaker than the NFC right now.

 

 

 

 

 

Plus guys like Rhodes, Diggs, Rudolph will be in line for new contract DURING Cousins contract. Not even close to the case with the Jets as only Leo will come up first. 

[Patriot Killa]

This is some of you right now.

[Pcola]

25 minutes ago, Jetster said:

I want Cousins bad but I completely agree with you on the contract. What is the point of 3 years & then go through this BS all over again? 5 years or NADA. Say he goes to Vikings on a 3 year deal, talk about pressure! Eagles (just traded for Micheal Bennett), Rams (Peters & Talib ?), Saints (Another draft to strengthen the defense), Packers (Rogers is back!), Lions (always tough in the division), Panthers (beat Vikings), the NFC has many more complete teams than the AFC. If Cousins goes to Vikings on a 3 year deal, then it really is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, because like I've pointed out the NFC playoffs will be a GAUNTLET of not only really good teams but most of the best most complete teams in the entire league. Anyone who thinks Cousins best chance of winning (Are we talking about winning games or actually getting to a Super Bowl), he's actually got a better chance percentage wise with the Jets in the AFC than the Vikings in the NFC. 

Just my opinion but none of the talking heads bring that up. They don't talk about the Vikings playing Green Bay without Rogers, the Lions, Panthers, Saints (should have), Eagles. The Vikings lost to every good team they played except the Rams at home (not surprising WC team traveling East). But even the Rams will be much better in 2018.

I hadn’t even considered the competition.  And the Vikings are good about every three or four years.  Great post.  

[Pcola]

1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said:

The Vikings are a good team but people are over rating them.  They beat the Saints on a fluke in the playoffs and got destroyed by the Eagles.

And Keenum had a fantastic year.  So if Cousins matches that level of play next year, are they any better?

[Jetster]

2 minutes ago, Pcola said:

And Keenum had a fantastic year.  So if Cousins matches that level of play next year, are they any better?

That's what I'm saying. No ones talking about how well Keenum played last year. The dude had a career year. Imagine Cousins goes to the Vikings & they go 8-8. It could definitely happen in the NFC. He could easily have a worse year than they had last year, they went freaking 13-3! With Rogers back, are the Vikings beating the Packers twice again? 

They play the Saints, 49ers, at Rams, at Patriots, at Philly, at Seattle, at Jets. Even the NY Jets play well at home! I don't see the Vikings even getting to 13-3 again, everything fell into place for them. He'll get a helluva lot longer leash with the Jets and time to hopefully IMPROVE our record. I could actually see him signing in Minny & it going badly. Good luck trying to match or do better than 13-3, plus not getting any home playoff games in the tough NFC. 

 

 

[SenorGato]

2 hours ago, JetsFanatic said:

The Vikings are a good team but people are over rating them.  They beat the Saints on a fluke in the playoffs and got destroyed by the Eagles.

Not to mention the master plan is that at least three of Cousins, Barr, Hunter, Rudolph, and Diggs all sign for less than they're worth.