Charlie Brown Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Charlie Brown said: I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... I'd be good with Kyle Lauletta. But actually I heard Joe Benigno say something today about the Cowboys. I forget the QB they targeted but they didn't get him. Then they tried to trade up for Connor Cook but he ended up going to the Raiders. In the end, they "settled" for Dak Prescott. I really think the Jets are long overdue for a break like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Eh, I don't see the "Doomsday" scenario playing out. There's no reason why we're hoarding our picks and not expending them. However, I'd rather pick BPA instead of Jackson at 6, and take Lauletta in rd2. I don't ever see Jackson working as a Jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have a feeling we’re going to end up with Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Both McCown and Bridgewater were just signed to 1 year deals. I don’t know if I’ve ever felt more confident that we’ll be drafting a quarterback someway/somehow in the 1st round (finally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 33 minutes ago, Ghost said: I have a feeling we’re going to end up with Rosen. To wind up with easily the purest thrower at #6 would be a gift, you run to the podium. Even if it doesn't work out, Rosen is well worth the shot with his talent. I don't know if that a$$wipe owner of ours would sign off on Rosen for non-football reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, RoadFan said: To wind up with easily the purest thrower at #6 would be a gift, you run to the podium. Even if it doesn't work out, Rosen is well worth the shot with his talent. I don't know if that a$$wipe owner of ours would sign off on Rosen for non-football reasons. I'm no fan of Woody and Chris but I don't think they're anti-dentites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, Ghost said: I have a feeling we’re going to end up with Rosen. Please be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I think they're going to sit tight at 6 and draft bpa because macc gonna Macc.. I think one of the QBs drop to us anyway but it will be a very very nerve wracking night on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Rosen has no "non football issues". He had a hot tub in his room. Thats it. No drug issues, no domestic violence, alcohol, guns, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, pointman said: Rosen has no "non football issues". He had a hot tub in his room. Thats it. No drug issues, no domestic violence, alcohol, guns, nothing. His issues aren't those kind they're more Jay Cutler-esque. Does he love football. Will he play through injuries. Will he sit out longer than needed after a concussion? I'll take Rosen at 6 but there are legit concerns about Rosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscreen Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 51 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... This is absurd. A QB will be at 6 regardless of what happens 1-5. Saquon Barkley and Brad Chubb are GUARANTEED to go top 5. The Jets will be able to choose from between one and up to 3 QB's at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: His issues aren't those kind they're more Jay Cutler-esque. Does he love football. Will he play through injuries. Will he sit out longer than needed after a concussion? I'll take Rosen at 6 but there are legit concerns about Rosen A lot of that came from the "he comes from money". Yes, he has taken some shots that made him miss time. But in the end, he still played at an elite collegiate level. College football isn't easy. Bring us Rosen and lets go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, pointman said: Rosen has no "non football issues". He had a hot tub in his room. Thats it. No drug issues, no domestic violence, alcohol, guns, nothing. I think he's had a couple of concussions. Plus his family are very wealthy so he can afford to retire early should he get injured. At least that's what they were saying on WFAN earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jetscreen said: This is absurd. A QB will be at 6 regardless of what happens 1-5. Saquon Barkley and Brad Chubb are GUARANTEED to go top 5. The Jets will be able to choose from between one and up to 3 QB's at 6. Why is this absurd... Please explain why the central thesis of why Lamar Jackson should not be compared to Josh Allen? We could always draft other players that is obvious, what is not obvious is why Allen is high draft choice and Jackson is not? I don't understand it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: I think he's had a couple of concussions. Plus his family are very wealthy so he can afford to retire early should he get injured. At least that's what they were saying on WFAN earlier. Every ball player has had concussions. The money factor isn't much of a factor to me. Hes kept on playing. Again, I don't think coach football is easy at the D1 level. If it was about money and all that, he'd have just walked away after having won himself some notoriety and being able to say "when I was young.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said: I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... We are now not FORCED to take a QB at 6. If one of the top 4 is there great if not take the BPA or trade down and pick up extra draft chips. I HATE giving up precious draft picks to move up. We can always take a QB like Lyle Lauetta in the 2nd or 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Why is this absurd... Please explain why the central thesis of why Lamar Jackson should not be compared to Josh Allen? We could always draft other players that is obvious, what is not obvious is why Allen is high draft choice and Jackson is not? I don't understand it.. I don't think Jackson is quick enough in reading defenses. News out of the combine was he bombed the white board drills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcronin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Move back and get Rudolph? We are screwed with top 4 or 5Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 48 minutes ago, RoadFan said: To wind up with easily the purest thrower at #6 would be a gift, you run to the podium. Even if it doesn't work out, Rosen is well worth the shot with his talent. I don't know if that a$$wipe owner of ours would sign off on Rosen for non-football reasons. I just have a weird feeling Josh Allen will go ahead Rosen. Honestly, I don’t even hate Allen as much as people do here. One of the draft gurus on NFL Network said Allen has one of the strongest arms in the past 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If we don't move up then we are probably sitting tight and taking Baker Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If the big four qbs are gone that means either Barkley or Chubb are still there and I think you have to grab whichever one it is. My preference would be Chubb but either would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Davenport at 6 and hope Rudolph or Jackson fall to our first second round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Ghost said: I have a feeling we’re going to end up with Rosen. You know I’m starting to get a funny feeling about that too. I would probably jizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... Yes take Jackson. I would be extremely excited to have JAckson, McCown, Bridge going into next season. What I dont understand is how Lauletta or Rudolph are considered better prospects than Jackson. But from all the reports, the Jets have zero interest in Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Grandy said: Eh, I don't see the "Doomsday" scenario playing out. There's no reason why we're hoarding our picks and not expending them. However, I'd rather pick BPA instead of Jackson at 6, and take Lauletta in rd2. I don't ever see Jackson working as a Jet. I don't think there's any way the Jets can pass on a QB in round 1 hoping a guy they like slips to them in the 2nd. Macc's job is riding on this. My guess is they're moving up to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/19/on-lamar-jackson-josh-mccown-disagrees-with-bill-polian/ On Lamar Jackson, Josh McCown disagrees with Bill Polian Posted by Mike Florio on February 19, 2018, 5:49 PM EDT Getty Images Friday’s PFT Live included a visit with Jets quarterback Josh McCown. And it eventually became apparent that McCown is a budding draft expert. “For me that’s part of what I enjoy doing,” McCown said regarding the analysis of incoming rookie quarterbacks. “I’ve got a computer set up in my office here at the house with all the college quarterbacks on it, and I’m watching them. For me trying to sharpen my skills as being able to evaluate young guys coming into this league. I would like to do that one day. Obviously whether it’s with the Jets or anybody to be able to say, ‘This is my thoughts or opinions on a guy.’ I would love to share that. I think that’s part of it. At this age you have to welcome the young guys in and be able to share your knowledge with them.” Unlike former NFL G.M. Bill Polian, who has hitched his wagon to the “Lamar Jackson should move to receiver” narrative, McCown believes Jackson will thrive. “A lot of times what you have to look at is what are these young guys being asked to do in their systems?” McCown said. “When you get a talent like Lamar you can go, ‘Man, there is so much that we can do.’ Especially with . . . the RPOs and things like that. There’s an ability to move the football with his legs. We saw it at times when he just won football games with his legs, period. “I think sometimes when you see that then it’s easy to just go, ‘Man, he should play receiver.’ But when you watch this guy throw the ball, he’s really got a good whip. The ball comes out of his hand pretty hard. Those are the things I think you have to take into consideration.” McCown actually thinks that, with the changes to the pro game in recent years, Jackson could do even better at the next level. “You get a guy like that — and I’m not comparing him to Dak Prescott — but why did Dak Prescott go in the fourth round?” McCown said. “Well, because maybe in college he wasn’t being asked to make some of these throws and play in a system. Then he gets into the league, and his game translates to the league better than college. I think Lamar Jackson could fall in that mold where you get this kid and you say, ‘Hey do these things,’ and that may open up a whole other part of his skill set that we didn’t see. Even more recently Deshaun Watson last year. He’s an intriguing prospect to me because of his athleticism, because of the home run speed that he has and because I think when you get him into a system there’s a lot of upside for him.” Here’s hoping that current evaluators listen more to McCown and less to Polian. They have every reason to do that, given that there still aren’t enough good quarterbacks to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Is it me or does it look like Macc is trying to copy the Eagles and - after whiffing on Cousins - just bring in as many QBs he can instead of trying to surgically find the 1 guy in this or that draft and bet the franchise's future on 1 correct guess? The $10m McCown mentor thing aside, I can't see how he doesn't envision going into camp with 3 young arms not named McCown: 2018 Rookie, Bridgewater, and yes Hackenberg (Petty's gone; if the best they can get is a 7th rounder in return they'll jump at it). The rookie's guaranteed a spot. Whether we like it or not so is McCown. Then either Hackenberg or Bridgewater will make the roster. It will (or should) be the latter unless he just can't play at all anymore. If Bridgewater makes the team, and the 2018 draftee doesn't look like Petty/Hackenberg as a rookie, McCown ought to quickly drop to being a $10m 3rd stringer. It'd be better if the rookie badly beats out Bridgewater if only for contract reasons, but as the fan of a team that got turned down after offering Kirk Cousins some $30m guaranteed per year, I've got no business being picky about which one it is that ultimately pans out as a FQB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The Jets are not and never were taking a QB in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Is it me or does it look like Macc is trying to copy the Eagles and - after whiffing on Cousins - just bring in as many QBs he can instead of trying to surgically find the 1 guy in this or that draft and bet the franchise's future on 1 correct guess? At least he's trying to adapt. Unfortunately, a key component to this plan working is a competent coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, jgb said: At least he's trying to adapt. Unfortunately, a key component to this plan working is a competent coaching staff. ...and an eye for talent. Ultimately, neither the GM nor the HC is an asset. The only remaining path left is luck: get lucky in the draft, get lucky with injuries (and opponents’ injuries) and timing, and then even meh HCs can go pretty far. But if he’s trying to adapt and copy? It’s got to particularly sting seeing Philly trade up for Wentz after he turned down the offer himself. I think he sucks, but also think there’s a good chance he trades up this time even if it costs next year’s 1 and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Jetscreen said: This is absurd. A QB will be at 6 regardless of what happens 1-5. Saquon Barkley and Brad Chubb are GUARANTEED to go top 5. The Jets will be able to choose from between one and up to 3 QB's at 6. The chances of all four QBs going before the 6-pick is low, but much higher than the chance that only one goes. Barkley is probably a lock to go in the top-5 but Chubb is not. He is the best rusher in the draft, but not the level of prospect that typically goes that high. It would take at least one (IND) and possibly two trades to push all four QBs into the top-5 but it is a real scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Pac said: I don't think there's any way the Jets can pass on a QB in round 1 hoping a guy they like slips to them in the 2nd. Macc's job is riding on this. My guess is they're moving up to 3. I do as well. If it comes down to it I think he’ll give up the #6 and a 2nd rounder this year and possibly a 1 or 2 next year to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Bridgewater is a Louisville alumn. Perhaps targeting Lamar was part of the plan-B game plan all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... 4 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: I am thinking what if the Jets don't move up in the draft and the Big four are gone, what do they do!! Hmmmmm do they get bold and pick the one QB with tremendous upside but whom many have questioned in Lamar Jackson? Yea he runs a lot, needs work and so on but he has a big upside if he can make it as a QB... AND...... I keep saying that no way does Allen have all this upside but Jackson is somehow this crazy crazy risk... IMO if Allen id good enough to go at #4 so is Jackson..... I think today’s moves pretty much rules out a trade up. Look I don’t think josh McCown is great. But he put up very decent numbers behind a terrible Oline and bellow ave receivers..Ya Robbie was good. But every team in nfl has atleast 1 good WR. I would to grab Nelson. We all scream for a top qb, but it’s the non sexy players like a should be career all pro guard that make the difference. We really need Oline help. Look at how good eagles line was. People want to give all the credit to Foles. But he played with that confidence in large part because he knew that all star line was going to protect him and give him plenty of time to throw. And being able to run at ease, makes it much easier for qb because D doesn’t know what is coming.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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