FidelioJet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It'll be Chubb or a QB.... Not other real way to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: If the Jets sit tight at six and 4 QBs go in the top 5 Macc should be fired. Also Nelson went to Notre Dame, not Ohio State. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, bitonti said: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Bradley-Chubb-2018-NFL-Scouting-Combine-workout/de211bf0-e248-452e-bea2-0cb4c40d330a what's not to like? What's to like? It's the same kind of issue as with Gholston and Coples. If you just look at height/weight/speed they look great but the explosion and agility numbers aren't there. Granted it's not as pronounced as with those guys, and we are talking about this in the context of having put ourselves in a spot here, but with a pick this high I have to understand why I'm taking a player beyond everybody says. Everybody says gets you Leonard Williams and Darron Lee and Jamal Adams. Where is the upside? Williams is a good player. Adams more likely than not be pretty good one day, but in what scenario are you ever going to get a surplus return on the draft capital you've invested by taking an average athlete at DT at 6, an undersized LB at 20, and a below average athlete at S at 6? Chubb is at least an end but what do you honestly think his best-case is? The most likely outcome here is we at least are satisfied he's not a bust after he follows a career trajectory something like, start slow then turn into an 8 sack a year guy who breaks 10 once on the first contract. Don't tell me that's valuable, I know. But merely hitting your picks and averaging your expectation by definition gets you to 8-8. This is more about understanding how games work than it is about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: What's to like? It's the same kind of issue as with Gholston and Coples. If you just look at height/weight/speed they look great but the explosion and agility numbers aren't there. Granted it's not as pronounced as with those guys, and we are talking about this in the context of having put ourselves in a spot here, but with a pick this high I have to understand why I'm taking a player beyond everybody says. Everybody says gets you Leonard Williams and Darron Lee and Jamal Adams. Where is the upside? Williams is a good player. Adams more likely than not be pretty good one day, but in what scenario are you ever going to get a surplus return on the draft capital you've invested by taking an average athlete at DT at 6, an undersized LB at 20, and a below average athlete at S at 6? Chubb is at least an end but what do you honestly think his best-case is? The most likely outcome here is we at least are satisfied he's not a bust after he follows a career trajectory something like, start slow then turn into an 8 sack a year guy who breaks 10 once on the first contract. Don't tell me that's valuable, I know. But merely hitting your picks and averaging your expectation by definition gets you to 8-8. This is more about understanding how games work than it is about football. I hearr ya, who do you suggest they take? He's one of the top position players on the board - at a "premium" position everyone's been screaming about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: What's to like? It's the same kind of issue as with Gholston and Coples. If you just look at height/weight/speed they look great but the explosion and agility numbers aren't there. Granted it's not as pronounced as with those guys, and we are talking about this in the context of having put ourselves in a spot here, but with a pick this high I have to understand why I'm taking a player beyond everybody says. Everybody says gets you Leonard Williams and Darron Lee and Jamal Adams. Where is the upside? Williams is a good player. Adams more likely than not be pretty good one day, but in what scenario are you ever going to get a surplus return on the draft capital you've invested by taking an average athlete at DT at 6, an undersized LB at 20, and a below average athlete at S at 6? Chubb is at least an end but what do you honestly think his best-case is? The most likely outcome here is we at least are satisfied he's not a bust after he follows a career trajectory something like, start slow then turn into an 8 sack a year guy who breaks 10 once on the first contract. Don't tell me that's valuable, I know. But merely hitting your picks and averaging your expectation by definition gets you to 8-8. This is more about understanding how games work than it is about football. I don’t think Chubb fits the 3-4, unlike Davenport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Got to be a QB. Either Mayfield or Rosen. If we don't draft a QB in that first round, I will be putting my foot through the TV as well and will make the appointment for Maccagnan to get his head examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: What's to like? It's the same kind of issue as with Gholston and Coples. If you just look at height/weight/speed they look great but the explosion and agility numbers aren't there. Where is the upside? Williams is a good player. Adams more likely than not be pretty good one day, but in what scenario are you ever going to get a surplus return on the draft capital you've invested by taking an average athlete at DT at 6, an undersized LB at 20, and a below average athlete at S at 6? Chubb has SPARQ numbers better than 78% of edge at the position. He's really good athletically but not 99.9% good. If going purely on athletic numbers, Harold Landry might be the pick. https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/edge/ To answer your question, Mac is more about avoiding the downside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 NEED A QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, ChuckkieB said: I refuse to believe that this franchise, as incompetent and as rudderless as it is, is stupid enough to try to sell the fan base on a McCown and Bridgewater tandem with no blue chip QB prospect, especially after 3 years of Fitpatrick and McCown and consecutive 5-11 finishes. If that actually happens, it will be the death knell for the Mac and Bowles dynamic duo and usher in another wasted year in mediocrity or worse. Why? It's exactly what they have done the first 3 years. Bridgewater and McClown are the excuses Macc will use to explain picking safety again at number 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 37 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: What's to like? It's the same kind of issue as with Gholston and Coples. If you just look at height/weight/speed they look great but the explosion and agility numbers aren't there. Granted it's not as pronounced as with those guys, and we are talking about this in the context of having put ourselves in a spot here, but with a pick this high I have to understand why I'm taking a player beyond everybody says. Everybody says gets you Leonard Williams and Darron Lee and Jamal Adams. Where is the upside? Williams is a good player. Adams more likely than not be pretty good one day, but in what scenario are you ever going to get a surplus return on the draft capital you've invested by taking an average athlete at DT at 6, an undersized LB at 20, and a below average athlete at S at 6? Chubb is at least an end but what do you honestly think his best-case is? The most likely outcome here is we at least are satisfied he's not a bust after he follows a career trajectory something like, start slow then turn into an 8 sack a year guy who breaks 10 once on the first contract. Don't tell me that's valuable, I know. But merely hitting your picks and averaging your expectation by definition gets you to 8-8. This is more about understanding how games work than it is about football. We are going to keep doing the same thing that gets us mediocrity. Is there anything that makes you feel like we are going to come away round one with anything but continuing with a string of bad decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It’s a QB. Shouldn’t even be debateable. Also, I think Chubb is being over-hyped as a prospect. He’s good but nothing revolutionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If Macc don't pick a QB round 1 he should be fired immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAJet815 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 This is Mac's last stand. He was sold to us as a scout. He has to pick his qb and go get him. By any means necessary. It really is that simple. A 39 year old and a qb coming off a serious injury had better not be derailing that. If it does, Mac won't be GM for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 " With FAs signed so far and if Draft falls way folks predicting, who Jets pick at 6 ? ".. BPA,.. just like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, bitonti said: Chubb has SPARQ numbers better than 78% of edge at the position. He's really good athletically but not 99.9% good. If going purely on athletic numbers, Harold Landry might be the pick. https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/edge/ To answer your question, Mac is more about avoiding the downside Victor Beasley hit both Waldo numbers and was a back to back all American. We took Leonard Williams. I think there's a lot of validity to what you said before about Maccagnan measuring success by getting a guy people said was gonna go higher. I think there's a solid quantifiable case for Landry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm not too enamored with QBs outside of Darnold. Chubb at 6 is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estang74 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I like how most people didn’t follow the question correctly lol. Following the question correctly, I would take Chubb since the 4 qb’s and Barkley would be off the board. I would then trade back into first rd(depending on price) and grab Jackson. Take a RB in 3rd rd and finish off with O line help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: What's to like? It's the same kind of issue as with Gholston and Coples. If you just look at height/weight/speed they look great but the explosion and agility numbers aren't there. Granted it's not as pronounced as with those guys, and we are talking about this in the context of having put ourselves in a spot here, but with a pick this high I have to understand why I'm taking a player beyond everybody says. Everybody says gets you Leonard Williams and Darron Lee and Jamal Adams. Where is the upside? Williams is a good player. Adams more likely than not be pretty good one day, but in what scenario are you ever going to get a surplus return on the draft capital you've invested by taking an average athlete at DT at 6, an undersized LB at 20, and a below average athlete at S at 6? Chubb is at least an end but what do you honestly think his best-case is? The most likely outcome here is we at least are satisfied he's not a bust after he follows a career trajectory something like, start slow then turn into an 8 sack a year guy who breaks 10 once on the first contract. Don't tell me that's valuable, I know. But merely hitting your picks and averaging your expectation by definition gets you to 8-8. This is more about understanding how games work than it is about football. Olivier Vernon basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Rosen and Chubb at #6 at Mac will take Chubb, the "2nd best player" in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, ChuckkieB said: I refuse to believe that this franchise, as incompetent and as rudderless as it is, is stupid enough to try to sell the fan base on a McCown and Bridgewater tandem with no blue chip QB prospect, especially after 3 years of Fitpatrick and McCown and consecutive 5-11 finishes. If that actually happens, it will be the death knell for the Mac and Bowles dynamic duo and usher in another wasted year in mediocrity or worse. They did last year with Mccown and Hackenberg/Petty. Dont get the sense there's been a shift in thinking when it comes to the quarterback. The only rationale I have is the GM knows the coach he's not allowed to fire will not play a rookie unless forced due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The should draft a QB. And they should probably move up to via trade to take the guy they want. Darnold or Rosen come to mind. But if they want Allen or Mayfield you really cannot assume either will be there at 6. For the #1 pick it will take A LOT. Like their first rounder, both second rounders and a second and 4th rounder next year- AT MINIMUM. For the #2 pick it will take much the same but they could save a draft pick next year. For the #3 pick it becomes a bit more reasonable. Their first (1,600), second (520) and 4th (92) THIS year should do it, without having to give up any draft picks next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 59 minutes ago, bitonti said: To answer your question, Mac is more about avoiding the downside this. mccagnan looks at the draft like it's a game, how can i get the guy who's rated higher than i'm picking. he does not consider positional impact, position scarcity, offense/defense balance, cap implications, league trends or relative need. and he has these rules that prevent drafting offensive linemen and rbs early in drafts. so his inherent draft value system completely skews defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baeton Manning Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'd be thrilled with using our pick on the OL Nelson and doing a tradeup to get Lamar somewhere in the 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: I bet he is. If he's there I don't need 15 mins to write the card out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Integrity28 said: At this point I want the best of Chubb or Nelson, or a trade back. Then Lamar and a stud RB before R2 is over. chubb or nelson for me as well if bills trade up and 4 QBs gone. ya, I know nelson went to ND, been typing about too many guys lately LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Again, its great if you think a QB will be there, but for THIS Thread for fun, we are asking which of 3 guys in OP would you take if that is what Jets see at #6, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Chubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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