Can we come off the ledge now?

[Jetster]

It was pretty funny watching everyone freak out that we didn't sign 5 guys in the 1st minutes of tampering time.

The McCown & Bridgewater signings finally put an end to the careers of Petty & Hack. All along I wanted Cousins but no way for a 3 year deal. Love the Johnson signing, that was a big time get. Crowell is everything Powell is not, he can run inside with power & break tackles and he's durable. The new center seems average but but I could see them drafting Daniels out of Iowa.

If the Jets land the honeybadger, this could be the best Jet secondary ever & cutting Skrine is a win win for us. The Badger is one of those guys that easily cover for a an average 2nd CB. I know there are fans here laughing about the whole safety thing but this group might be as versatile as the legion of boom. Trumaine Johnson- Adams- Maye- Honeybadger- ?. If teams can't run on the Jets, 3rd & longs will not be fun. And if Lee could finally learn how to use his speed, he can let Williamson & Jenkins do the dirty work in the run game & just run & hit. We still need to find a pass rusher in this draft. 

I know some don't agree but I think the Jets are sitting in a good spot at 6. Too bad the league is stupid (head to head should be the 1st criteria of draft slotting) this idea that we got pummeled by Denver & they are picking before us pisses me off! There are 4 QBs & 3 top tier studs in Barkley, Chubb, Nelson. We only need just one thing to happen before we pick & that is someone drafting Josh Allen. Once that happens at least 4 guys are off the board. Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Allen.

If this happens the Jets win!

[bealeb319]

How are we going to stop teams from running on us our defensive line is hurting right now only stud we have left is Williams atm. Aside from that even if we got Mathieu we still have a big need at corner assuming he would be taking the spot of skrine. I love the Bridgewater signing but I don't think by any means it says we give up on hack heck it could mean the opposite maybe we don't draft qb and hack is macs long-term plan. I don't think we have done a bad job in free agency so far but we have some major holes to fill before I get to excited...as for the best defense I hear that just about every year...lets see what these bums can do before we start making nicknames for them

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[Warfish]

Defense wins Championships so moar Defense!

Ugh.

[nyjunc]

fans are always on the ledge especially fans of our team.  Fans want big name, high priced FAs even though that way of attacking FA never works.  I think we had a great first wave of FA, we need some bargain players that can contribute and to have a good draft and we'll have a chance to at least be in the WC mix this year.  Remember, this was almost a total rebuild, we are still far from done and it doesn't happen all in 1-2 offseasons(we reset last offseason).  We will be a lot better as far as talent goes heading into this season than we were last season and hopefully by next offseason we can put the pieces in place to help us become a real contender in the AFC. 

[Cyberjet]

Jetster

 

Be careful you sound reasonable and appear just a bit too optimistic. 

Mac philosophy has always been to try to fill in gaps more need based with free agency so as not to reach for need during the draft. If a strong much higher rated  player is available that is valued significantly more than a perceived need he will go with the value. If the differential is not great enough need will be the deciding factor. I like Mac - he's logical and cool under pressure. Doesn't get emotional about his decisions unlike the Tanny Rex period. 

[Mike135]

I was pissed about the report McCown was named the starter already.  But sounds like that's not the case.  Supposedly the deal with Bridgewater will push him to win the starting gig.  So I imagine they'll let the rookie compete as well.

Other than that, things are going awesome so far!

Keep up the good work Macc.

[Larz]

Season is over, sell your tickets, fire everybody  put up billboards  we can't sign 1 player 

[shuler82]

He writes a post about how great the Jets moves have been by writing mostly about a player they haven’t signed

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

not really, the Jets spent $25m on the QB position and still do not have a QB

Johnson saved the day as the marquee signing and Williamson is another upgrade but currently they replace Claiborne and Davis who played well last year - still a 5-6 win team

Bridgewater and Crowell could provide some short term help for the offense but what is the future?

adding honeybadger would be great but he would take time from Adams and Maye and would not be happy if Bowles is fired next year (as he should be with another 5 win season) Cutting Skrine adds another 2.5m of dead cap plus he seems to actually like Bowles, so the Jets would lose a cheerleader along with a bunch of penalties 

[RoadFan]

The ledge is still full of lemmings, including myself, until the Jets draft a QB at #6...or higher.  None of this other crap matters. 

Personally, I am disappointed they didn't improve the O-line much.  That is where I thought the primary focus should have been in fraud agency.

 

[jgb]

The ledge has nothing to do with one day of free agency. It has to do with 48 consecutive years of embarrassing failure.

It's harder for fans to justify optimism than pessimism IMHO.

[Jetsfan80]

In a vacuum, free agency hasn't been terrible outside of bringing back McCown. 

The problem is we can't trust this regime to draft well, because they've never done it.  So my view of this team and franchise is the same as it was before free agency began. 

[Jetsfan80]

I do like the idea of the next regime potentially getting handed Teddy Bridgewater, however.  That's a decent piece, and he's only 25.   

[T0mShane]

Yeah everybody get up.

 

QB: McCown, Bridgewater, Hackenberg

RB: Crowell, Powell, McGuire

TE: Sterling, Leggett

WR1: Anderson (suspended), Hansen

WR2: Kearse, Peake

WR3: Enunwa, Stewart

OLT: Beachum

OLG: Carpenter

C: Long 

ORG: Winters, Dozier

ORT: Shell, Qvale

K: ?

 

LDE: Williams

NT: McClendom, Pennel 

RDE: ?

ROLB: Jenkins, Martin

LOLB: Maudlin

ILB: Lee, Williamson

CB1: Johnson, Burris

CB2: Roberts

CB3: Skrine

FS: Maye, Miles, Middleton

SS: Adams, Brooks

P: Edwards

[dbatesman]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Yeah everybody get up.

 

QB: McCown, Bridgewater, Hackenberg

RB: Crowell, Powell, McGuire

TE: Sterling, Leggett

WR1: Anderson (suspended), Hansen

WR2: Kearse, Peake

WR3: Enunwa, Stewart

OLT: Beachum

OLG: Carpenter

C: Long 

ORG: Winters, Dozier

ORT: Shell, Qvale

K: ?

 

LDE: Williams

NT: McClendom, Pennel 

RDE: ?

ROLB: Jenkins, Martin

LOLB: Maudlin

ILB: Lee, Williamson

CB1: Johnson, Burris

CB2: Roberts

CB3: Skrine

FS: Maye, Miles, Middleton

SS: Adams, Brooks

P: Edwards

Gotta figure we’ll get at least half a dozen starters out of this draft tho

[T0mShane]

PS: Look at that starting lineup and point to where the biggest immediate need is. (HINT: QB is roughly eight on that list)

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

not really, the Jets spent $25m on the QB position and still do not have a QB

Johnson saved the day as the marquee signing and Williamson is another upgrade but currently they replace Claiborne and Davis who played well last year - still a 5-6 win team

Bridgewater and Crowell could provide some short term help for the offense but what is the future?

adding honeybadger would be great but he would take time from Adams and Maye and would not be happy if Bowles is fired next year (as he should be with another 5 win season) Cutting Skrine adds another 2.5m of dead cap plus he seems to actually like Bowles, so the Jets would lose a cheerleader along with a bunch of penalties 

if we spend $25 million that will mean we solved our QB problem at least for this year b/c Teddy has to hit a ton of incentives to get $15 mil.  I hope he does b/c it will mean he's playing well and we are winning.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Gotta figure we’ll get at least half a dozen starters out of this draft tho

Honey Badger plays five positions too so you have to factor that in

[faba]

Jet fans are notorious for being negative- th e play of the team has warranted it to a great degree but I agree lets continue this off season and draft and get a better perspective on us

[nycdan]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Honey Badger plays five positions too so you have to factor that in

You left out the part where he shoots lightning bolts out of his eyes and farts rainbows.

 

So we have no kicker.  We replaced the worst starting Center in the league with another one that isn't much better, while avoiding two (at least) much better ones.  We have a pedestrian bunch of WRs and TEs and don't get me started on who would be throwing to them this year barring us drafting a QB and Bowles being kidnapped by aliens so our next HC might actually let him play.  Oh and our pass rush was so good last year we didn't need to address it either.  But at least we still have lots of cap room.

Yes...everything is kittens' whiskers here.  We are truly grateful for this front office.

[Adoni Beast]

I am not off the ledge until one of the top quarterbacks is drafted by NYJ. I have taken a couple of nice steps back though.

But, I have put up railing on the ledge, a short one that can limit my falling off, but also act as a diving board if we don’t draft a qb.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

You left out the part where he shoots lightning bolts out of his eyes and farts rainbows.

What the team was missing last year was a high-energy defensive back from LSU who doesn’t really have a position but is very sassy.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 hour ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

not really, the Jets spent $25m on the QB position and still do not have a QB

Johnson saved the day as the marquee signing and Williamson is another upgrade but currently they replace Claiborne and Davis who played well last year - still a 5-6 win team

Bridgewater and Crowell could provide some short term help for the offense but what is the future?

adding honeybadger would be great but he would take time from Adams and Maye and would not be happy if Bowles is fired next year (as he should be with another 5 win season) Cutting Skrine adds another 2.5m of dead cap plus he seems to actually like Bowles, so the Jets would lose a cheerleader along with a bunch of penalties 

I wouldn't say that we still don't have a QB. Bridgewater is a low cost, high reward risk. If he make the 15 million, something went right. If we whiff on him, we lost "only" 5 million. In terms of the NFL, 5 million is a minor inconvenience. We are going to draft a QB. It's just a matter of which tier of QB that is. I wouldn't be shocked if Lamar Jackson is our pick, and I wouldn't be mad either.

[dbatesman]

12 minutes ago, nycdan said:

You left out the part where he shoots lightning bolts out of his eyes and farts rainbows.

 

So we have no kicker.  We replaced the worst starting Center in the league with another one that isn't much better, while avoiding two (at least) much better ones.  We have a pedestrian bunch of WRs and TEs and don't get me started on who would be throwing to them this year barring us drafting a QB and Bowles being kidnapped by aliens so our next HC might actually let him play.  Oh and our pass rush was so good last year we didn't need to address it either.  But at least we still have lots of cap room.

Yes...everything is kittens' whiskers here.  We are truly grateful for this front office.

Got a new ILB tho, dont forget that

[Philc1]

18 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Gotta figure we’ll get at least half a dozen starters out of this draft tho

Why? Macc is drafting a qb who will ride pine at 6 and his track record drafting has been poor at best

[Philc1]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

What the team was missing last year was a high-energy defensive back from LSU who doesn’t really have a position but is very sassy.

THERe is no bigger indictment of how bad the Adams pick was then if we give $45 million to Matthieu 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

12 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I wouldn't say that we still don't have a QB. Bridgewater is a low cost, high reward risk. If he make the 15 million, something went right. If we whiff on him, we lost "only" 5 million. In terms of the NFL, 5 million is a minor inconvenience. We are going to draft a QB. It's just a matter of which tier of QB that is. I wouldn't be shocked if Lamar Jackson is our pick, and I wouldn't be mad either.

We can probably agree that the Jets have a QB for 1 year again (4th year in a row), if Bridgewater does not make it (and I hope he does, liked him in the draft)  the "wiff" will cost at least $15m thanks to McCown - bottom of the league cost for bottom of the league performance - but I am saying there is a chance

[Philc1]

The Trumaine Johnson signing made me feel better but is Macc going to avoid the pressure of doing something really stupid like trading up for Baker Manziel?

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

fans are always on the ledge especially fans of our team.  Fans want big name, high priced FAs even though that way of attacking FA never works.  I think we had a great first wave of FA, we need some bargain players that can contribute and to have a good draft and we'll have a chance to at least be in the WC mix this year.  Remember, this was almost a total rebuild, we are still far from done and it doesn't happen all in 1-2 offseasons(we reset last offseason).  We will be a lot better as far as talent goes heading into this season than we were last season and hopefully by next offseason we can put the pieces in place to help us become a real contender in the AFC. 

I’m not on any ledges.

I just wanted to see some evidence we’re going to change the way we do business, from the abject failures of the past half-decade plus, to something that resembles competency and a modern NFL focus on fielding a competent Offense.

Instead the only meaningful free agent we signed was the best CB on the market. We gave double the money to a 134 year old McCown than Buffalo gave for AJ McCrayon. Bridgewater is a joke signing. The center was signed is sub par. And our RBbarely Powell level with a side order of cop killer fantasies.’

ie same old same old, almost assuredly followed up by BAP/Defense in round 1 of the draft and maybe a second tier QB prospect in the 2/3 round range.

Its just...sad.

[T0mShane]

 Not singling you out, but you see the way you’re talking about Bridgewater? Like he’s a high-potential young guy that may or may not work out? This is why the Jets can and will draft a corner at 6 and start McCown for a minimum ten games. This is exactly why the Jets gave Bridgewater that contract.

[T0mShane]

18 minutes ago, nycdan said:

You left out the part where he shoots lightning bolts out of his eyes and farts rainbows.

 

So we have no kicker.  We replaced the worst starting Center in the league with another one that isn't much better, while avoiding two (at least) much better ones.  We have a pedestrian bunch of WRs and TEs and don't get me started on who would be throwing to them this year barring us drafting a QB and Bowles being kidnapped by aliens so our next HC might actually let him play.  Oh and our pass rush was so good last year we didn't need to address it either.  But at least we still have lots of cap room.

Yes...everything is kittens' whiskers here.  We are truly grateful for this front office.

My favorite current piece of Jets trivia: Two of the Jets biggest current needs are DE and CB. 

[Philc1]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

My favorite current piece of Jets trivia: Two of the Jets biggest current needs are DE and CB. 

FOrgot Free Safety

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Defense wins Championships so moar Defense!

Ugh.

I feel the same (we should have gone hard after Robinson), but upgraded our QB situation (even if it's not sexy), we upgraded at RB, we upgraded our OL (while Long isn't elite he is a huge upgrade over Johnson) and I am pretty confident we will land a TE. 

Meanwhile, free agency isn't over and we have 3 picks in the first 50 or so picks. I am irrationally optimistic that we will address offense with 2/3 of those picks. 

[JiFtheOracle]

Can someone explain to me how the Jets have improved?  Like, how are they better today than they were before Monday?  What position did they upgrade?  A slight upgrade at CB?  What else? 

Because I pretty much see the exact same team as last year with just a different name than Davis and Clairborne and Forte. 

 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, JiF said:

Can someone explain to me how the Jets have improved?  Like, how are they better today than they were before Monday?  What position did they upgrade?  A slight upgrade at CB?  What else? 

Because I pretty much see the exact same team as last year with just a different name than Davis and Clairborne and Forte. 

 

Their whole OL is better with a better C. Crowell is an improvement over an old Forte