I see there's a lot of crowing regarding fa signings...

[Pointdexter]

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

[MDL_JET]

So you wanted to add basically every top free agent. Totally realistic. 

[Bugg]

16 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

Getting a hurt average center still leaves the OL looking pretty awful no matter who is under center. There were some premium OL guys out there and the jets had a ton of cap room. Same thing with WR, which right now is Enumwa and if Anderson can avoid suspension, you got me? This franchise keeps pretending it's going to win games 13-10 with some brilliant shutdown defense that simply doesn't work as the rules are currently enforced. Since the Jets don't have a pass rush, enjoy watching new defenders fail to make a play as opposing offenses extend the play over and over, especially late in the game. There isn't much of a value to any corner if you give a QB all day. The Jets' current coaching staff basically runs plays, but have no idea about strategy or how games tend play out at all. 

Oh, give me the Honey Badger, a new shiny trinket! Scoring points, passing effectively,having a pass rush,  not so much. 

[Jets1958]

17 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

Yep. They didn’t secure everything they need to win it all in 2 Days. Surprised?

[Joe Jets fan]

Once again the idea that offense is important passes these guys right by.  

90 mil and no upgrade to WR, TE, QB  very little if any up grade to OL and RB  

where is the dynamic player to make other teams D coordinator have to plan around?   

 

Now Mac will cave and draft a QB and then get fired and the next GM will have no choice in his new QB    Wtf

 

[Jetsfan80]

No, you are not the only one.  Have you been reading the board?

[Scott Dierking]

7 minutes ago, Jets1958 said:

Yep. They didn’t secure everything they need to win it all in 2 Days. Surprised?

They are in no way prepared for this March Madness tournament thingy I am hearing about.

[SenorGato]

If you see this for the Jets on this site, you must be as annoyed as I am that people have gone from jerking the Broncos to the Bills. The Bills ffs! For losing a WC game and being 7-10 picks below where they want to be! 

The Jets still blow and I think that's acknowledged here, just a wee bit acknowledged.

[prime21]

We went after Cousins and offered more money  and he passed.  We went after Allen and some reports are that we are offered more nut he passed.  What should they do?  Not sign the defensive guys they had interest in until they get some guys on offense 1st?

[UnitedWhofans]

1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

1. They signed a center. That should improve the OL

2. I dont know why people get on the WRs. They forget when Chansi Stuckey was our third receiver.

3. Why would I replace Crowell over Powell? I would put them together

4. What Pass rusher on the market did you want?

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

You can't have a good OL without a quality center. We had the worst center in the NFL which  had a ripple effect on our OL. Long is a huge upgrade at Center. 

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

 

Can excuse not getting a high end edge rusher; it is almost impossible in free agency. But there were great high end OL and WR choices. Jets despite a pile of cap room got none of them. The center you're touting was hurt all of 2107. 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Bugg said:

Can excuse that getting a high end edge rusher; it is almost impossible in free agency. But there were great high end OL and WR choices. Jets despite a pile of cap room got none of them. The center you're touting was hurt all of 2107. 

They signed an OL. 

[Bugg]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

They signed an OL. 

Yes,a  center who was hurt almost all of 2017 and graded out poorly in 2016. By all means, have a parade. 

[Fantasy Island]

2 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

This x 1000000

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Bugg said:

Yes,a  center who was hurt almost all of 2017 and graded out poorly in 2016. By all means, have a parade. 

He was ranked very well by PFF. 19th C. We had the 35th center. You don't call that an improvement?

[Bugg]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

He was ranked very well by PFF. 19th C. We had the 35th center. You don't call that an improvement?

A smaller pile of poop is objectively better than a bigger pile of poop. WE'RE#19! YEAHHHH!!!!

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Bugg said:

A smaller pile of poop is objectively better than a bigger pile of poop. WE'RE#19! YEAHHHH!!!!

If you're going to think like that, you will never be happy. 

[Pointdexter]

2 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Can excuse not getting a high end edge rusher; it is almost impossible in free agency. But there were great high end OL and WR choices. Jets despite a pile of cap room got none of them. The center you're touting was hurt all of 2107. 

This is exactly it. And it wouldn't be half as annoying if this was a one-off situation. Nope, it's the same turd sandwich we have to swallow every year. Completely whiff and/or neglect offensive difference makers.

And can we pls stop with the "what did you want them to do" posts. I want them to acquire good offensive players. I want them not to fail year after year after year in this regard. The same ppl commending Macc for clearing 90 mill of space, cannot then turn around and make excuses for him when he can't turn it into an improved roster. 

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, Pointdexter said:

This is exactly it. And it wouldn't be half as annoying if this was a one-off situation. Nope, it's the same turd sandwich we have to swallow every year. Completely whiff and/or neglect offensive difference makers.

And can we pls stop with the "what did you want them to do" posts. I want them to acquire good offensive players. I want them not to fail year after year after year in this regard. The same ppl commending Macc for clearing 90 mill of space, cannot then turn around and make excuses for him when he can't turn it into an improved roster. 

It is an improved roster. To say it isn't is ignorance of statistics

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Once again the idea that offense is important passes these guys right by.  

90 mil and no upgrade to WR, TE, QB  very little if any up grade to OL and RB  

where is the dynamic player to make other teams D coordinator have to plan around?   

 

Now Mac will cave and draft a QB and then get fired and the next GM will have no choice in his new QB    Wtf

 

While I'm cautious in throwing praise around at this point, it should be noted that we can't really see how Mac is structuring his decisions until the draft is done. I'm not a big fan of paying substantial money to average RB's in FA when the draft is rich in very good prospects. WR? Beyond Robinson, who clearly wanted Chicago, who would you be chasing with big bucks? (Richardson?) TE is same deal. Old guys and injury-prone FA's are not going to change our future. Richburg didn't want us. Norwell stayed in the south with Jax. Giants got desperate and signed Solder. Is Nate Solder worth $66 mill? If the Jets resign Claiborne or pick up Gaines, they will be solid at safety and CB going into the draft. They still need a pass-rushing OLB. They appear to me to be setting up for an offense heavy draft, based on their FA gap fillers. That would make perfect sense.

[ChuckkieB]

It's tough to make significant upgrades via free agency when no one wants to play here.  The league wide player perception of this team is poor and something the Jets need to somehow fix. 

[Fantasy Island]

19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

They signed an OL. 

Who?

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

No, you're not.

We got better at CB.  Defense first and always, of course.

We generally stood pat or got at best very minor upgrades with every other signing. 

Our Offense, one of the worst and least talented in the league, made no material gain so far.

For "the most cap space to spend on FA" we've done piss all to make our offense materially more competitive in 2018 as yet.

[Joe Jets fan]

13 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

While I'm cautious in throwing praise around at this point, it should be noted that we can't really see how Mac is structuring his decisions until the draft is done. I'm not a big fan of paying substantial money to average RB's in FA when the draft is rich in very good prospects. WR? Beyond Robinson, who clearly wanted Chicago, who would you be chasing with big bucks? (Richardson?) TE is same deal. Old guys and injury-prone FA's are not going to change our future. Richburg didn't want us. Norwell stayed in the south with Jax. Giants got desperate and signed Solder. Is Nate Solder worth $66 mill? If the Jets resign Claiborne or pick up Gaines, they will be solid at safety and CB going into the draft. They still need a pass-rushing OLB. They appear to me to be setting up for an offense heavy draft, based on their FA gap fillers. That would make perfect sense.

I agree they are trying and succeeding at helping the D because that’s the only thing they always do. 

WR have been traded and signed.  We are doing neither.  

RB, the kid that went to SF will be dynamic but we never want to pay for offense.   

TE, plenty are and were out there, which one did we sign ?  None. 

 

Its alwYs D for this team

[rillo]

Every year.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

2 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

Crowell isn't upgrading Powell but replacing Forte. Also with Powell turning 30 and going into his last year it's wise to look ahead instead of making it an immediate need next off-season. If we have our second day pick we may still draft a RB.

 

2 hours ago, Bugg said:

 

2 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Once again the idea that offense is important passes these guys right by.  

90 mil and no upgrade to WR, TE, QB  very little if any up grade to OL and RB  

where is the dynamic player to make other teams D coordinator have to plan around?   

 

Now Mac will cave and draft a QB and then get fired and the next GM will have no choice in his new QB    Wtf

 

You can't force guys to take your money. If that were the case we would be better off. Hopefully drafting a QB with some potential, sparks some interest in next years offensive FA class.

[Doggin94it]

2 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

Am I the only one still underwhelmed? Yes, our secondary is better.....our never-ending mission to expend premium resources into the secondary is delivering what appears to be a good group. I know this makes Bowles happy. But seriously is this a win? How many premium draft picks and fa dollars have we dumped into this? Heck, 3 first or 2nd rd draft picks at safety alone in the last 5 yrs. I can't even begin to tally the fa $.

So where does our OL stand after the 90 million of available dollars to spend? How about the improvement to our jag-ridden WR group? Does anyone think Crowell over Powell is a significant improvement? How about that pass rusher we've been searching for the past decade? 

This is what 90 mill delivered? Bowles' all-star d-backfield? Freaking fantastic. 

I'm not saying they miserably failed, far from it, but anyone thinking this team is significantly improved after fa is crazy. 

The OL market in FA was incredibly thin.  It basically consisted of Norwell and Solder, plus assorted centers.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No, you are not the only one.  Have you been reading the board?

Seriously. The negativity on the board makes it almost impossible to read.

[Pointdexter]

Just now, UntouchableCrew said:

Seriously. The negativity on the board makes it almost impossible to read.

Yes, it's clearly just the negativity of the pessimistic board posters. Has nothing to do with 6 wins or less in 3 of the last 4 seasons, while somehow not accumulating any young studs at QB, OL, TE, OLB, or RB, despite multiple high draft picks and the most money in the NFL to throw at free agents. 

Seriously, ppl think us Jets fans revel in the garbage roster management our GMs throw at us? It makes me sick. And I'm sorry me (and others) vocalizing our sick makes you have to hear/face reality.

[slats]

 

48 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

While I'm cautious in throwing praise around at this point, it should be noted that we can't really see how Mac is structuring his decisions until the draft is done. I'm not a big fan of paying substantial money to average RB's in FA when the draft is rich in very good prospects. WR? Beyond Robinson, who clearly wanted Chicago, who would you be chasing with big bucks? (Richardson?) TE is same deal. Old guys and injury-prone FA's are not going to change our future. Richburg didn't want us. Norwell stayed in the south with Jax. Giants got desperate and signed Solder. Is Nate Solder worth $66 mill? If the Jets resign Claiborne or pick up Gaines, they will be solid at safety and CB going into the draft. They still need a pass-rushing OLB. They appear to me to be setting up for an offense heavy draft, based on their FA gap fillers. That would make perfect sense.

I'm with you, here. I'm not a fan of Mac and Bowles, and I think their management of the team clearly turned off some of the better free agents available this year. They targeted some of the right guys but didn't land them. Free agency also isn't over, yet. Saw them linked to Jordan Mathews at WR. Not that he's the greatest, but I don't think I would've been pleased with Sammy Watkins at 3/$48M, either. 

I'd've preferred it if they spent no money on free agent RBs, but the Jets seem to have been in love with veteran RBs around here since Parcells. You've got a position that typically burns out by age 30, you draft them. 

It comes down to the draft, as it always does. Do they make a major shift and go heavy on offense? If they draft QB, OL, RB, OL I think the complaints will die down somewhat (although I'm also sure they would've drafted the wrong ones). I think if that first pick isn't a QB or Chubb (should four QBs go before the sixth pick), the fans will be in full revolt. Really, the torches will probably come out simply of it's not the QB.