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6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Just another non educated article from national media.  The jets did not win nary a game due to ts young feisty defense.

The team went out and got two vet WRs just before the season in kerley and kearse.

The jets played mccown until he got hurt.

There was ZERO tanking going on.  An if that was the strat then the jets as usual screwed it up.

They said numerous times they werent tanking before those moves and they also traded for Davis.  They were all in last year.  No mistake about it.

 

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11 minutes ago, JiF said:

This regime...my gawd.  Basically, plan A was never really a plan because they never actually believed it could happen.  So plan B was the real plan and it was a plan nobody in their right ******* mind would touch.  And the Jets pounced on it as if there was going to be competition to disrupt plan B which was actually plan A.

 

Pretty sure everyone listened to plan A, shook their head and then all went on to do their own plan. 

Plan A: OK everyone, let's do everything we can do get as young as possible and get ourselves in best possible position for next years draft so we can get the top guy.

*Everyone leaves*

Mac: 'Cool i'll stay here at 6 and not grab any additional picks' 

Bowles: 'Ill start McCown!'

 

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Just now, JiF said:

I love how you're neg rep'ing these post as if we dont have 40+ years of evidence to point at and show this is exactly what's going to happen.

 

Obviously the Jets have been incompetent for a long time, particularly with regard to quarterbacks. But between the one year deals for McCown and Bridgewater, that article, and every rumors that has come out -- I don't now how anyone can honestly think it's more likely we take a DB than a QB @ 6. 

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2 minutes ago, Jetmech said:

The Bates logic is scary even for the Jets...

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But, it lacks credibility in that there were rumblings during the season (before it was known whether Cousins would be free or not) , that there was a lack of confidence in Morton as signal caller.

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

I love how you're neg rep'ing these post as if we dont have 40+ years of evidence to point at and show this is exactly what's going to happen.

 

I need to stay in good stead with you as in the future I will need good places to visit in Jacksonville as my youngest will be pitching there over the next 4 years

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1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

Pretty sure everyone listened to plan A, shook their head and then all went on to do their own plan. 

Plan A: OK everyone, let's do everything we can do get as young as possible and get ourselves in best possible position for next years draft so we can get the top guy.

*Everyone leaves*

Mac: 'Cool i'll stay here at 6 and not grab any additional picks' 

Bowles: 'Ill start McCown!'

 

Signing McCown (starting him over 2 draft picks), Kerley, trading for Davis/Kearse, signing Clairborne, Ealy, drafting 2 systems fit S in back to back rounds, retaining Forte/Powell/Winters - they never planned anything other than winning as many games as they could.

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6 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Don't believe everything you read. You are smarter than that.

 

3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

 there were rumblings during the season (before it was known whether Cousins would be free or not) , that there was a lack of confidence in Morton as signal caller.

 

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4 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Obviously the Jets have been incompetent for a long time, particularly with regard to quarterbacks. But between the one year deals for McCown and Bridgewater, that article, and every rumors that has come out -- I don't now how anyone can honestly think it's more likely we take a DB than a QB @ 6. 

There isnt a shred of evidence based on Mac/Bowles history that points to them taking a QB at #6.  1 year deals didnt stop them in the past, why would it now?

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Signing McCown (starting him over 2 draft picks), Kerley, trading for Davis/Kearse, signing Clairborne, Ealy, drafting 2 systems fit S in back to back rounds, retaining Forte/Powell/Winters - they never planned anything other than winning as many games as they could.

Went hard after Hightower, too.

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5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I need to stay in good stead with you as in the future I will need good places to visit in Jacksonville as my youngest will be pitching there over the next 4 years

No ill will brother.  We're just talking Football.  It confuses me how die hard fans who follow this team daily for 30+ years cant see what's going on but all good in the hood.  

UNF or JU? 

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2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

So, the Jets were enamored with Mortons play calling?

Matt Forte and his arthritic knee wanted to run the ball more. I’m also digging this idea that the organization now sees Bates as a QB Whisperer even though Petty regressed and they couldn’t even get Hackenberg on the field.

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But, it lacks credibility in that there were rumblings during the season (before it was known whether Cousins would be free or not) , that there was a lack of confidence in Morton as signal caller.
I know it does but after reading that post it would have been a ridiculous agenda.

I personally believe the Jets tried to be as competitive as possible with the roster they had. See what they had and go from there.

Neither Petty or Hack could beat out MCcown. I don't think the Jets believed MCcown would make it through most of the season let alone be in a playoff position.

Either way if MCcown gets hurt early the Jets are winning 2 games max.



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43 minutes ago, usanyj said:

Should have given hack and petty 8 games each.  Goal is to win the super bowl...you weren't winning the super bowl with mccown and that team. may as well have just benched mccown.  I have said it for a while...if we get none of the top qbs...2017 will be a year we look back on and say was one of the worst years in jets history because of what it brought, or lack thereof 

The Browns played Kizer, Hogan and Kessler.  At times they looked ok.  They are picking first.  They will win at least 6 games next year.  They unloaded Josh McCown.  Why play him?  

28 minutes ago, slats said:

Exactly. They should've been playing them anyway. It would've been a far different thing if they won a few games because of surprising play from a 21-year-old QB rather than a 38-year-old one. 

McCown was always the well-respected loser that people thought could win a few games.  That is better than Petty and Hack.  

Cimini is realizing that Mehta is getting more clicks, so he needs to play nice with the Jets Front Office.  They read this Board and know that the knowledgeable fans think they are imbeciles.  They want to send a message that they really know what they are doing.  If the Johnsons knew what they were doing they would have prohibited Mac from hiring a veteran QB and only play young QBs until the find one.  They could drafted Peterman and others as well.

The Bills and Dolphins are making sure that they do not desperately have to trade up, but they will try.  

I would like to see the ratio of Value Chart traded/Value Chart Value for the Rams/Eagles and other trade ups.  Obviously they were at a premium.  

The Jets need to establish floor bids, so they at least can burn their competition out.  

Assuming Darnold and Rosen grade out as Franchise QBs, I would start the bidding at 2017 1, 2018 1 and 2017 2 for pick 2, and 2017 1 and both 2017 2s for pick 3 (assuming Mayfield).   See where that goes.  

The key here is the Giants-are the punting or making at least a competitive run.  They trade down to 6, they get Nelson.  

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Matt Forte and his arthritic knee wanted to run the ball more. I’m also digging this idea that the organization now sees Bates as a QB Whisperer even though Petty regressed and they couldn’t even get Hackenberg on the field.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/01/john_morton_first_only_season_with_jets_filled_wit.html

And there are many other articles, which I won't wast the space, that claim there was friction throughout the year. Not that this was an end of the year passing fancy based on a possible Cousins reunion.

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4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/01/john_morton_first_only_season_with_jets_filled_wit.html

And there are many other articles, which I won't wast the space, that claim there was friction throughout the year. Not that this was an end of the year passing fancy based on a possible Cousins reunion.

you can't blame this on the qb coaches.  both qbs will be out of the nfl in 2018.

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27 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The optimistic reading of this is that the Jets brain trust gave up on a months-long plan to tank for a quarterback because they thought they could use Jeremy Bates as bait to lure Kirk Cousins here, but he roster is so awful because of the previously mentioned tanking effort that Cousins wouldn’t even give them a courtesy interview.

They gave up a the tank plan when they had a three game winning streak early in the season.

Its also safe to assume, similar to 2015, that the two teams picking at the top, won’t trade down regardless of any offers.  I mean sure, if we give the Giants the next 4 years of #1 and #2 picks, then sure, maybe.

But Clearly the draft is two QBs deep with the other two being much lower on the NFL projection at this point.  So do the Jets sacrifice everything they have to get to three when there is a pretty good chance that Darnold and Rosen are already gone?  With all the questions about Mayfield and Allen, do you have the luxury to give up more than #6 to get one of them?  And is it possible that neither will be there at 6?

So yeah, I think the front office and the fans are both aligned at where we stand.  We are probably screwed.  

That’s why Bridgewater was signed.  We are probably going to have to reach on a project way too early and give Bridgewater every opportunity to win the job in preseason.

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4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/01/john_morton_first_only_season_with_jets_filled_wit.html

And there are many other articles, which I won't wast the space, that claim there was friction throughout the year. Not that this was an end of the year passing fancy based on a possible Cousins reunion.

No, I read all the articles and I’m sure there was friction between Todd, who sucks, and Morton, who tried to bring the offense into the 20th century. A bit of hypocrisy for you, however, sliming me for taking Breer’s article at face value and then directing me to palace intrigue articles regarding Matt Forte wanting the ball more in what was literally his last season in the league.

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Just now, Scott Dierking said:

He will be at NJIT, so will be visiting player to those schools.

Oh, gotcha.  That's pretty cool.  Unfortunately it looks like I'll be traveling when you visit JU.  

Gorgeous campus at JU, just in a real sh*tty area of town.  If I were you, I'd stay at the beaches and just drive/uber to the games.  That part of town is pretty run down and I wouldnt stay at any of the near by hotels.  Downtown has a few decent ones and it's being gentrified but you're better off staying at the beaches.  Lots to do, great food, bars, the beach, etc.  The weather should be perfect that time of the year...not too hot yet. 

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40 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Taking it as gospel as to that was the Jets brass' plan

Rationalize clearing tons of cap space to strip down the roster, followed by Josh McCown being the most significant FA addition. Josh McCown, whose resume included 2 wins in the last zillion starts, and getting injured almost immediately.

Also there's the other damning thing: if they weren't tanking, and felt the 2017 team would be competitive, does that really speak any better of them?

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5 minutes ago, Pcola said:

They gave up a the tank plan when they had a three game winning streak early in the season.

Its also safe to assume, similar to 2015, that the two teams picking at the top, won’t trade down regardless of any offers.  I mean sure, if we give the Giants the next 4 years of #1 and #2 picks, then sure, maybe.

But Clearly the draft is two QBs deep with the other two being much lower on the NFL projection at this point.  So do the Jets sacrifice everything they have to get to three when there is a pretty good chance that Darnold and Rosen are already gone?  With all the questions about Mayfield and Allen, do you have the luxury to give up more than #6 to get one of them?  And is it possible that neither will be there at 6?

So yeah, I think the front office and the fans are both aligned at where we stand.  We are probably screwed.  

That’s why Bridgewater was signed.  We are probably going to have to reach on a project way too early and give Bridgewater every opportunity to win the job in preseason.

Assuming the plan was to tank, if they gave up on the tank after beating Miami, the Jaguars (off of their England trip) and the Browns, then they deserve what’s coming to them. At the time, the Jets were 3-2, as were the Broncos, and the Colts were 2-3: they were still in the top 3 or 4 picks, especially considering they went 1 and 6 immediately after.If they had deluded themselves into thinking they were competitive in any sort of sustainable way, that would be troubling, but consistent with the way they’ve run the team for four years. 

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7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Assuming the plan was to tank, if they gave up on the tank after beating Miami, the Jaguars (off of their England trip) and the Browns, then they deserve what’s coming to them. At the time, the Jets were 3-2, as were the Broncos, and the Colts were 2-3: they were still in the top 3 or 4 picks, especially considering they went 1 and 6 immediately after.If they had deluded themselves into thinking they were competitive in any sort of sustainable way, that would be troubling, but consistent with the way they’ve run the team for four years. 

Well no one could have predicted the NYGs were going to put healthy players on IR to assure they wouldn’t win any more games.  

The Jets were getting hammered by the media for being so bad on paper that the CS felt compelled to win at all costs.  The mistake was bringing in so many vets on short term deals where they had all the incentive to play hard.  McCown, Kearse, Davis, and Claiborne were a big reason we are in the predicament we are in.

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36 minutes ago, JiF said:

There isnt a shred of evidence based on Mac/Bowles history that points to them taking a QB at #6.  1 year deals didnt stop them in the past, why would it now?

Well, we'll see. If we draft a defensive player at 6 I will retract my criticism (and likely kill myself.)

But I think it's pretty clear the table is set to draft a QB.

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Assuming the plan was to tank, if they gave up on the tank after beating Miami, the Jaguars (off of their England trip) and the Browns, then they deserve what’s coming to them. At the time, the Jets were 3-2, as were the Broncos, and the Colts were 2-3: they were still in the top 3 or 4 picks, especially considering they went 1 and 6 immediately after.If they had deluded themselves into thinking they were competitive in any sort of sustainable way, that would be troubling, but consistent with the way they’ve run the team for four years. 
How can the Jets give up on tanking if they were in a BS playoff race?

Look at it this way if Bowles and Kacy weren't as incompetent they probably would've won a couple of more games putting them even further away from the top 4.

It's obvious their tank plan didn't go as planned.

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1 minute ago, Pcola said:

Well no one could have predicted the NYGs were going to put healthy players on IR to assure they wouldn’t win any more games.  

The Jets were getting hammered by the media for being so bad on paper that the CS felt compelled to win at all costs.  The mistake was bringing in so many vets on short term deals where they had all the incentive to play hard.  McCown, Kearse, Davis, and Claiborne were a big reason we are in the predicament we are in.

actually it's not the jets.  the giants season tanked and worse, so did the broncos and texans.  nobody thought all 3 of these teams would suck so bad.  it just goes to show you that anything can happen.  the jets did what they were supposed to do, other teams didn't.

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41 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Well no one could have predicted the NYGs were going to put healthy players on IR to assure they wouldn’t win any more games.  

The Jets were getting hammered by the media for being so bad on paper that the CS felt compelled to win at all costs.  The mistake was bringing in so many vets on short term deals where they had all the incentive to play hard.  McCown, Kearse, Davis, and Claiborne were a big reason we are in the predicament we are in.

Right, but what I’m saying is that they gave up on the tank at 3-2, and still thought they were too good to tank at 4-6? It’s just inconsistent logic, but consistent with the dogs-chasing-cars aesthetic of a franchise where no one is in charge and there’s no organizational philosophy. 

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1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

None of this is new information. They screwed up the tank because McCown played better than anyone dreamed and then we lost a bunch of close games. Of course they were interested in Cousins -- now that they didn't land him we're still going to draft a QB.

This is only a disaster if they're unwilling to do everything in their power to make sure we get the right guy. Sitting at 6 and hoping an acceptable option (or any of the top 4) are still there could doom them. Go get the best possible guy, no matter what. (This could also be a disaster if Maccagnan's "Hackenberg" player evaluation leads him to believe the worst guy is the best guy. Should include that.)

I would rather Mac take a swing and miss than to not swing at all.

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