Macc v. Bowles

[jgb]

Macc can get all the players in the world but grade-F moronski Bowles chooses who to play. Macc should take a page from Billy Beane's playbook:

"Early in the season, the Athletics fare poorly, leading critics to dismiss the new method as a failure. Beane convinces the owner to stay the course. He trades away the lone traditional first baseman, Carlos Peña, to force Howe [A's Manager] to use Hatteberg at that position, threatening to make similar deals if Howe won't cooperate."

[MDL_JET]

That'd be all fine and dandy but uh, Mac is the one writing up the contracts for guys like Forte, Kerley and McCown.

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

That'd be all fine and dandy but uh, Mac is the one writing up the contracts for guys like Forte, Kerley and McCown.

Don’t say Jeremy Kerley lmao. He was worth pennies and we needed the pick up off the waiver wire because we didn’t have any WR depth at the time. He winded up playing his best ball for us in that short time. Forte/McCown. OK.

[joewilly12]

Macc and Bowles neither have clue. 

[Bleedin Green]

While everyone loves the idea of having one, and only one, person to blame for all of the problems, it's not a reality.  They both suck at their respective jobs.  Bowles certainly deserves plenty of criticism, but even when given the opportunities, nearly all of Macc's "big" acquisitions have turned out to be colossal failures.  The next time a Macc signing/pick goes on to have greater success with another team will be the first.  I really have no idea why so many support this idea that Bowles deserves the blame for Macc's own incompetencies.  The problem is not that these guys are on opposite sides in a constant battle, they are on the same side and both suck at it.

[jgb]

Just now, Bleedin Green said:

While everyone loves the idea of having one, and only one, person to blame for all of the problems, it's not a reality.  They both suck at their respective jobs.  Bowles certainly deserves plenty of criticism, but even when given the opportunities, nearly all of Macc's "big" acquisitions have turned out to be colossal failures.  The next time a Macc signing/pick goes on to have greater success with another team will be the first.  I really have no idea why so many support this idea that Bowles deserves the blame for Macc's own incompetencies.  The problem is not that these guys are on opposite sites in a constant battle, they are on the same side and both suck at it.

They're both idiots. running a three legged race with their wieners tied together.

[MDL_JET]

6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Don’t say Jeremy Kerley lmao. He was worth pennies and we needed the pick up off the waiver wire because we didn’t have any WR depth at the time. He winded up playing his best ball for us in that short time. Forte/McCown. OK.

We had just drafted 2 WR's in the 3rd and 4th round. And kerley signs and comes in right away to play at #3. Wtf for? Play hansen or stewart.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

We had just drafted 2 WR's in the 3rd and 4th round. And kerley signs and comes in right away to play at #3. Wtf for? Play hansen or stewart.

i think you just solved the mystery. we drafted bums. which is why it's perplexing that Macc doesn't trade away his late mid and late round picks like nickels. The guy is putrid outside of Kiper's top available in the 1st round.

[MDL_JET]

Just now, jgb said:

i think you just solved the mystery. we drafted bums.

Actually read that the coaches really like Hansen. Stewart......not so much. 

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

We had just drafted 2 WR's in the 3rd and 4th round. And kerley signs and comes in right away to play at #3. Wtf for? Play hansen or stewart.

Yeah, that part is the odd part of it all. I think Hansen can be good though.

[jgb]

Just now, MDL_JET said:

Actually read that the coaches really like Hansen. Stewart......not so much. 

ok then put his arse on the field and let's see it. 

[joewilly12]

5 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

We had just drafted 2 WR's in the 3rd and 4th round. And kerley signs and comes in right away to play at #3. Wtf for? Play hansen or stewart.

All JAG's we lack a #1 WR. 

[MDL_JET]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

All JAG's we lack a #1 WR. 

#1 WR is a myth. 

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

#1 WR is a myth. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

#1 WR is a myth. 

on the jets, definitely.

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38 minutes ago, jgb said:

Macc can get all the players in the world but grade-F moronski Bowles chooses who to play. Macc should take a page from Billy Beane's playbook:

"Early in the season, the Athletics fare poorly, leading critics to dismiss the new method as a failure. Beane convinces the owner to stay the course. He trades away the lone traditional first baseman, Carlos Peña, to force Howe [A's Manager] to use Hatteberg at that position, threatening to make similar deals if Howe won't cooperate."

I have a different stance than most. I blame Macc and Bowles together for our short comings but I do believe Bowles will play a rookie if he is the best QB. From everything I saw from Geno, Petty, & Hack, I have no reason to believe Bowles hasn't played the best QB on the roster, it's purely a coincidence that those QBs happen to be old journeymen. I only came to that determination this passed season when they basically force fed Hack in the preseason. It seemed clear as day that they wanted him to be the starter, especially considering McCowns contract only paid him for games he started.

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I have a different stance than most. I blame Macc and Bowles together for our short comings but I do believe Bowles will play a rookie if he is the best QB. From everything I saw from Geno, Petty, & Hack, I have no reason to believe Bowles hasn't played the best QB on the roster, it's purely a coincidence that those QBs happen to be old journeymen. I only came to that determination this passed season when they basically force fed Hack in the preseason. It seemed clear as day that they wanted him to be the starter, especially considering McCowns contract only paid him for games he started.

I hope you're right but after the season is lost refusing to play a rookie HE CHOSE to keep on the game day roster all year is not a good look.

[ZachEY]

47 minutes ago, jgb said:

Macc can get all the players in the world but grade-F moronski Bowles chooses who to play. Macc should take a page from Billy Beane's playbook:

"Early in the season, the Athletics fare poorly, leading critics to dismiss the new method as a failure. Beane convinces the owner to stay the course. He trades away the lone traditional first baseman, Carlos Peña, to force Howe [A's Manager] to use Hatteberg at that position, threatening to make similar deals if Howe won't cooperate."

Which player should Bowles have played last year, that he didn't?

[jgb]

Just now, gEYno said:

Which player should Bowles have played last year, that he didn't?

after season was out of reach, throw hack in there. otherwise WTF keep him on the game day roster? makes no sense.

[ZachEY]

Just now, jgb said:

after season was out of reach, throw hack in there. otherwise WTF keep him on the game day roster? makes no sense.

I have a suspicion that Macc may be just as content having Hack on the bench not embarrassing him, rather than in the games.

If Hackenberg were anything but trash, you'd have heard the rumblings.  This team has never been short on "anonymous sources" and I just don't have any reason to believe anything but the simplest answer is true here, that Hack is just dreadful.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

I have a suspicion that Macc may be just as content having Hack on the bench not embarrassing him, rather than in the games.

If Hackenberg were anything but trash, you'd have heard the rumblings.  This team has never been short on "anonymous sources" and I just don't have any reason to believe anything but the simplest answer is true here, that Hack is just dreadful.

agree so why active on game days? pure ego face saving move. practice squad time for the hack meister--which he is lucky any other team would've cut him but Macc is stubborn as hell

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5 minutes ago, jgb said:

I hope you're right but after the season is lost refusing to play a rookie HE CHOSE to keep on the game day roster all year is not a good look.

If they know Petty and Hack aren't the answer then I see no reason to play them. Get the rest of the roster competent reps instead. I think accuracy and blocking assignments are something that can be tested in practice and thus don't need playing time, as much as us fans really wanted to just be entertained by a young QB.

[jgb]

Just now, bla bla bla said:

If they know Petty and Hack aren't the answer then I see no reason to play them. Get the rest of the roster competent reps instead. I think accuracy and blocking assignments are something that can be tested in practice and thus don't need playing time, as much as us fans really wanted to just be entertained by a young QB.

agree but why was hack active when there was zero chance in hell they would let him throw a pass? they would've gone to the wildcat before letting hack give fans in the front row concussions with errant balls.

[ChuckkieB]

As much as I dislike Bowles, I believe that Mac has done a worse job.  Going into year 4, the roster is in worse shape than the day he took over.  Bowles might be a poor coach, but when you're given a roster full of holes to play with, what can you realistically expect?

[JiFtheOracle]

Just now, jgb said:

agree but why was hack active when there was zero chance in hell they would let him throw a pass? they would've gone to the wildcat before letting hack give fans in the front row concussions with errant balls.

It's going to be so juicy when Hack is retained because he had a really great offseason.  

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Just now, jgb said:

agree but why was hack active when there was zero chance in hell they would let him throw a pass? they would've gone to the wildcat before letting hack give fans in the front row concussions with errant balls.

I think they would have played him if Petty got hurt but I don't think they really wanted to play either of those guys. I think that is part of the reason they signed McCown and Teddy. They knew how incompetent our back up situation was.

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, JiF said:

It's going to be so juicy when Hack is retained because he had a really great offseason.  

I cannot see a single outcome other than practice squad and feigned disappointment when some other team "steals" him. You'll know it because rather than try to stealthy stash him, the Jets will talk about his potential incessantly after they move him there. Macc will throw a party with hookers and blow immediately after the Texans pick him up.

[bla bla bla]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

It's going to be so juicy when Hack is retained because he had a really great offseason.  

Inless there is a financial benefit to cutting Hack I don't see why we wouldn't give him all of preseason to hopefully turn into trade bait.

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

agree so why active on game days? pure ego face saving move. practice squad time for the hack meister--which he is lucky any other team would've cut him but Macc is stubborn as hell

I guess if there were injuries, they'd have put him in.  I have no idea.  But, wouldn't practice squad be a Macc decision too, or at least combined?

My whole point of engaging is that I think the "Bowles only plays vets" is exaggerated.  There are many negative things to say about Bowles, but, at least at the QB position, the vet he's had to work with has, as far as we can tell, always been by far the best option.

Bryce Petty was a 4th round pick that didn't project well and hackenberg was called undraftable by a pretty popular/reputable analytics site.  I really don't believe promising talent has been held back.  Doesn't make Todd Bowles a good coach, just also doesn't make him the biggest, or close to biggest problem of the Jets during his tenure.

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

Inless there is a financial benefit to cutting Hack I don't see why we wouldn't give him all of preseason to hopefully turn into trade bait.

Exactly.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I think they would have played him if Petty got hurt but I don't think they really wanted to play either of those guys. I think that is part of the reason they signed McCown and Teddy. They knew how incompetent our back up situation was.

If they would've played him if Petty got hurt, they would've thrown him out there in week 17 why not? It was an ego move. They never would've put him out there. Tom Tupa was a better option.

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Inless there is a financial benefit to cutting Hack I don't see why we wouldn't give him all of preseason to hopefully turn into trade bait.

There is a 0% Hack becomes trade bait. When the team with the worst QB situation in the league won't even put him into garbage time, no one is giving up a damn thing for him. It's practice squad (most likely for Macc to save a modicum of face) or straight up cut (unlikely because Macc is Idzik-level stubborn).

[RedBeardedSavage]

Macc inherited a bad roster and after three years it's just as bad.

Bowles either loses the team in a season when we're expecting wins or wins a few extra games in a season when we're tanking.  

 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Macc inherited a bad roster and after three years it's just as bad.

Bowles either loses the team in a season where we're expecting wins or wins a few extra games in a season where we're tanking.  

 

Macc may be the first GM in the league to have the opportunity to spend $60M+ in salary cap twice within three seasons.

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29 minutes ago, jgb said:

There is a 0% Hack becomes trade bait. When the team with the worst QB situation in the league won't even put him into garbage time, no one is giving up a damn thing for him. It's practice squad (most likely for Macc to save a modicum of face) or straight up cut (unlikely because Macc is Idzik-level stubborn).

It's not even so much Hack becoming trade bait. I think if there is a .01% chance he does become trade bait then it's worth keeping him until final cuts. The real reason to hold onto him is if Teddy can become trade bait (assuming the rookie looks good) then at the very least you have a 3rd string QB who has been here plus a pick for Teddy. The absolute worst case scenario is we cut him at final cut down day and roll with McCown + Teddy + Rookie.