Am I the only poster who thinks we gave up an extra pick?

[j4jets]

Maybe I got spoiled with the 2009 trade we made for Sanchez, moving from 17th to 5th, giving up a 2nd and a bunch of soon-to-be insurance agents. 

[jbt]

no not with the threat of the bills or another team trading up

[slimjasi]

That was a unique situation because Mangini  was familiar with our players and we had guys he liked. At the time, most peolple felt that the Browns didn’t get enough back from us. 

That trade was basically Mangini hooking MR. T up. 

[BCJet]

Im a little surprised that everyone thinks it was a heist only giving up 3 second rounders.

I dont think the price is too much in general, but we could still easily see Darnold and Rosen go 1-2.

We also have holes on this team - I'm surprised we couldn't get it done for one less pick, but in the end if we get a franchise QB nothing else matters.

[jbt]

also if we get our QB of the future it will not matter

 

our biggest hole for 50 years has been QB.  need that before we can win anything

[Adoni Beast]

Aside from Harris / Maye our second rounders have accumulated absolutely nothing.

On another note, even if we historically did well in the 2nd, I’d happily give up these picks for a franchise quarterback. I’m just excited we still kept our first next year. Texans, Eagles, Rams, Chiefs all had to give up future firsts, and the Bills will have too as well this year when they trade into the top 5.

[Dcronin]

Its fine. Its totally fine. So happy!!!!


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[pointman]

We traded in some "maybes", a few complimentary players (based on our history), for a higher percentage chance at a winner. A QB that could be the franchise face, leader for decade and a half. 

[Joe W. Namath]

The Colts got a great deal.  But so did we if we nail the qb.  It was a fair trade on both sides. 

Im sure Mac originally offered a 2nd this year and a 2nd next and the Colts negotiated to get another second.

You had to make the move now and not wait.  Parting w/ the third 2nd sux but it had to be done.

[Sarge4Tide]

Sometimes you have to say "Screw It" and push all your chips to the middle

[The Crimson King]

The point here is that if the pick turns out like Lam Jones or Mark Sanchez, this is a disaster 

The counterpoint is that sometimes you have to pull a Joel Goodson and go for Princeton

Both good points and we will not know for several years how this will go, but I have to admit that the disaster scenario was the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw the news

[j4jets]

10 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The Colts got a great deal.  But so did we if we nail the qb.  It was a fair trade on both sides. 

Im sure Mac originally offered a 2nd this year and a 2nd next and the Colts negotiated to get another second.

You had to make the move now and not wait.  Parting w/ the third 2nd sux but it had to be done.

What’s stopping the Giants to move out, leaving us with the lesser two of the top 4 QBs?

[Long Island Leprechaun]

The Jets gave themselves life for the cost of two present second rounders and 1 next year's second. That's a bargain for a future franchise QB. That's what they're playing for here. Anybody who really thinks this was a bad deal for the Jets is crazy. THEY HAD TO TRADE UP. The alternative was another year of waiting to be in the game.

[nycdan]

Just now, j4jets said:

What’s stopping the Giants to move out, leaving us with the lesser two of the top 4 QBs?

Assume we offered the Giants at least what we offered IND, maybe a little more.  They already declined.  Assume BUF made a very good offer to IND for the pick, but IND chose our offer.  Therefore the price to move up to the Giants will be more than what we paid, which is more than what BUF offered already, assuming the Giants even want to move down and are willing to go as low as 12.  That's a lot of 'if's.  Could happen but not likely.  I'd be more concerned about DEN moving up if they didn't already have Keenum which makes me think they might stand pat and hope Allen drops to them.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

You have to factor in that we are competing with other teams to move up. You not only have to give up picks based on the draft value chart, but you have to outbid other teams. This was a relatively painless trade. If we gave up next year's #1, it would have stung a little. 

[Larz]

I have been a fan since 1982. I have yet to experience what it feels like to draft a QB that is all ours, not some other teams cast off, that goes on to be the best QB in the division for years 

I still may not, but quibbling over the cost seems to miss the big picture. 

 

 

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

I have been a fan since 1982. I have yet to experience what it feels like to draft a QB that is all ours, not some other teams cast off, that goes on to be the best QB in the division for years 

I still may not, but quibbling over the cost seems to miss the big picture. 

 

 

Just curious.  Do you not consider Pennington and Sanchez to be in that category?  Forget hindsight.  They were our 1st round picks and Pennington was the 1st QB taken that year if I recall correctly.  I know I was pretty excited about both at the time.

True, they didn't go on to be the best QB in the division but you can't control that.  

[SR24]

Mac finally did what he was supposed to. Got aggressive and moved up at whatever the cost I've been as skeptical of him as anyone but holy hell I love what he's done this off season. 

[Tinstar]

Teddy Bridgewater just became the most important player on the Jets roster and today's trade explains why he was signed . 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, j4jets said:

Maybe I got spoiled with the 2009 trade we made for Sanchez, moving from 17th to 5th, giving up a 2nd and a bunch of soon-to-be insurance agents. 

Thing to remember is that move wasn't going to get any cheaper. So if you feel you have to move to get your guy you do it now. Price only go's up as we get closer.

[Larz]

11 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Just curious.  Do you not consider Pennington and Sanchez to be in that category?  Forget hindsight.  They were our 1st round picks and Pennington was the 1st QB taken that year if I recall correctly.  I know I was pretty excited about both at the time.

True, they didn't go on to be the best QB in the division but you can't control that.  

No. My criteria is "feared" or "era" 

Marino, kelly, cheater 

Cheater is getting old. If we get a guy, develop him and keep him, that's 10 years. 

If he is the best QB in the division years 3-7 nobody will remember the 3rd second rounder 

[kelly]

34 minutes ago, pointman said:

We traded in some "maybes", a few complimentary players (based on our history), for a higher percentage chance at a winner. A QB that could be the franchise face, leader for decade and a half. 

agreed !.. now it's up to mac to make the pick    

[Il Mostro]

If they get the pick right, the price paid is fine.  The present consensus is that this is a pretty good crop of QB's compared to next year. With the dire need at the position and competition likely from other teams trying to move up, they did what they had to do.  They could have been half-assed about it and wound up getting bitten in the ass.  

[Dcat]

49 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Maybe I got spoiled with the 2009 trade we made for Sanchez, moving from 17th to 5th, giving up a 2nd and a bunch of soon-to-be insurance agents. 

that was a one-sided trade in favor of the jets.  Tanny really raped Mangini on that one.

Because it's a QB frenzy, we had to give up more than the draft value chart... in this case about 50% more.

[Bocajetfan]

43 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Aside from Harris / Maye our second rounders have accumulated absolutely nothing.

On another note, even if we historically did well in the 2nd, I’d happily give up these picks for a franchise quarterback. I’m just excited we still kept our first next year. Texans, Eagles, Rams, Chiefs all had to give up future firsts, and the Bills will have too as well this year when they trade into the top 5.

Totally agree with this post. The three #2’s was something Mac felt the organization could live with. Giving up a future 1 was a deal breaker and Mac I am sure played hardball over the thought of it.

[MDL_JET]

48 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Aside from Harris / Maye our second rounders have accumulated absolutely nothing.

On another note, even if we historically did well in the 2nd, I’d happily give up these picks for a franchise quarterback. I’m just excited we still kept our first next year. Texans, Eagles, Rams, Chiefs all had to give up future firsts, and the Bills will have too as well this year when they trade into the top 5.

Even though our history with 2nd rounders isn't good, that's still 3 potential starters we won't have but for a franchise QB who the hell cares? 

And holding on to the first next year is crucial. It's not crippling us at all. We can still end up picking high next year and end up trading that pick to a QB needy team for a ton. 

[KRL]

By the draft chart we gave up too much BUT the chart doesn't take into account

the "QB factor".  When a QB is involved you must pay a premium to get the pick.

Simple

[KINGDIRK]

I respect everyone’s opinions. But anyone who thinks we gave up too much is an idiot lol. 

Most important position in sports in QB. We haven’t had a long term answer there in how long? 

We didnt give up a 1. And also the move is not just offensive- it was defensive cuz now no one else can trade up with Colts. 

 

 

 

 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Yes, they gave up an extra pick but it is the cost of doing business, they did not get screwed, just stepped up and paid market price, looks like Mac learned from caving on the trade up for Wentz 

 

considering 3 of the top 4 FA's turned down more money from the Jets to play for other teams, an extra 2nd is cheap to save this team from the abyss

[Dcat]

51 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The Colts got a great deal.  But so did we if we nail the qb.  It was a fair trade on both sides. 

Im sure Mac originally offered a 2nd this year and a 2nd next and the Colts negotiated to get another second.

You had to make the move now and not wait.  Parting w/ the third 2nd sux but it had to be done.

^This pretty much sums it up.  Good post.

[UnitedWhofans]

57 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Maybe I got spoiled with the 2009 trade we made for Sanchez, moving from 17th to 5th, giving up a 2nd and a bunch of soon-to-be insurance agents. 

As long as they didnt give up next year's 1, I would be happy

[Pac]

50 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Sometimes you have to say "Screw It" and push all your chips to the middle

Pretty much this..  I don't think either team won the trade right now but I'd imagine both fan bases feel like they did.

Hopefully we'll see a flurry of activity with what's left of FA.  The 1 year deals being doled out are allowing for cap flexibility next year as well.

Things are shaping up quite nicely..  Macc es en fuego.

[southparkcpa]

1 hour ago, j4jets said:

Maybe I got spoiled with the 2009 trade we made for Sanchez, moving from 17th to 5th, giving up a 2nd and a bunch of soon-to-be insurance agents. 

Unfortunately this is the market.  We NEED absolutely NEED a QB, Colts don't.  I would have like to have ONLY given up 2 seconds but ....   we haven't had a 2nd round pick play in 10 years so you could argue we gave up nothing.

[Dcat]

37 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Assume we offered the Giants at least what we offered IND, maybe a little more.  They already declined.  Assume BUF made a very good offer to IND for the pick, but IND chose our offer.  Therefore the price to move up to the Giants will be more than what we paid, which is more than what BUF offered already, assuming the Giants even want to move down and are willing to go as low as 12.  That's a lot of 'if's.  Could happen but not likely.  I'd be more concerned about DEN moving up if they didn't already have Keenum which makes me think they might stand pat and hope Allen drops to them.

Of course Indi chose our offer over anything Buffalo promised.  Because the Colts now get the #6 pick (not the #12 Bills pick) and are virtually guaranteed to get one of the two same exact players they coveted at #3: Chubb, most likely will be there with an outside chance at Barkley.

Colts played this well.  At #12 (Bills spot) they weren't getting either Chubb or Barkley.  At 6 they have like a 90%+ chance of getting one of those along with 3 extra round 2 picks in the next 2 drafts.  Fantastic deal for the Colts if they still get one of their two guys (Chubb or Barkley).

[20andOut]

5 years from now (or maybe only 3) nobody will be valuating this deal based on whether we should or shouldn't have given up a third second rounder but rather on the success/ failure of the player/QB that we end up taking with the pick.