Good Day to be a Jets fan

[Jets723]

Obviously we have all suffered more bad days than good days as Jet fans but hopefully this will mark the beginning of a great future if we snag the right QB.  Great Move by Macc.   LETS GO JETS!!!!

[redlichtie]

If

[RedBeardedSavage]

4 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

If

A laconic phrase may be used for efficiency (as in military jargon), for philosophical reasons (especially among thinkers who believe in minimalism, such as Stoics), or to better deflate a pompous individual (a famous example being at the Battle of Thermopylae).

Another prominent example involves Philip II of Macedon. After invading southern Greece and receiving the submission of other key city-states, he turned his attention to Sparta and asked menacingly whether he should come as friend or foe; the reply was "Neither."^[3] Losing patience, he sent the message:

You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city.^[4]

The Spartan ephors again replied with a single word:

If.^[5]

Subsequently, neither Philip nor his son Alexander the Great attempted to capture the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Jets723 said:

Obviously we have all suffered more bad days than good days as Jet fans but hopefully this will mark the beginning of a great future if we snag the right QB.  Great Move by Macc.   LETS GO JETS!!!!

“QB great move by Mac?”  We can all agree  it will be his first one. Here is to new beginnings! 

[pointman]

This is going to be an awesome and fun season. 

[mkajet01]

Finally jets get their qb! Baker Mayfield!

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[j4jets]

Actually, this move will eaither come back to haunt us if we whiff, or it’ll give Macc a few extra years as GM. 

[Patriot Killa]

15 minutes ago, mkajet01 said:

Finally jets get their qb! Baker Mayfield!

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For three second rounders? I think not.

Rosen, please.

[Lupz27]

1 hour ago, Jets723 said:

Obviously we have all suffered more bad days than good days as Jet fans but hopefully this will mark the beginning of a great future if we snag the right QB.  Great Move by Macc.   LETS GO JETS!!!!

Meh let me see what Macc does with the pick.

[nyjunc]

If we can't get excited now then there's just no hope.  we may end up picking the wrong guy but worry about that down the road.  we have had an excellent offseason and we are setting up for a nice run in the coming years if we hit on the QB(whether Teddy or the draft pick become the franchise QB)

[T0mShane]

Fun fact: The Jets will have roughly $120 million dollars in cap space at the start of next season, and could reasonably be in position to move on from Todd and/or Maccagnan, assuming they go 6-10 or worse, which seems pretty reasonable. Assuming they draft Rosen or Mayfield, the Jets job could be a sneaky attractive gig for a real, live GM candidate to come into now. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

Rebuilding is fun. 

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Fun fact: The Jets will have roughly $120 million dollars in cap space at the start of next season, and could reasonably be in position to move on from Todd and/or Maccagnan, assuming they go 6-10 or worse, which seems pretty reasonable. Assuming they draft Rosen or Mayfield, the Jets job could be a sneaky attractive gig for a real, live GM candidate to come into now. 

Dream on. Chrissy will say this not only represents literal improvement from 5-11, indicating we're trending in the right direction, but that this new 6-10 QB will prevent getting turned down by a few high-end FAs like we had happen last week. Then I think somehow at least Macc keeps his job, so he hires a HC that will de facto extend Macc for at least 2 (if not 3) additional seasons. Then again, even I never envisioned - beyond joking around - that all 3 of Macc's top FA targets (Cousins, Robinson, Norwell) turned him down despite his reportedly being the high bidder for each. I mean who's ever heard of such a thing before?

I fully expected things to get better than the year before, just by virtue of how low the starting point was, how much spending ability we had, and how many QBs were projected at the top of this draft. That doesn't magically make us anything, of course. I mean best QB of this draft is unlikely to be as good or productive as a post-2010 Brees, and he still QB'd the Saints to a 7-9 record 4 times in a recent 5-year span.

And really, is it so far-fetched to see the draft start out Rosen & Darnold (in whatever order)? Or even Allen-Rosen, with the Jets drafting Darnold who becomes the next USC bust? Whether you think these things likely or not, they aren't nearly in the no-****ing-way stratosphere. Of course these and other suboptimal situations could happen over optimal ones.

After a pair of 5-win seasons - they still had to trade 3 higher draft picks to get in a position to maybe get one draft's 3rd-best QB prospect. It'll be a good day to be a Jets fan when this actually pans out with results. Many of these same people surely felt it was a great time to be a Jets fan on August 1, 2016. 

[Larz]

So that 45 minutes of optimism yesterday was fun 

 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Dream on. Chrissy will say this not only represents literal improvement from 5-11, indicating we're trending in the right direction, but that this new 6-10 QB will prevent getting turned down by a few high-end FAs like we had happen last week. Then I think somehow at least Macc keeps his job, so he hires a HC that will de facto extend Macc for at least 2 (if not 3) additional seasons. Then again, even I never envisioned - beyond joking around - that all 3 of Macc's top FA targets (Cousins, Robinson, Norwell) turned him down despite his reportedly being the high bidder for each. I mean who's ever heard of such a thing before?

I fully expected things to get better than the year before, just by virtue of how low the starting point was, how much spending ability we had, and how many QBs were projected at the top of this draft. That doesn't magically make us anything, of course. I mean best QB of this draft is unlikely to be as good or productive as a post-2010 Brees, and he still QB'd the Saints to a 7-9 record 4 times in a recent 5-year span.

And really, is it so far-fetched to see the draft start out Rosen & Darnold (in whatever order)? Or even Allen-Rosen, with the Jets drafting Darnold who becomes the next USC bust? Whether you think these things likely or not, they aren't nearly in the no-****ing-way stratosphere. Of course these and other suboptimal situations could happen over optimal ones.

After a pair of 5-win seasons - they still had to trade 3 higher draft picks to get in a position to maybe get one draft's 3rd-best QB prospect. It'll be a good day to be a Jets fan when this actually pans out with results. Many of these same people surely felt it was a great time to be a Jets fan on August 1, 2016. 

I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’m curious to see how it plays out. On paper, the team isn’t good, even with the rookie QB, so I want to see if the team is publicly skewered in the media, which has always been the barometer that Woody used to fire his coaches. I don’t see a way that Todd jumps a rookie over McCown and Bridgewater, either, which will infuriate fans. There’s a chance it could get ugly, because Todd and Maccagnan are dim enough to conspire against themselves.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Dream on. Chrissy will say this not only represents literal improvement from 5-11, indicating we're trending in the right direction, but that this new 6-10 QB will prevent getting turned down by a few high-end FAs like we had happen last week. Then I think somehow at least Macc keeps his job, so he hires a HC that will de facto extend Macc for at least 2 (if not 3) additional seasons. Then again, even I never envisioned - beyond joking around - that all 3 of Macc's top FA targets (Cousins, Robinson, Norwell) turned him down despite his reportedly being the high bidder for each. I mean who's ever heard of such a thing before?

I fully expected things to get better than the year before, just by virtue of how low the starting point was, how much spending ability we had, and how many QBs were projected at the top of this draft. That doesn't magically make us anything, of course. I mean best QB of this draft is unlikely to be as good or productive as a post-2010 Brees, and he still QB'd the Saints to a 7-9 record 4 times in a recent 5-year span.

And really, is it so far-fetched to see the draft start out Rosen & Darnold (in whatever order)? Or even Allen-Rosen, with the Jets drafting Darnold who becomes the next USC bust? Whether you think these things likely or not, they aren't nearly in the no-****ing-way stratosphere. Of course these and other suboptimal situations could happen over optimal ones.

After a pair of 5-win seasons - they still had to trade 3 higher draft picks to get in a position to maybe get one draft's 3rd-best QB prospect. It'll be a good day to be a Jets fan when this actually pans out with results. Many of these same people surely felt it was a great time to be a Jets fan on August 1, 2016. 

I think most people are that way. I've said this before. You have to understand how many fans fundamentally do not believe that winning and losing happen for actual reasons. They don't think about it in these terms, of course, but that's essentially what it comes down to. My mom is like this. She's always legitimately baffled when I tell her how good the Jets are going to be and why before the season even starts like it's some kind of witchcraft. These people aren't contemptible idiots but at the same time it sure isn't anything to be ******* proud of.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I think most people are that way. I've said this before. You have to understand how many fans fundamentally do not believe that winning and losing happen for actual reasons. They don't think about it in these terms, of course, but that's essentially what it comes down to. My mom is like this. She's always legitimately baffled when I tell her how good the Jets are going to be and why before the season even starts like it's some kind of witchcraft. These people aren't contemptible idiots but at the same time it sure isn't anything to be ******* proud of.

So wait, winning and losing is NOT based on any particular emotion that I am feeling at any particular time? Interesting. And what percentage of fans feel this way? Just asking for source quotes in my upcoming book "Fans, and what they are thinking, and why my mom looks at me funny".

[Thai Jet]

16 hours ago, redlichtie said:

If

IF  There I fixed it. lol 

[Larz]

I was all on for the Theo /cubs rebuild where ownership buys in to some losing to win. 

Woody even put out a statement on it. 

Then they went out and got McCown. 

Yes, that cost them 3 picks. Yes they did that to themselves 

The Jets are my hobby and I try to enjoy it as much as I can 

So forgive me if I am looking forward to our own rookie QB to start a bromance with 

Look on the brightside, Tom is off the whole Fitzpatrick thing, that's worth a 2nd alone. 

[Thai Jet]

16 hours ago, mkajet01 said:

Finally jets get their qb! Baker Mayfield!

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IMHO I don't think Macc traded 3 2nd round picks to grab Mayfield but at this point, who the hell knows ?

[FidelioJet]

21 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Dream on. Chrissy will say this not only represents literal improvement from 5-11, indicating we're trending in the right direction, but that this new 6-10 QB will prevent getting turned down by a few high-end FAs like we had happen last week. Then I think somehow at least Macc keeps his job, so he hires a HC that will de facto extend Macc for at least 2 (if not 3) additional seasons. Then again, even I never envisioned - beyond joking around - that all 3 of Macc's top FA targets (Cousins, Robinson, Norwell) turned him down despite his reportedly being the high bidder for each. I mean who's ever heard of such a thing before?

I fully expected things to get better than the year before, just by virtue of how low the starting point was, how much spending ability we had, and how many QBs were projected at the top of this draft. That doesn't magically make us anything, of course. I mean best QB of this draft is unlikely to be as good or productive as a post-2010 Brees, and he still QB'd the Saints to a 7-9 record 4 times in a recent 5-year span.

And really, is it so far-fetched to see the draft start out Rosen & Darnold (in whatever order)? Or even Allen-Rosen, with the Jets drafting Darnold who becomes the next USC bust? Whether you think these things likely or not, they aren't nearly in the no-****ing-way stratosphere. Of course these and other suboptimal situations could happen over optimal ones.

After a pair of 5-win seasons - they still had to trade 3 higher draft picks to get in a position to maybe get one draft's 3rd-best QB prospect. It'll be a good day to be a Jets fan when this actually pans out with results. Many of these same people surely felt it was a great time to be a Jets fan on August 1, 2016. 

This sounds to me that as fans we should never be optimistic, until they win a superbowl?

We're fans and should be optimistic and excited right now.  Excitement doesn't mean assured or even likely success, we all understand that - but there's potential right now - and that's enough for me to say today is a good day to be a Jet Fan!

 

[Sperm Edwards]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’m curious to see how it plays out. On paper, the team isn’t good, even with the rookie QB, so I want to see if the team is publicly skewered in the media, which has always been the barometer that Woody used to fire his coaches. I don’t see a way that Todd jumps a rookie over McCown and Bridgewater, either, which will infuriate fans. There’s a chance it could get ugly, because Todd and Maccagnan are dim enough to conspire against themselves.

Lol, agreed on most of it.

I can at least understand Bowles for playing veteran QBs, as much you and I and as most fans wanted to see someone with at least some theoretical long-term possibility of hope.

I've said more than a couple times, though, keeping Hackenberg on the bench for Fitz or McCown (or Petty) ≠ keeping a #3 overall pick QB on the bench. Bowles and all the offensive coaches - and all the players - all see these QB kids in practice and they know a trainwreck when they see it. He may be a bad HC but he's not irretrievably stupid. 5 wins and team support is better for him than 2 wins and a mutiny. So in fairness to Bowles, he didn't want Macc's employment problems stemming from drafting Hackenberg early to become his own problems by playing him. You probably wouldn't either.

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

This sounds to me that as fans we should never be optimistic, until they win a superbowl?

We're fans and should be optimistic and excited right now.  Excitement doesn't mean assured or even likely success, we all understand that - but there's potential right now - and that's enough for me to say today is a good day to be a Jet Fan!

 

If you wanted to twist my words, then I supposed that's how you may want to interpret it.

A more correct interpretation is that there isn't necessarily potential right now. There's more the potential for potential.

[Warfish]

17 hours ago, Jets723 said:

Obviously we have all suffered more bad days than good days as Jet fans but hopefully this will mark the beginning of a great future if we snag the right QB.  Great Move by Macc.   LETS GO JETS!!!!

Macc & Bowles.

"Right QB"

/chuckle

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

IMHO I don't think Macc traded 3 2nd round picks to grab Mayfield but at this point, who the hell knows ?

I think it likely Mayfield is one of the targets.  When the trade was made we know the following facts..

1) Mac made the trade with the belief that there were at least 3 franchise QB's in the draft.

2) He was in discussions for this trade for quite some time, since Jan. by many accounts

3) The trade happened just after Rosen and Mayfields pro-day (Allen hasn't had his yet)

With those points - it's quite possible he views Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield as franchise QB's.  it's not say Allen won't get into that group...but if Rosen and Darnold are gone - I would think Mayfield is the guy.

 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Lol, agreed on most of it.

I can at least understand Bowles for playing veteran QBs, as much you and I and as most fans wanted to see someone with at least some theoretical long-term possibility of hope.

I've said more than a couple times, though, keeping Hackenberg on the bench for Fitz or McCown (or Petty) ≠ keeping a #3 overall pick QB on the bench. Bowles and all the offensive coaches - and all the players - all see these QB kids in practice and they know a trainwreck when they see it. He may be a bad HC but he's not irretrievably stupid. 5 wins and team support is better for him than 2 wins and a mutiny. So in fairness to Bowles, he didn't want Macc's employment problems stemming from drafting Hackenberg early to become his own problems by playing him. You probably wouldn't either.

Yeah, I’d imagine if Rosen came out and shined in mini-camp, he’d force Bowles’ hand, but I think it’s more likely Rosen, or Mayfield, and especially Allen, would come out and look like rookies, and I’m skeptical that Todd would bench his soulmate McCown, or Teddy, to accomodate a rookiemthatd produce at the level of even Carson Wentz’s first year. 

[Jetster]

It could be Rosen OR Mayfield. What I love about both of these guys is how quickly & accurately they get the ball out of their hand. I watched Baker on NFL total Access, walk out into a parking lot with Jeans & a Tshirt, just grip & rip like 7 balls at NFL logos tied to the netting of backstops & tear through the center of each & everyone of them! Even the ex players were like, "we need to move these back", it was f*cking impressive & after watching Bryce Petty & Hack unable to throw a simple swing pass, I was just imagining our WRs & TEs catching balls perfectly placed & finally seeing some damn YAC for once! Even McCown had way to many reach back, lean forward, have to dive for throws last year. I'm happy with any one of Rosen or Mayfield, and it's exciting having this young guy Bates & bringing in Dennison whose had a lot of success coaching the Oline in this league. 

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Yeah, I’d imagine if Rosen came out and shined in mini-camp, he’d force Bowles’ hand, but I think it’s more likely Rosen, or Mayfield, and especially Allen, would come out and look like rookies, and I’m skeptical that Todd would bench his soulmate McCown, or Teddy, to accomodate a rookiemthatd produce at the level of even Carson Wentz’s first year. 

Best case scenario - Teddy wins the battle and starts - looks good 6 to 7 weeks into the season - some other team will innevitably lose their starting QB to injury - Mac trades Teddy for a 2 - forces the move to the rookie.

 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Best case scenario - Teddy wins the battle and starts - looks good 6 to 7 weeks into the season - some other team will innevitably lose their starting QB to injury - Mac trades Teddy for a 2 - forces the move to the rookie.

 

In that scenario, they’d extend Teddy for ten years at $30 mil per.

[Sperm Edwards]

50 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Yeah, I’d imagine if Rosen came out and shined in mini-camp, he’d force Bowles’ hand, but I think it’s more likely Rosen, or Mayfield, and especially Allen, would come out and look like rookies, and I’m skeptical that Todd would bench his soulmate McCown, or Teddy, to accomodate a rookiemthatd produce at the level of even Carson Wentz’s first year. 

Could be. We'll see soon enough, I guess. 

Hackenberg and Petty weren't just rookies; they were billed even before the dratt as raw rookies supposedly in need of a year of clipboard holding.

I also remember reading that exact same thing about recent prospects like Mariota, Wentz, and Watson. Thing is those guys were simply much better prospects and their early results alone - even as "raw" prospects - show why.

Strange how none of the good/great ones needed Josh McCown on the active roster. 

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Could be. We'll see soon enough, I guess. 

Hackenberg and Petty weren't just rookies; they were billed even before the drat as raw rookies supposedly in need of a year of clipboard holding.

I also remember reading that exact same thing about recent prospects like Mariota, Wentz, and Watson. Thing is those guys were simply much better prospects and their early results alone - even as "raw" prospects - show why.

Strange how none of the good/great ones needed Josh McCown on the active roster. 

No doubt Rosen, Mayfield, etc are higher end, but I just can’t see Todd falling on his sword for any of them. I could see the scenario where it’s going to take a mid-season firing to get the rookie on the field.

[Sperm Edwards]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

No doubt Rosen, Mayfield, etc are higher end, but I just can’t see Todd falling on his sword for any of them. I could see the scenario where it’s going to take a mid-season firing to get the rookie on the field.

I could see it, sure. I'm just saying that benching Petty and Hackenberg is not indicative of whether or not he'd bench a real prospect.