I have a new scenario at #3

[Alka]

Okay, what if the Jets are interested in only Darold and Rosen, and they are gone at #3.

Is it conceivable that the Jets have thought about this and perhaps take offers to trade down?  If they were to trade down to let's say the 10th pick, they could pick up something like the 10th pick, their second round pick, 3rd round pick, and next years #1 pick.

Am I crazy for thinking this?  Perhaps there is someone who the Jets think would still be there at #10 for them.

[K Clue]

Draft Baker Mayfield then and I really hope they don't trade down, I'd be so pissed!

[SAR I]

The Jets will trade with the Browns to move up to the #1 spot.  We're the only ones with that kind of ammo because we're sitting at the #3 spot.  Jets take Rosen at 1.  With Rosen off the board the Giants trade out, Bills take Darnold at 2.  Browns take Barkley at 3 and Mayfield at 4 and we give them some second and third rounders for their trouble, their GM looks like a hero.

That's how I see it playing out if one of the 4 QB's impresses everyone in the next month of one-on-one's, interviews, IQ tests, whiteboard exams, etc.  If one guy is clearly above the rest and is the consensus next Peyton Manning, the Jets will stop at nothing to get the #1 overall if the Browns are willing to give it up.

SAR I

[The Walrus]

7 minutes ago, Alka said:

Okay, what if the Jets are interested in only Darold and Rosen, and they are gone at #3.

Is it conceivable that the Jets have thought about this and perhaps take offers to trade down?  If they were to trade down to let's say the 10th pick, they could pick up something like the 10th pick, their second round pick, 3rd round pick, and next years #1 pick.

Am I crazy for thinking this?  Perhaps there is someone who the Jets think would still be there at #10 for them.

They/we need a QB and that's the end of it.

Assuming no trade up happens, if Darnold and Rosen are gone then they have to swing with Mayfield or Allen and ride into the valley of the shadow of death.

[Jetsplayer21]

6 minutes ago, Alka said:

Okay, what if the Jets are interested in only Darold and Rosen, and they are gone at #3.

Is it conceivable that the Jets have thought about this and perhaps take offers to trade down?  If they were to trade down to let's say the 10th pick, they could pick up something like the 10th pick, their second round pick, 3rd round pick, and next years #1 pick.

Am I crazy for thinking this?  Perhaps there is someone who the Jets think would still be there at #10 for them.

Maybe sure. Allen and/or mayfield likely back there at 10

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, SAR I said:

The Jets will trade with the Browns to move up to the #1 spot.  We're the only ones with that kind of ammo because we're sitting at the #3 spot.  Jets take Rosen at 1.  With Rosen off the board the Giants trade out, Bills take Darnold at 2.  Browns take Barkley at 3 and Mayfield at 4 and we give them some second and third rounders for their trouble, their GM looks like a hero.

That's how I see it playing out if one of the 4 QB's impresses everyone in the next month of one-on-one's, interviews, IQ tests, whiteboard exams, etc.  If one guy is clearly above the rest and is the consensus next Peyton Manning, the Jets will stop at nothing to get the #1 overall if the Browns are willing to give it up.

SAR I

We don't have a second round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. 

[Sarge4Tide]

I can't imagine anyone would trade up to #3 without being absolutely 100% comfortable with at least 3 prospects 

[Il Mostro]

Just now, Sarge4Tide said:

I can't imagine anyone would trade up to #3 without being absolutely 100% comfortable with at least 3 prospects 

You do know we are talking about the Jets, don't you?  

[Lupz27]

11 minutes ago, SAR I said:

The Jets will trade with the Browns to move up to the #1 spot.  We're the only ones with that kind of ammo because we're sitting at the #3 spot.  Jets take Rosen at 1.  With Rosen off the board the Giants trade out, Bills take Darnold at 2.  Browns take Barkley at 3 and Mayfield at 4 and we give them some second and third rounders for their trouble, their GM looks like a hero.

That's how I see it playing out if one of the 4 QB's impresses everyone in the next month of one-on-one's, interviews, IQ tests, whiteboard exams, etc.  If one guy is clearly above the rest and is the consensus next Peyton Manning, the Jets will stop at nothing to get the #1 overall if the Browns are willing to give it up.

SAR I

I’d prefer a scenario where the Giants trade back with Browns, Jets get their guy no more assets needed.

[Lupz27]

4 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

I can't imagine anyone would trade up to #3 without being absolutely 100% comfortable with at least 3 prospects 

This is the Jets we’re talking about.

[Grandy]

We're comfortable with 3 guys, and I feel we have a good chance of having 2 of the 3 available when we're on the clock.

[New York Mick]

Draft Barkley then draft a QB with next years first if London bridges doesn’t workout. If he does then we’ll be set at QB and RB so they’ll be able to draft another needed position. 

And hopefully they’re not that ******* stupid. If they gave away three top picks it better be for a reason not just a hope. 

[New York Mick]

18 minutes ago, SAR I said:

The Jets will trade with the Browns to move up to the #1 spot.  We're the only ones with that kind of ammo because we're sitting at the #3 spot.  Jets take Rosen at 1.  With Rosen off the board the Giants trade out, Bills take Darnold at 2.  Browns take Barkley at 3 and Mayfield at 4 and we give them some second and third rounders for their trouble, their GM looks like a hero.

That's how I see it playing out if one of the 4 QB's impresses everyone in the next month of one-on-one's, interviews, IQ tests, whiteboard exams, etc.  If one guy is clearly above the rest and is the consensus next Peyton Manning, the Jets will stop at nothing to get the #1 overall if the Browns are willing to give it up.

SAR I

The Browns would be better off trading the first to the Bills and get a hell of a lot more picks. 

[Il Mostro]

Just now, New York Mick said:

The Browns would be better off trading the first to the Bills and get a hell of a lot more picks. 

Yep.  Rape without the benefit of a kiss.

[prime21]

Jets should trade up to number one by swapping picks and giving up next years one for Clevelands 2 this year and next.

Dream.

[SAR I]

26 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

We don't have a second round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. 

Who was talking about 2018?  There are plenty of future years from which to negotiate 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up with.

SAR I

[SAR I]

22 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

I can't imagine anyone would trade up to #3 without being absolutely 100% comfortable with at least 3 prospects 

....unless they would be 90% comfortable with one of the three but become extremely obsessed with just one.

Only 1 NFL team could jump into the 3 spot.  We're no longer on an even keel with the Dolphins, Bills, Broncos, or any other QB needy team.  We're in the cat-bird's seat.  We can stay put, we can move up, or we can move down if things don't break right.

SAR I

[ARodJetsFan]

16 minutes ago, Grandy said:

We're comfortable with 3 guys, and I feel we have a good chance of having 2 of the 3 available when we're on the clock.

That's the best case scenario, I hope you're right - about 2 of the 3 being there.

[Larz]

McCown is the bridge to teddy /rookie 

In that scenario I believe they take Allen 

[SAR I]

21 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I’d prefer a scenario where the Giants trade back with Browns, Jets get their guy no more assets needed.

If the Giants are obsessed with a QB or a RB, they can just sit there and take him.  Or they can trade out with someone desperate to jump us.  Either scenario dosen't play well if the Jets want Darnold or Rosen.  That's why trading up and letting the Browns get their guys at 3 and 4 would be our best (only?) option if one of these QB's just has an amazing April with the post-combine interviews and workouts.

Instead of us having to settle for our 2nd choice, the Browns take that burden if we sweeten the pot to the point where it's worth it for them to take that risk.

SAR I

[rowjo]

20 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Draft Barkley then draft a QB with next years first if London bridges doesn’t workout. If he does then we’ll be set at QB and RB so they’ll be able to draft another needed position. 

And hopefully they’re not the ******* stupid. If they gave away three top picks it better be for a reason not just a hope. 

Ding ding ding

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, SAR I said:

If the Giants are obsessed with a QB or a RB, they can just sit there and take him.  Or they can trade out with someone desperate to jump us.  Either scenario dosen't play well if the Jets want Darnold or Rosen.  That's why trading up and letting the Browns get their guys at 3 and 4 would be our best (only?) option if one of these QB's just has an amazing April with the post-combine interviews and workouts.

Instead of us having to settle for our 2nd choice, the Browns take that burden if we sweeten the pot to the point where it's worth it for them to take that risk.

SAR I

You're discounting the possibility that the browns take allen and sit him for a year or most of the year.  It's been rumored they love him, FWIW.  But regardless, the jets are not moving up any more, they already gave up 2nd next year, and we're going to sweat this out, it's the jet way.

[Jetsplayer21]

7 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Who was talking about 2018?  There are plenty of future years from which to negotiate 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up with.

SAR I

 A 2018 4th round pick equals to a 2020 2nd round pick 

[SAR I]

10 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

 A 2018 4th round pick equals to a 2020 2nd round pick 

That works too.  Trade the entire draft for all I care, just get the consensus quarterback who looks to be the next Peyton Manning-  if there is one. 

If not, stick to #3, take the best QB you can, and that's that.  But if one of them is perfect for our system and Jets brass truly believes he's a future HOF'er, bet the farm, make the Browns a ridiculous offer to move down 2 spots, and get him.

SAR I

[Jetsplayer21]

4 minutes ago, SAR I said:

That works too.  Trade the entire draft for all I care, just get the consensus quarterback who looks to be the next Peyton Manning-  if there is one. 

If not, stick to #3, take the best QB you can, and that's that.  But if one of them is perfect for our system and Jets brass truly believes he's a future HOF'er, bet the farm, make the Browns a ridiculous offer to move down 2 spots, and get him.

SAR I

The perfect qb under Todd Bowles is best handoff guy, who can make the big throw on 3rd and 10 when the D knows pass is finally coming after two failed run attempts.

[BigO]

Browns wanted to hold Jets hostage by asking way to much for the #1 pick. They firmly believe they will come out with Darnold and Barkley. I say Pull the  wool over their eyes and take Barkley. He is the Campbell, the OJ, the Bo of this era. Honestly, is Mayfield a higher rated prospect than Barkley? Of course not.

[HessStation]

I would remind everyone that Maccagnan called the Browns first, then the Giants before the Colts...I would suspect this to be a lot like insider trading. There's no real reason for Dorsey and Gettleman, to a slightly less extent, not show their cards a bit to Maccagnan. How far that goes I don't know, but I'd bet good money he (Maccagnan) has a decent to pretty good idea who both teams are picking or at least, with more insight than anyone else. 

 

[Nixhead]

What makes anyone think Rosen is our guy? He's a California guy. Been there his whole life. He's not very mobile. Sure he's great with a clean pocket - what half decent QB isn't with a clean pocket. What will he be when it's cold with the wind blowing and a collapsing pocket? A sitting duck that's what he will be. Mayfield has the personality to deal with those elements. So does Allen. I don't think Rosen is. Sure I could be wrong but this guy grew up in sunny California with a spoon in his mouth. You take him across the country to NY and he's out of his comfort zone. I just don't see it.

[HessStation]

1 minute ago, Nixhead said:

What makes anyone think Rosen is our guy? He's a California guy. Been there his whole life. He's not very mobile. Sure he's great with a clean pocket - what half decent QB isn't with a clean pocket. What will he be when it's cold with the wind blowing and a collapsing pocket? A sitting duck that's what he will be. Mayfield has the personality to deal with those elements. So does Allen. I don't think Rosen is. Sure I could be wrong but this guy grew up in sunny California with a spoon in his mouth. You take him across the country to NY and he's out of his comfort zone. I just don't see it.

Tom Brady in New England and Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay doesn't really help your argument. 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, HessStation said:

I would remind everyone that Maccagnan called the Browns first, then the Giants before the Colts...I would suspect this to be a lot like insider trading. There's no real reason for Dorsey and Gettleman to a slightly less extent not show their cards a bit to Maccagnan. How far that goes I don't know, but I'd bet good money he (Maccagnan) has a decent to pretty good idea who both teams are picking or at least, with more insight than anyone else. 

 

It's not like these other teams are telling him who they like.  They discussed trading parameters.  Mccagnan gauged the market at the top of the draft so he could assess where the most reasonable trade point was.  

[SAR I]

12 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

The perfect qb under Todd Bowles is best handoff guy, who can make the big throw on 3rd and 10 when the D knows pass is finally coming after two failed run attempts.

I believe, and I'm probably wrong, that Woody and Christopher Johnson are calling all the shots in this draft and Maccagnan and especially Bowles have no say whatsoever.  The decision coming next month sets this franchise on its course for the next decade and they're not going to trust it to a worthless head coach and a marginal general manager both of whom were hired primarily because they were the only candidates who didn't say 'no'.

SAR I

[CanadaSteve]

1 hour ago, Alka said:

Okay, what if the Jets are interested in only Darold and Rosen, and they are gone at #3.

Is it conceivable that the Jets have thought about this and perhaps take offers to trade down?  If they were to trade down to let's say the 10th pick, they could pick up something like the 10th pick, their second round pick, 3rd round pick, and next years #1 pick.

Am I crazy for thinking this?  Perhaps there is someone who the Jets think would still be there at #10 for them.

It's funny that you should say this; I have thought about the exact same thing.  What if they are hoping one of the two will be there, and maybe they have heard stuff to think this.  The cost was too great to go up to 1 or 2, so they get to 3 and go with a 'see what happens' attitude.

Then, if Darnold and Rosen go 1-2, they open the phone lines to the highest bidder for Baker Mayfield.  Who knows, crazier things have happened. That said, I think they take Mayfield or Allen at 3 IF Darnold/Rosen are gone.

[HessStation]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

It's not like these other teams are telling him who they like.  They discussed trading parameters.  Mccagnan gauged the market at the top of the draft so he could assess where the most reasonable trade point was.  

You have no idea and neither do I. But it's a small community, these guys all know each other. If the Browns aren't moving from #1, it depends on the relationship between the 2 GM's, but it's really not far fetched. These transations don't happen by computer. It's a conversation among peers. 

[Tinstar]

Me and my cousin Josh Allen are going to remember every single one of you who have bad mouth him . We won't forget  . On the Jets or against them, you will know his name . 

[varjet]

How about this one, which could actually be true.  

Jets tell Cleveland that their board is Darnold, Rosen, Barkley, Allen, Mayfield. 

Cleveland already suspects that the Giants may take Barkley.

So, if Cleveland does not take Barkley 1, they are not getting him.

Cleveland may value Barkley higher than the QBs.  They also may really like Allen, who is likely there at 4 if they take Barkley at 1.

That is the way this should roll-Jets and Giants split Darnold and Rosen.