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Jets should’ve gotten like a 6th rounder back in return just so we could draft another guy. Has immaterial value in the trade but makes up for giving up 4 picks. 

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4 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

The Sheldon Richardson 2 was a gift from the heavens ... A freebie in my book .. he was leaving anyway. So in my mind it was really kind of like 2 2s ... We did not overpayas much as many are crying about. Gil Brandt said he thought it was a smart trade for us... That guy knows something about the draft.

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This is our chance to land the only position in the NFL that matters. Now we roll the dice and pray. 

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5 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Local sports radio here in Phoenix, John Gambadoro, who is known to have reliable sources w/ the Cardinals, said they inquired about moving up to the Colts pick.  The cost "was extremely prohibitive" and would have required the Cardinals 2018 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks and 2019 1st and 2nd round picks, and possibly more.  The Cardinals currently sit at #15.  Just food for thought.

Not surprising, people fail to realize the farther down you are in the draft the more you're

going to pay

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6 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

I'm happy we kept the #1 next year, but I don't like giving up multiple 2's either.  I rest easier when I think that the Jets would have simply used those 2's on guys like Christian Hackenberg and Stephen Hill anyway. :P 

or maye?  those second rounders may have been failures in the past but they're due to turn the selection around. even devan smith might have been a decent player if not for the freak injuries.  but at the same time, the jets now have the 3rd pick.  it's time to get a qb.

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7 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Local sports radio here in Phoenix, John Gambadoro, who is known to have reliable sources w/ the Cardinals, said they inquired about moving up to the Colts pick.  The cost "was extremely prohibitive" and would have required the Cardinals 2018 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks and 2019 1st and 2nd round picks, and possibly more.  The Cardinals currently sit at #15.  Just food for thought.

Damn. That’s a lot. 

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4 hours ago, dbatesman said:

Not exactly reassuring that a team that loves big, dumb, strong-armed, scattershot quarterbacks who suck ass tried to trade into the same spot we did.

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3 hours ago, Dunnie said:

The Sheldon Richardson 2 was a gift from the heavens ... A freebie in my book .. he was leaving anyway. So in my mind it was really kind of like 2 2s ... We did not overpayas much as many are crying about. Gil Brandt said he thought it was a smart trade for us... That guy knows something about the draft.

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Good point man. Plus throw  in Kearse who is serviceable that’s an ok deal. 

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7 hours ago, j4jets said:

Jets should’ve gotten like a 6th rounder back in return just so we could draft another guy. Has immaterial value in the trade but makes up for giving up 4 picks. 

they gave up three picks and swapped one

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3 hours ago, Dunnie said:

The Sheldon Richardson 2 was a gift from the heavens ... A freebie in my book .. he was leaving anyway. So in my mind it was really kind of like 2 2s ... We did not overpayas much as many are crying about. Gil Brandt said he thought it was a smart trade for us... That guy knows something about the draft.

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Look, if we end up with a worthwhile FQB none of it matters. It wouldn't matter if we forked over all 3 of these picks plus our #1 next year for a decade-long answer at QB. 

That said, it's not a freebie. None of them are freebies. That pick was what we were left with after years of holding onto far more valuable assets that were devaluing by the year:

If he was going to move Richardson and keep Mo, he could and should have been moved him years earlier, when SR's value was much higher (when he had 2 more years left at a low salary plus a 5th year team option at an anticipated $7-8m). I'm talking about before that 2017 offseason: during the '16 season before the trade deadline to get a pick a year earlier; before even that during the spring '16 offseason (this time 2 years ago); or before even that during or right after the draft in 2015 after taking Leo. OR he should have moved Mo for a high 2-plus (if he couldn't get a 1st rounder + more like he was demanding) instead of keeping both of them for 2+ years after drafting Leo, at a cumulative cost of nearly $50m plus passing up on trade value that decreases by a round with each passing year.

So the $50m we didn't get to spend on worthwhile players is just the money. Even if the best offer he could've gotten for the better of these two back then was merely a high 2nd, that's a high 2nd from a full two seasons earlier. What do you suppose it'd cost for any team to willingly drop from a current high 2nd rounder for a mid-late 2nd rounder 3 full drafts later? Now you're into lost value of greater than a 1st round pick. "Freebie" my left one. 

So it's intellectually dishonest to ignore all Macc stupidly squandered, and jump in a season after the time Seattle rescued Macc from his prior 2+ years of horrible decisions by offering up the trade value of a late 3rd round pick, and call it a freebie

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    6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

    What I take from this is that the Bills will have to pay around the same or maybe even more to get to #2. 

    If 15 to 3 costs that much? 12 to 2 has to be around the same. April 26th cannot come soon enough.

    edit: they also may have to try and beat the market price that we drove up by over paying for #3. It’s going to be extremely hard for them to pull it off and I hope that they don’t.

    Agree. This is precisely why I think the Broncos are the only team who can realistically swoop in and make a trade with the Giants, and given that they just nabbed Keenum, that seems unlikely to me. 

    The other issue is that the Giants are most likely going to want to stay within shouting distance of the top 5. 

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    8 hours ago, j4jets said:

    Jets should’ve gotten like a 6th rounder back in return just so we could draft another guy. Has immaterial value in the trade but makes up for giving up 4 picks. 

    ya I hear ya, but stats show more UDFAs stick than 6th/7th rounders. lets hope we do well 10 seconds after draft ends to make up for lost picks, maybe get some gems....

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    5 hours ago, Dunnie said:

    The Sheldon Richardson 2 was a gift from the heavens ... A freebie in my book .. he was leaving anyway. So in my mind it was really kind of like 2 2s ... We did not overpayas much as many are crying about. Gil Brandt said he thought it was a smart trade for us... That guy knows something about the draft.

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    And we got Kearse in the Richardson trade. Kearse is a lot better than 90% of our second round picks.

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    12 minutes ago, SouthernJet said:

    ya I hear ya, but stats show more UDFAs stick than 6th/7th rounders. lets hope we do well 10 seconds after draft ends to make up for lost picks, maybe get some gems....

    That may be so, but you have to consider that's more a matter of pure volume than anything else.  There's no real advantage to waiting around to sign an undrafted guy (and in that case, he actually has to pick your team too) as opposed to selecting who you want out of that pool in the late rounds.  The real difference is that there are about 64 6th/7th rounders (plus however many comp picks), compared to hundreds of UDFAs.

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    7 hours ago, dbatesman said:

    Not exactly reassuring that a team that loves big, dumb, strong-armed, scattershot quarterbacks who suck ass tried to trade into the same spot we did.

    how is that relevant?  You have no idea which QB Cards were targeting.  Unless I missed some disclosure of same. 

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    5 hours ago, Dunnie said:

    The Sheldon Richardson 2 was a gift from the heavens ... A freebie in my book .. he was leaving anyway. So in my mind it was really kind of like 2 2s ... We did not overpayas much as many are crying about. Gil Brandt said he thought it was a smart trade for us... That guy knows something about the draft.

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    And almost 4 weeks ago, Gil Brandt basically said on NFL Serius that when FA was to start that Minnesota would 100% be announcing an extraordinary and unusual deal for a big FA but explicitly said he was not at liberty to disclose who or any more.  The deal between the Vikings and Cousins was sealed about 3-4 weeks before FA started.  Period.  The unusual part of the deal that Brandt was alluding to was the 100% guaranty Cousins got for the full salary of the contract.

    I trust everything the 84 year old Gil Brandt says.  He is always correct, never fabricates or exaggerates like so many others do on the air and is one of the most knowledgeable football guys I have ever listened to.  Cousins was ALWAYS going to the Vikings.  

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    2 hours ago, NYJ37/12 said:

    they gave up three picks and swapped one

    Right but it would’ve made up ‘somewhat’ for the loss of  3 additional picks. 

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    1 hour ago, SouthernJet said:

    ya I hear ya, but stats show more UDFAs stick than 6th/7th rounders. lets hope we do well 10 seconds after draft ends to make up for lost picks, maybe get some gems....

    As long as our first pick is a gem, I’m good. rest 5 picks can be busts for now. We just need to hit on that first pick (QB) for this year. 

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