Shaun O'Hara suggests Jets take Barkley if QBs go 1, 2

[jetstream23]

Just one former player's opinion, but O'Hara said that if the Top 2 QBs are gone when the Jets pick 3rd they should take the best player in the Draft, Saquon Barkley, and pair him up with a revitalized Teddy Bridgewater.  He seemed to think that Jets ownership would be onboard with this since a player like Barkley would draw more interest (cough) sell tickets (cough) than the 3rd best QB in the Draft.

I still want a QB and think the Jets can't trade all those picks for a RB, but I have to say that IF Teddy 2.0 is a franchise QB then it would be pretty damn exciting watching him paired with Barkley.

[nyjunc]

I hope Teddy is healthy and can be a franchise QB for us but we have to take a QB at 3 and give us multiple chances to find that franchise QB.  I don't care if teddy turns out to be the guy or if the pick turns out to be the guy.  I will be very happy w/ a San Diego type 2004 where they had Brees and drafted Rivers(though I would keep the Brees and get rid of the Rivers).

[New York Mick]

If there’s only one QB they think is worth taking and he’s gone and Barkley is there it’s a no brainer. 

[KRL]

That had to be one of the worst "scripted debates" they've ever had and O'Hara
was a moron to spout that nonsense

[Lith]

5 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

I still want a QB and think the Jets can't trade all those picks for a RB, but I have to say that IF Teddy 2.0 is a franchise QB then it would be pretty damn exciting watching him paired with Barkley.

Yup.  Can't give up 3 picks for a RB.  If we stayed at 6 and Barkley fell, then you take him, but to give up 3 picks for an RB, can't see it happening.

We are taking a QB.

[JiFtheOracle]

If this team gave up 3 picks for a WR posing as a RB, I will fight everyone on the planet. 

[jetsons]

shaun... you should stick to broadcasting.

[Tinstar]

I was all set to start a new thread about the Jets taking Barkley when I saw this one . Let me be clear here and say that if available, the Jets should and will take Josh Rosen .  It's not even a conversation if they will take Rosen if he's available at 3 . With that said, if Darnod goes 1 and Rosen goes 2, then I think the jets are better off taking S. Barkley with the 3rd overall pick in round 1 and coming back in he 3rd and taking either a Mike white or a Luke Falk to run the offense Bates will install . Everyone complains the Jets have no weapons on offense, and in Barkley that would not be a conversation for a while .

Think about this for a while . The Giants with Eli and OBJ and Barkley  along with that kid they have at TE put an array of weapons on the field on offense . The Browns with Darnold and Barkley along with Josh Gordon immediately throw an array of offensive weapons on the field . 

The Jets do what exactly with Allen or Mayfield  learning a new offense  with who we have on the roster .  Now if you take Barkley, and add him to a Robbie Anderson and a Luke Falk, you now have a future on offense provided Anderson gets his head on straight . If you get the opportunity to take Josh Rosen and combine him with say a Rashaad Penny and Anderson, you now have the makings of offensive weapons .

Did it not come out a few weeks ago that Barkley and his father grew up Jet fans .  If Rosen is available, I take Rosen and grab a RB with Barkley type skills as an offensive weapon in the 3rd . If Rosen is gone, then I take Barkley the BPA and find a WCO fit at QB in the 3rd round .  

 

[ARodJetsFan]

10 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

I was all set to start a new thread about the Jets taking Barkley when I saw this one . Let me be clear here and say that if available, the Jets should and will take Josh Rosen .  It's not even a conversation if they will take Rosen if he's available at 3 . With that said, if Darnod goes 1 and Rosen goes 2, then I think the jets are better off taking S. Barkley with the 3rd overall pick in round 1 and coming back in he 3rd and taking either a Mike white or a Luke Falk to run the offense Bates will install . Everyone complains the Jets have no weapons on offense, and in Barkley that would not be a conversation for a while .

Think about this for a while . The Giants with Eli and OBJ and Barkley  along with that kid they have at TE put an array of weapons on the field on offense . The Browns with Darnold and Barkley along with Josh Gordon immediately throw an array of offensive weapons on the field . 

The Jets do what exactly with Allen or Mayfield  learning a new offense  with who we have on the roster .  Now if you take Barkley, and add him to a Robbie Anderson and a Luke Falk, you now have a future on offense provided Anderson gets his head on straight . If you get the opportunity to take Josh Rosen and combine him with say a Rashaad Penny and Anderson, you now have the makings of offensive weapons .

Did it not come out a few weeks ago that Barkley and his father grew up Jet fans .  If Rosen is available, I take Rosen and grab a RB with Barkley type skills as an offensive weapon in the 3rd . If Rosen is gone, then I take Barkley the BPA and find a WCO fit at QB in the 3rd round .  

 

If Darnold & Rosen go 1 & 2 - which would be a worse case scenario for the Jets; realistically we could wind up taking Allen, Mayfield or Barkley at #3.

If I was the guy making the pick - Allen wouldn't be a consideration, it would be either Mayfield or Barkley and I would probably lean more towards Mayfield depending on what input the coaching staff had to give.

[Beerfish]

This would be one of the stupidest things to do ever.  Barkley is the top back but he is being hugely overrated by everyone and their dog.  We give up three second round picks to get a friggin RB when one of the two 2nd rounders this year could be used to get a back nearly as good as Barkley?  It would be an epic disaster if the Jets did that.  Just monumentally stupid.

[Tinstar]

I didn't expect a fan base that boos players they know little about to get what I purposed .  Nate Burleson said it best about Barkley being the key to the draft . 

 

[Dcat]

8 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Just one former player's opinion, but O'Hara said that if the Top 2 QBs are gone when the Jets pick 3rd they should take the best player in the Draft, Saquon Barkley, and pair him up with a revitalized Teddy Bridgewater.  He seemed to think that Jets ownership would be onboard with this since a player like Barkley would draw more interest (cough) sell tickets (cough) than the 3rd best QB in the Draft.

I still want a QB and think the Jets can't trade all those picks for a RB, but I have to say that IF Teddy 2.0 is a franchise QB then it would be pretty damn exciting watching him paired with Barkley.

If the Jets do this after giving away those round 2 picks, I think I will need to be institutionalized.  You don't trade your 40% of your draft, especially top of draft, for a freaking RB.  No matter how much hype there is.  Damn this proposal is dumb.  One of the dumbest I've seen.

[Beerfish]

34 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

I didn't expect a fan base that boos players they know little about to get what I purposed .  Nate Burleson said it best about Barkley being the key to the draft . 

 

I agree he is the key to the draft which top 3 team is going to make a MONSTER error by picking him.  I could maybe see Cleveland at 4 but even that woul be an error for them imo.

[jetstream23]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I agree he is the key to the draft which top 3 team is going to make a MONSTER error by picking him.  I could maybe see Cleveland at 4 but even that woul be an error for them imo.

Cleveland is the only team with the "luxury" of being able to take him at 4 after getting the pick of the litter at QB.  Any other team in the Top 5 has to believe he's the difference maker to catapult them to playoff contention.  The teams picking in the Top 5 - 10 are there for a reason...they're really bad!  But many were bad due to different reasons and some, like the Giants, Colts, etc. are comfortable that they have a QB.  A team like Denver still has a playoff caliber defense, etc.  I think Cleveland and Denver (if they don't like the QB options left at #5) are the best potential spots for Barkley.

The Giants pick way too early to go RB in my opinion.  I don't care if Eli has 1 year left or 3, he CERTAINLY doesn't have 5 years left....so you have to get your next QB at #2 overall, even if he's going to sit for a year or two.  That could make the Giants a good fit for a guy like Allen who is the most physically gifted QB in the class but will also need the most time to get ready IMO.

[jetstream23]

15 minutes ago, Dcat said:

If the Jets do this after giving away those round 2 picks, I think I will need to be institutionalized.  You don't trade your 40% of your draft, especially top of draft, for a freaking RB.  No matter how much hype there is.  Damn this proposal is dumb.  One of the dumbest I've seen.

I think you should be anyway.  

And again, not my proposal.  Shaun O'Hara suggested it last night on NFL Total Access.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, jetstream23 said:

I think you should be anyway.  

And again, not my proposal.  Shaun O'Hara suggested it last night on NFL Total Access.

pbbbbbbt!

I wasn't blaming you.  I know you would never propose such nonsense.  And you and I are already institutionalized.  The phrase "Jets season ticket holder" is really code for mental institution resident.

[Lith]

If we are targeting Darnold/Rosen and both are gone, at that point, I hope we make/listen to calls to get some picks back.  If we don't like Allen/Mayfield in this scenario, someone is likely to want to come up for them. 

I would sooner look to trade out than take Barkley at 3.

[Matt39]

[TxJetfan]

No doubt the Jets are drafting a QB at #3, the question is which one of them would be available, and who would you think given their current situation might they be leaning toward? Personally, I hope that Cleveland takes Darnold with the 1st pick.  Looking back, USC runs a pro style offense and seems to always have a great O-line, WR's, and RB's, but when was the last time a QB from USC was a franchise QB in the NFL? You can make a case for Carson Palmer, but through the years that USC has been a top program, has there been anyone else?  Josh Rosen? Definitely a polished passer, but the concussion history should be a concern as well as a previous shoulder injury. All the talk about attitude I'd take with a grain of salt as is the case with most things the media reports on, plus I think (or hope) that the interview process would give some hint as the due diligence process is being worked through. Josh Allen? A closer look says the below 60% completion pct has to factor in dropped passes, mediocre receivers and a generally sub par offense in general.  He's big, strong, plays in cold weather which can't be underestimated in New York, has big hands which for a cold weather QB, is a huge plus.  Some mechanical flaws?  Definitely, but...and this is a big but, and why he'd be my 1st choice...he has no mandate to start this year.  He can learn from McCown and Gates and work his mechanics, next year, it wouldn't be a stretch to see McCown retire and stay on as a QB coach and let the kid battle it out with Teddy B. As a side note, I don't see the Giants drafting a QB at #2 because they haven't given Webb a good look yet and Shurmer does good things with young QB's, plus there would be a riot if Barkley was sitting there and they passed on him. I don't see them trading down either because this Jets trade up to #3 threw the whole value system upside down and a team like Buffalo would have to basically throw the house to the Giants to move up 10 spots.  Just my 2 cents...

[Untouchable]

Shaun O’Hara is a dildo

[T0mShane]

Deep into draft hot take season, I see.

[Maxman]

Everyone would get fired on the spot for trading up for a RB.

[Tinstar]

All I know is that McCagnan is known as the GM who takes the BPA in the 1st round . He took Williams when the DL was supposedly stacked . He took Adams instead of a lesser valued Watson . He took Lee because he had the highest rated Value and come April if Rosen and Darnold are both gone, the highest rated player on the board will be Barkley .

[nyjunc]

56 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

All I know is that McCagnan is known as the GM who takes the BPA in the 1st round . He took Williams when the DL was supposedly stacked . He took Adams instead of a lesser valued Watson . He took Lee because he had the highest rated Value and come April if Rosen and Darnold are both gone, the highest rated player on the board will be Barkley .

our DL was so stacked he's the only top guy left a few years later.  BPA is usually the way to go as you don't know what the roster will look like a year or 2 down the road.  Imagine what this DL would look like w/o Williams right now?  every situation is different, if Watson was considered a sure thing he would have went #1.  Teams made mistakes, it happens. 

He's not taking Barkley.

[Tinstar]

25 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

our DL was so stacked he's the only top guy left a few years later.  BPA is usually the way to go as you don't know what the roster will look like a year or 2 down the road.  Imagine what this DL would look like w/o Williams right now?  every situation is different, if Watson was considered a sure thing he would have went #1.  Teams made mistakes, it happens. 

He's not taking Barkley.

It's makes no difference to me who they take . I'm  Jet fan and will root for the team and the player who's taken by the Jets . What I don't get is why everyone is so sure that this GM will pass up the BPA to draft a QB scouts are not as high on as the fan base or one most of the fan base thinks will bust but scouts are high on .

[nyjunc]

36 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

It's makes no difference to me who they take . I'm  Jet fan and will root for the team and the player who's taken by the Jets . What I don't get is why everyone is so sure that this GM will pass up the BPA to draft a QB scouts are not as high on as the fan base or one most of the fan base thinks will bust but scouts are high on .

I just don't believe they make that move to jump up and select anything other than a QB.  The thinking is they really like at least 3 of the QBs, if they don't love at least 3 then the move up was a mistake.

[Tinstar]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I just don't believe they make that move to jump up and select anything other than a QB.  The thinking is they really like at least 3 of the QBs, if they don't love at least 3 then the move up was a mistake.

Whose thinking ?

The top 3 players in this draft are Darnold, Rosen and Barkley  . At 6, the Jets ad no chance at any of them. At 3, the Jets have a shot at all of em because the Browns might be fascinated with Josh Allen 

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Whose thinking ?

The top 3 players in this draft are Darnold, Rosen and Barkley  . At 6, the Jets ad no chance at any of them. At 3, the Jets have a shot at all of em because the Browns might be fascinated with Josh Allen 

The general thinking as to why the Jets made this trade.  They weren't moving up to get a RB no matter how highly rated he may be.  I will be shocked beyond belief if they come out w/ anything other than a QB at 3.  who that QB is I have no idea but I expect a QB at 3. 

[Larz]

Not terrible logic, but the Jets won't be able to see teddy's knee vs live action until after the draft so they should take a QB.  rbs also have short careers 

[jmat321]

I do wonder if their guys are off the board 1, 2 do they take barkley and try to hold him for ransom to trade back and recoup their picks somehow?  Definitely in the field of stupidity, but this is the Jets.

[32EBoozer]

On 3/20/2018 at 2:34 PM, TxJetfan said:

No doubt the Jets are drafting a QB at #3, the question is which one of them would be available, and who would you think given their current situation might they be leaning toward? Personally, I hope that Cleveland takes Darnold with the 1st pick.  Looking back, USC runs a pro style offense and seems to always have a great O-line, WR's, and RB's, but when was the last time a QB from USC was a franchise QB in the NFL? You can make a case for Carson Palmer, but through the years that USC has been a top program, has there been anyone else?  Josh Rosen? Definitely a polished passer, but the concussion history should be a concern as well as a previous shoulder injury. All the talk about attitude I'd take with a grain of salt as is the case with most things the media reports on, plus I think (or hope) that the interview process would give some hint as the due diligence process is being worked through. Josh Allen? A closer look says the below 60% completion pct has to factor in dropped passes, mediocre receivers and a generally sub par offense in general.  He's big, strong, plays in cold weather which can't be underestimated in New York, has big hands which for a cold weather QB, is a huge plus.  Some mechanical flaws?  Definitely, but...and this is a big but, and why he'd be my 1st choice...he has no mandate to start this year.  He can learn from McCown and Gates and work his mechanics, next year, it wouldn't be a stretch to see McCown retire and stay on as a QB coach and let the kid battle it out with Teddy B. As a side note, I don't see the Giants drafting a QB at #2 because they haven't given Webb a good look yet and Shurmer does good things with young QB's, plus there would be a riot if Barkley was sitting there and they passed on him. I don't see them trading down either because this Jets trade up to #3 threw the whole value system upside down and a team like Buffalo would have to basically throw the house to the Giants to move up 10 spots.  Just my 2 cents...

Hey Tex.... welcome to the board. Good insight but Rosen #1 then Mayfield for me

[Sonny Werblin]

If Rosen and Darnold are gone, I'd like to see them select Chubb or Barkley than trade back into the first round using next year's #1+ more to select Jackson.

[MDL_JET]

2 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

If Rosen and Darnold are gone, I'd like to see them select Chubb or Barkley than trade back into the first round using next year's #1+ more to select Jackson.

Saw the Texans were working out Jackson. Maybe a back up plan for Watson? 

Imagine...Texans just sit there and take the best QB again, while everyone scrambles for the other 4. 

[Sonny Werblin]

15 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Saw the Texans were working out Jackson. Maybe a back up plan for Watson? 

Imagine...Texans just sit there and take the best QB again, while everyone scrambles for the other 4. 

You know I am truly concerned that while everyone is arguing about the other 4 QB's that someone is going to get a steal on Jackson and he becomes a HOF QB. There is a lot to like about that kid. I am clueless why he is not in the same conversation with the other 4, especially since Allen (despite his accuracy problems) is included.

[MDL_JET]

14 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

You know I am truly concerned that while everyone is arguing about the other 4 QB's that someone is going to get a steal on Jackson and he becomes a HOF QB. There is a lot to like about that kid. I am clueless why he is not in the same conversation with the other 4, especially since Allen (despite his accuracy problems) is included.

I agree, he'll be a steal for someone. I think it's Darnold and Rosen at the top but the rest of them, there's no reason for Jackson not to be in the convo.