Jump to content
Want to remove all ads? ×

Report: Jets Offering Most Money for Ndamukong Suh

Grandy

By Grandy
in NY Jets Forum

Recommended Posts

Scoop24

Scoop24

Posted
Posted
11 minutes ago, flgreen said:

No, he took whole games off.  Like both of the Jets games, against an awful C.  Plus he's a locker room pain in the ass.  That's why we are even having this discussion.  I can't imagine why the Jets are even considering him.  But, Todd loves him I guess

He got double team a lot during those games and every game at that  . But whatever u say . Still a top 10 defensive player in this league . 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 286
  • Created
  • Last Reply
TuscanyTile2

TuscanyTile2

Posted
Posted

This will be the classic case of if we sign him, fans will be excited about it and talking smack ("look out Brady!").  But if he signs elsewhere or he leaves after next year, it will be "I'm glad he's someone else's problem now!" and "don't let the door hit you on the way out, scvmbag!"

Link to comment
Share on other sites
bla bla bla

bla bla bla

Posted
Posted

I don't really care either way. I think he is dominant, he's just an as*hole. I think the purge of old talent was because of money and effort. If he is a cancer then bad move. If the effort is there and we have to spend the money then I don't think it's a bad move.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Paradis

Paradis

Posted
Posted

I think if fans can get over the name-hype (and themselves) they would see this as a good move.

Despite spending 734,345 First Round Picks on Defensive Linemen, we never did find much an interior pass rush... or any pass rush. Don't think that's going to change by without adding some talent. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JetFaninMI

JetFaninMI

Posted
Posted

Armando Salguero

The reasons the Miami Dolphins are expected to cut Ndamukong Suh go beyond cap savings

By Armando Salguero

March 12, 2018 01:43 PM

Updated March 12, 2018 04:59 PM

The reason the Miami Dolphins are planning to cut Ndamukong Suh on Wednesday, signaling something of a reboot for this team when you consider the best offensive player is gone and now a very good defensive player is about to get axed, boils down to ...

... Team culture.

The Dolphins have decided that the way to build a team is to, well, build a team. It’s not about adding the most talented individuals with the biggest contracts and biggest egos. It’s not about adding players who are working on their brands.

It’s about the team.

And last year the Dolphins were broken as a team. Yes, they were 6-10. Everybody saw that. But within themselves the Dolphins, after a lot of self study and difficult, honest evaluation, have come to the conclusion they were simply not right as a team — as a group.

The chemistry was bad. Toxic even.

And part of that toxicity is being sucked out of the Dolphins locker room this offseason. Now “chemistry” and “team” have become a higher priority than just about everything — including sheer individual talent.

So the team wants to move on from Suh, yes, because there will be a significant salary cap windfall that can eventually be used to sign the 2018 draft class and improve cap room space in the coming years.

But it’s also because Suh was a fine individual player who was never really a team guy as far as the Dolphins were concerned.

That demands exploring because fans and even some NFL general managers love to add talent at all costs. That’s how they build a team, by stacking blue chip atop blue chip.

But have you seen how the New England Patriots have done it for years? How Bill Parcells did it years ago? How the San Francisco 49ers and Washington Redskins did it in their heyday? They went to the Super Bowls with some great leaders framed by players we never heard of until they got on the big stage.

Mark Rypien?

Tom Rathman?

Phil McConkey?

Obviously those teams had talent, too. But the talent worked within the framework of the team — except maybe Lawrence Taylor who was a freak on many levels and an exception.

This past year the Patriots went to the Super Bowl with a defense comprised mostly of guys we never heard of. They played well enough to get to the NFL’s grandest stage because those guys played together. They worked as a unit.

The Dolphins? They were seemingly more talented on defense last season and definitely more expensive for owner Stephen Ross. But they struggled because too often the individuals played for themselves instead of with each other.

And the most prominent individualist on the Dolphins defense? Ndamukong Suh.

It’s not right or fair to say Suh was a bad apple. Well, in 2015 he was a bad apple. No one in the Dolphins building liked him. In 2016, he got better. And in 2017 he worked toward being better still.

But at his core, Suh is about ... Suh.

So when something was not ideal for him, he checked into 2015 mode and left the better 2017 version Suh behind.

This wouldn’t have been a problem if the Dolphins had stronger leaders in their locker room. If Jason Taylor or Tim Bowens, who could force Suh to be about something greater than himself, were in there, things would be different.

But the Dolphins didn’t have anyone like that. And still don’t.

So that leadership vacuum made Suh the leader.

An individualist as the defense’s leader.

Defense, a unit that needs to work and play with one heartbeat, led by an individualist. That’s absolutely stupefying.

It didn’t work. It wouldn’t work going forward.

By the way, Suh is a good player. He’s very good at taking up space and blockers. But the Dolphins, who gave him an enormous contract in 2015, were nonetheless 14th against the run in 2017.

The Dolphins paid a defensive tackle so much money it told everyone he would change the course of games. But defensive tackles don’t change the course of games. He couldn’t even significantly change the course of the run defense.

The Dolphins should have known this when they paid (overpaid) Suh as if he was a quarterback in 2015.

They apparently know it now.

So barring weirdness, Suh will be cut on Wednesday at or after 4 p.m. The Dolphins will designate him a post-June 1 cut. They will save $17 million in cap space while carrying $9.1 million in dead money.

What does that mean? The cutting of Suh will not be a boon immediately. It won’t factor until after June 1, and the team will carry Suh’s $26 million cap charge until then.

But the Dolphins are certain they have enough salary cap space now to do business in free agency when it begins on Wednesday. And the Suh windfall will be used to sign the draft class after June 1 and carry the rest into the season.

So you have questions.

Why didn’t the Dolphins trade Suh? That’s the obvious one.

It’s as simple as this: If the Dolphins had traded Suh, a full $22 million of his scheduled $26 million cap figure would remain on the books this season. The team decided that’s too much to carry.

As it is, the Dolphins will carry $13 million in dead money from the Suh deal in 2019.

This signing, so beloved by fans and even owner Stephen Ross in 2015, proved misguided. It was a bad contract that set the player up for life but also set him up to fail because of who he is and the position he plays.

The Dolphins must be wiser as they build their team in the days ahead.

Follow Armando Salguero: 305-376-4993, @ArmandoSalguero 

 

After getting rid of all the Me First and drama causing whiners Suh is the last guy to bring on to a young impressionable team devoid of leadership on Defense. I don't care how much He tweets it a second year safety is not yet a leader and Suh would probably roll right over him. The last thing this team needs is a guy like Suh. This was the same rap he had in Detroit besides the dirty player one. All the talent in the world on one play but disappeared the next. Suh should go to a team that is a Super Bowl contender. Maybe that would motivate him. Playing in the cold in NY would not be the wisest thing for a guy who is not the most motivated in the first place. STAY AWAY.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
joewilly12

joewilly12

Posted
Posted

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports it's "less than a sure thing" free agent Ndamukong Suh signs with the Jets.

The Jets have emerged as one of the top landing spots for Suh. The Rams still look to be the favorites, but the Jets have the most cap space and made Suh the largest offer. New Orleans and Tennessee also remain in the mix.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
FidelioJet

FidelioJet

Posted
Posted

OMG...you guys have to be kidding me.

why would you not want to sign this guy?

Want to live with the narative that Mac has not made the team better? Suh makes the team better.

Nobody is claiming he's the old Suh - but he will, in fact, make the NYJ a better team.

I find it funny - when we find "good character" guys - it's always about Mac and Bowles being conservative - "good Locker guys" don't make good football players...but when they want to bring in talented, yet flawed people...it's about destroying the locker room..

Look, I haven't seen the contract number but to say it's a bad deal simply because the Jet are doing it is simply wrong.

He's a good player that will make the NJY a better team - just a matter of at what cost.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
RoadFan

RoadFan

Posted
Posted

Suh is a signing I don't get for either party, other than financially.  The Jets have money to spend, and Suh wants to get paid.

Can anybody give me ONE good reason for either side other than $$$ that this match works? Dare to try for two reasons?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
joewilly12

joewilly12

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Suh is a signing I don't get for either party, other than financially.  The Jets have money to spend, and Suh wants to get paid.

Can anybody give me ONE good reason for either side other than $$$ that this match works? Dare to try for two reasons?

Other than Leonard Williams the Jets DL is a bunch of JAG's 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lupz27

Lupz27

Posted
Posted
Just now, RoadFan said:

Suh is a signing I don't get for either party, other than financially.  The Jets have money to spend, and Suh wants to get paid.

Can anybody give me ONE good reason for either side other than $$$ that this match works? Dare to try for two reasons?

Bowles has a man crush on Suh, as stated earlier in this thread just go back, and listen to every presser Bowles has done during the week leading up to a Jets Dolphins game.  Bowles probably envisions Suh as his Calais Campbell.  

Suh reasons for signing here, $$$$$$, Bowles being a Defensive minded players coach, NY market for after football aspirations, and of course Jamaal Adams leadership will have hypnotized him ?.

The main thing for Suh thou is his after football aspirations which is why the Jets, or Rams will be the landing spot for him, Suh probably hoping the Rams will stretch the pockets a little more now that (most likely his agent) the Jets offering the most money is leaked through the media conveniently even thou he hasn’t taken a visit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lupz27

Lupz27

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Other than Leonard Williams the Jets DL is a bunch of JAG's 

In a 3-4 you don’t necessarily need anything better then JAG’s outside of 1 player, it’s the 4 LB’s they need to make the plays, the Jets have put their resources into the front 7 ass backwards.  It’s why I proposed the trade poll in my other thread.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
joewilly12

joewilly12

Posted
Posted
Just now, Lupz27 said:

In a 3-4 you don’t necessarily need anything better then JAG’s outside of 1 player, it’s the 4 LB’s they need to make the plays, the Jets have put their resources into the front 7 ass backwards.  It’s why I proposed the trade poll in my other thread.

Ok so we have JAG LB's what are you saying? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Sonny Werblin

Sonny Werblin

Posted
Posted
11 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Suh is a signing I don't get for either party, other than financially.  The Jets have money to spend, and Suh wants to get paid.

Can anybody give me ONE good reason for either side other than $$$ that this match works? Dare to try for two reasons?

1) He fills a glaring need with all pro type talent.

2) he functions best on a team where he is not expected to be a leader. Jamal has made it known to all that he is the leader of the D.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
long suffering jets fan

long suffering jets fan

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

OMG...you guys have to be kidding me.

why would you not want to sign this guy?

Want to live with the narative that Mac has not made the team better? Suh makes the team better.

Nobody is claiming he's the old Suh - but he will, in fact, make the NYJ a better team.

I find it funny - when we find "good character" guys - it's always about Mac and Bowles being conservative - "good Locker guys" don't make good football players...but when they want to bring in talented, yet flawed people...it's about destroying the locker room..

Look, I haven't seen the contract number but to say it's a bad deal simply because the Jet are doing it is simply wrong.

He's a good player that will make the NJY a better team - just a matter of at what cost.

I agree.  They said Suh was too much of an individual to be a leader, they also said, the Fins had a leadership vacuum.  The Jets are one year ahead of the Dolphins when it comes trying to developing leaders.  Time will show if Adams, Leonard Williams and Trumaine Johnson will be effective leaders.  Hopefully Suh doesn't have to worry about leading and he can just play his game.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

Content Partnership

Yes Network

Site Sponsor

MILE-Social - NJ Social Media & SEO company

Site Sponsor

MetLife Stadium Tailgate

NY Jets Podcast

NY Jets Podcast

DMCA Page

  • -- DMCA Page
    • ×
    ×
    • Create New...