JetFaninMI Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Obviously you guys are being fooled by Suh's ability and not reality. The guy does not play for an HC, his teammates, or anything but himself. Didn't we learn this lesson with Mo? You want to actually put this Me first guy on a team with the young developing guys we have and expect good things to happen? Not to mention an HC who plays scared and conservatively most of the time? Can you say disaster waiting to happen? Yeah let's put Suh on a team in the biggest media market in country. Yeah nothing can go wrong there. The very idea is LOL ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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detectivekimble Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 9 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: We just spent two years cleaning up the roster. Signing this POS would be a huge mistake. He's different than Wilkerson. Such is dirty on the field, but he's good in the locker room. He was voted team captain in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Tony MaC said: This might be the first signing that makes me scratch my head. I get it from a talent point of view, and money is no object at the moment (100 million plus next year and nary anybody to spend that on) but from a culture perspective... won't Suh be a problem? I know he's got a rep on the field, does anybody have a more detailed knowledge of how he is among teammates? He was voted team captain in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 4 hours ago, JetFaninMI said: Armando Salguero The reasons the Miami Dolphins are expected to cut Ndamukong Suh go beyond cap savings By Armando Salguero March 12, 2018 01:43 PM Updated March 12, 2018 04:59 PM The reason the Miami Dolphins are planning to cut Ndamukong Suh on Wednesday, signaling something of a reboot for this team when you consider the best offensive player is gone and now a very good defensive player is about to get axed, boils down to ... ... Team culture. The Dolphins have decided that the way to build a team is to, well, build a team. It’s not about adding the most talented individuals with the biggest contracts and biggest egos. It’s not about adding players who are working on their brands. It’s about the team. And last year the Dolphins were broken as a team. Yes, they were 6-10. Everybody saw that. But within themselves the Dolphins, after a lot of self study and difficult, honest evaluation, have come to the conclusion they were simply not right as a team — as a group. The chemistry was bad. Toxic even. And part of that toxicity is being sucked out of the Dolphins locker room this offseason. Now “chemistry” and “team” have become a higher priority than just about everything — including sheer individual talent. So the team wants to move on from Suh, yes, because there will be a significant salary cap windfall that can eventually be used to sign the 2018 draft class and improve cap room space in the coming years. But it’s also because Suh was a fine individual player who was never really a team guy as far as the Dolphins were concerned. That demands exploring because fans and even some NFL general managers love to add talent at all costs. That’s how they build a team, by stacking blue chip atop blue chip. But have you seen how the New England Patriots have done it for years? How Bill Parcells did it years ago? How the San Francisco 49ers and Washington Redskins did it in their heyday? They went to the Super Bowls with some great leaders framed by players we never heard of until they got on the big stage. Mark Rypien? Tom Rathman? Phil McConkey? Obviously those teams had talent, too. But the talent worked within the framework of the team — except maybe Lawrence Taylor who was a freak on many levels and an exception. This past year the Patriots went to the Super Bowl with a defense comprised mostly of guys we never heard of. They played well enough to get to the NFL’s grandest stage because those guys played together. They worked as a unit. The Dolphins? They were seemingly more talented on defense last season and definitely more expensive for owner Stephen Ross. But they struggled because too often the individuals played for themselves instead of with each other. And the most prominent individualist on the Dolphins defense? Ndamukong Suh. It’s not right or fair to say Suh was a bad apple. Well, in 2015 he was a bad apple. No one in the Dolphins building liked him. In 2016, he got better. And in 2017 he worked toward being better still. But at his core, Suh is about ... Suh. So when something was not ideal for him, he checked into 2015 mode and left the better 2017 version Suh behind. This wouldn’t have been a problem if the Dolphins had stronger leaders in their locker room. If Jason Taylor or Tim Bowens, who could force Suh to be about something greater than himself, were in there, things would be different. But the Dolphins didn’t have anyone like that. And still don’t. So that leadership vacuum made Suh the leader. An individualist as the defense’s leader. Defense, a unit that needs to work and play with one heartbeat, led by an individualist. That’s absolutely stupefying. It didn’t work. It wouldn’t work going forward. By the way, Suh is a good player. He’s very good at taking up space and blockers. But the Dolphins, who gave him an enormous contract in 2015, were nonetheless 14th against the run in 2017. The Dolphins paid a defensive tackle so much money it told everyone he would change the course of games. But defensive tackles don’t change the course of games. He couldn’t even significantly change the course of the run defense. The Dolphins should have known this when they paid (overpaid) Suh as if he was a quarterback in 2015. They apparently know it now. So barring weirdness, Suh will be cut on Wednesday at or after 4 p.m. The Dolphins will designate him a post-June 1 cut. They will save $17 million in cap space while carrying $9.1 million in dead money. What does that mean? The cutting of Suh will not be a boon immediately. It won’t factor until after June 1, and the team will carry Suh’s $26 million cap charge until then. But the Dolphins are certain they have enough salary cap space now to do business in free agency when it begins on Wednesday. And the Suh windfall will be used to sign the draft class after June 1 and carry the rest into the season. So you have questions. Why didn’t the Dolphins trade Suh? That’s the obvious one. It’s as simple as this: If the Dolphins had traded Suh, a full $22 million of his scheduled $26 million cap figure would remain on the books this season. The team decided that’s too much to carry. As it is, the Dolphins will carry $13 million in dead money from the Suh deal in 2019. This signing, so beloved by fans and even owner Stephen Ross in 2015, proved misguided. It was a bad contract that set the player up for life but also set him up to fail because of who he is and the position he plays. The Dolphins must be wiser as they build their team in the days ahead. Follow Armando Salguero: 305-376-4993, @ArmandoSalguero After getting rid of all the Me First and drama causing whiners Suh is the last guy to bring on to a young impressionable team devoid of leadership on Defense. I don't care how much He tweets it a second year safety is not yet a leader and Suh would probably roll right over him. The last thing this team needs is a guy like Suh. This was the same rap he had in Detroit besides the dirty player one. All the talent in the world on one play but disappeared the next. Suh should go to a team that is a Super Bowl contender. Maybe that would motivate him. Playing in the cold in NY would not be the wisest thing for a guy who is not the most motivated in the first place. STAY AWAY. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html#storylink=cpy Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html#storylink=cpy Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html#storylink=cpy Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html#storylink=cpy Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html#storylink=cpy Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html#storylink=cpy Dolphins getting rid of bad guys like Suh so they can bring in guys like Brock osweiller who was a cancer in Houston. Miami unloaded Suh because our boy Mr T put them in cap hell. They wanted to make some moves and could only do it by cutting Suh and trading away Landry. I'm not suggesting Suh is a choir boy but he's also not getting arrested for drugs, beating women or knocking around paraplegics...... Yeah, the NFL bar for good guys is real low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Dolphins getting rid of bad guys like Suh so they can bring in guys like Brock osweiller who was a cancer in Houston. Miami unloaded Suh because our boy Mr T put them in cap hell. They wanted to make some moves and could only do it by cutting Suh and trading away Landry. I'm not suggesting Suh is a choir boy but he's also not getting arrested for drugs, beating women or knocking around paraplegics...... Yeah, the NFL bar for good guys is real low The author of the article States it was a mistake to give Suh all that money and he is not a team guy. He must have a better handle on the situation than you or I have. While Suh is not a member of the NFL's most wanted that is not a reason to sign him. I agree the bar is low but you have to draw the line somewhere and I really think Suh is a mistake for this team. Especially with weak ass Bowles as the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Offering the most money gives us what? A 15% chance to sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: If pro players need to be motivated, you have the wrong players Agree problem is Bowles does worse than "not motivate." He actively demotivates by rewarding selfish thug turd behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Ok with this if it happens...at the right price. As long as Suh is not being signed here under the same premise as with Miami to be “THE MAN” His stats aren’t glaring and they don’t need to be. He draws enough attention to where Leo, Williamson, Lee can have a little more freedom to compile stats. Things that players like Wake, Vernon, and Branch benefited from playing alongside him. It really all boils down to the money spent, but there is no denying he makes this defense better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Report: Jets Offering Most Money for Ndamukong Suh vomit :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 6 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Dolphins getting rid of bad guys like Suh so they can bring in guys like Brock osweiller who was a cancer in Houston. Miami unloaded Suh because our boy Mr T put them in cap hell. They wanted to make some moves and could only do it by cutting Suh and trading away Landry. I'm not suggesting Suh is a choir boy but he's also not getting arrested for drugs, beating women or knocking around paraplegics...... Yeah, the NFL bar for good guys is real low Suh is not a choir boy is a dominant force on the field. I would dare to compare him to Sapp on the field, a player may complain about not drafting. As for so many POS type comments I would suggest you check out some of his charity work and see if that opinion is totally warranted. Sorry do not know how to copy and paste or I would have saved you any trouble If you care to be fair in your opinion process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bocajetfan said: Suh is not a choir boy is a dominant force on the field. I would dare to compare him to Sapp on the field, a player may complain about not drafting. As for so many POS type comments I would suggest you check out some of his charity work and see if that opinion is totally warranted. Sorry do not know how to copy and paste or I would have saved you any trouble If you care to be fair in your opinion process No amount of charitable work will make me think Suh is not a dirty play. I would say that makes me think a little better of him but the dirty player tag is going to be glued to his name for his career. I don't really care one way or the other, I think he definitely makes our defense better. Money is obviously not an issue, my only problem would be his locker room presence. If they think that will check out then I could get down with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: No amount of charitable work will make me think Suh is not a dirty play. I would say that makes me think a little better of him but the dirty player tag is going to be glued to his name for his career. I don't really care one way or the other, I think he definitely makes our defense better. Money is obviously not an issue, my only problem would be his locker room presence. If they think that will check out then I could get down with him. Suh will carry that rep forever on the field but as some have mentioned he has cleaned his act up. Just trying to point out he is not the total POS some have implied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 This is to appease Bowles who had a complete mental breakdown when he was told they traded up to 3 and was drafting a quarterback that he is expected to play within a year max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 31 minutes ago, Bocajetfan said: Suh will carry that rep forever on the field but as some have mentioned he has cleaned his act up. Just trying to point out he is not the total POS some have implied Exactly the same Jets fans acted the same way when Jason Taylor was signed, if the guy can contribute to success here, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Exactly the same Jets fans acted the same way when Jason Taylor was signed, if the guy can contribute to success here, why not. Jason Taylor is human garbage and that signing was an open insult to anyone who cares about this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Jason Taylor is human garbage and that signing was an open insult to anyone who cares about this team. Root for the uniform the NFL is a business every team has its fair share of scumbags, its all about winning and filling the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 53 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: This is to appease Bowles who had a complete mental breakdown when he was told they traded up to 3 and was drafting a quarterback that he is expected to play within a year max. Its a hedge. Which is all these two boobs do. We'll trade picks to get the QB, we just wont play him and to compensate for the lost picks we'll sign guys on Todd's Christmas list. Total sh*tshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 If we don't sign him I won't be brokenhearted. He's a player who is not easy to root for since he likes to step on other players (when they are on the ground) and mash them. Hopefully not his own teammates even though reportedly he was not beloved in the Fins locker room. But if we sign him ok, I had no prob with the Jason Taylor signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Root for the uniform the NFL is a business every team has its fair share of scumbags, its all about winning and filling the stadium. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Paradis said: I think if fans can get over the name-hype (and themselves) they would see this as a good move. Despite spending 734,345 First Round Picks on Defensive Linemen, we never did find much an interior pass rush... or any pass rush. Don't think that's going to change by without adding some talent. We actually did. Ironically enough, the best DT that we got was an undrafted rookie that we allowed to sign with the Giants, and we kept Mo Wilkerson instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Its a hedge. Which is all these two boobs do. We'll trade picks to get the QB, we just wont play him and to compensate for the lost picks we'll sign guys on Todd's Christmas list. Total sh*tshow. It's a hedge to continue to prove that they're trying to win now in addition to building an offense of the future. This, and the reality that they probably still need to spend money this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Gotta love the whining about the potential to acquire a top 10 defensive player in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Scoop24 said: Gotta love the whining about the potential to acquire a top 10 defensive player in this league. Same guys that will be here the night we win a Super Bowl bitching about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Guys I've seen Suh's act up close and personal when he was with the Lions. Think about it. A franchise with their history of losing doesn't let players with his talent go without a reason. I've posted an article that refutes his "changed" attitude from another team that just released him. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will. The facts are there. Suh is a me first guy who will eventually wear out his welcome pretty quick going by past history and should be avoided. He may have shined up his act on the surface but deep down he is what he is. A leopard doesn't change it's spots and in this case it has never been more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Don't want, unless Bowles teaches him how to drop back into coverage, then I would pay him anything he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 47 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Jason Taylor is human garbage and that signing was an open insult to anyone who cares about this team. I don't remember Taylor ever saying the Jets were a bottom of the barrel team that he never wanted to play for like Cumar did.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Bocajetfan said: Suh is not a choir boy is a dominant force on the field. I would dare to compare him to Sapp on the field, a player may complain about not drafting. As for so many POS type comments I would suggest you check out some of his charity work and see if that opinion is totally warranted. Sorry do not know how to copy and paste or I would have saved you any trouble If you care to be fair in your opinion process https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7lw0Ovzq0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Its a hedge. Which is all these two boobs do. We'll trade picks to get the QB, we just wont play him and to compensate for the lost picks we'll sign guys on Todd's Christmas list. Total sh*tshow. This is really what I'm worried about. We can assemble the best talent in the NFL, but I have serious reservations about Bowles' ability to put it all together to create a winning team. I'm afraid we might become the Redskins as long as he's head coach. The reality is that Bowles is a moron who really shouldn't be there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Freemanm said: This is really what I'm worried about. We can assemble the best talent in the NFL, but I have serious reservations about Bowles' ability to put it all together to create a winning team. I'm afraid we might become the Redskins as long as he's head coach. The reality is that Bowles is a moron who really shouldn't be there anymore. If Macc loads the roster with stars and Bowles fails he's gone its quite simple and I support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Until he comes to Florham Park for a visit I think this is a $$$ play by Suh and his agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: Guys I've seen Suh's act up close and personal when he was with the Lions. Think about it. A franchise with their history of losing doesn't let players with his talent go without a reason. I've posted an article that refutes his "changed" attitude from another team that just released him. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will. The facts are there. Suh is a me first guy who will eventually wear out his welcome pretty quick going by past history and should be avoided. He may have shined up his act on the surface but deep down he is what he is. A leopard doesn't change it's spots and in this case it has never been more so. If I remember right lions couldn’t afford to keep him or Fairly . The idea that losing team doesn’t let good players go is ridiculous. Cause we let Revis and Vilma go and both where key parts of championship teams . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 We actually did. Ironically enough, the best DT that we got was an undrafted rookie that we allowed to sign with the Giants, and we kept Mo Wilkerson instead. Snacks was a mistake. LEO hasn't been elite either....Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 34 minutes ago, Scoop24 said: If I remember right lions couldn’t afford to keep him or Fairly . The idea that losing team doesn’t let good players go is ridiculous. Cause we let Revis and Vilma go and both where key parts of championship teams . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Scoop24 said: If I remember right lions couldn’t afford to keep him or Fairly . The idea that losing team doesn’t let good players go is ridiculous. Cause we let Revis and Vilma go and both where key parts of championship teams . Now who is being ridiculous? The Lions could have kept Suh if they wanted too. They made the decision to let him go as addition by subtraction. Believe me if Suh had any value to them they would have kept him to build around. Suh's need to be the highest paid defensive player forced the Lions hand. More proof of his "me first" bullsh*t. Suh was offered 17 mil per with a guaranteed 58 mil by the Lions. The Dolphins offered a deal that paid him 19 mil per but only guaranteed 60 mil of it. So for 2 mil more guaranteed over the life of the deal he left a team with a defense that was on the rise. They led the league in rushing defense with Suh there and he took a deal that only guaranteed him 2 mil more OVER THE LIFE OF THE DEAL. No evidence of "me first" there huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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