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Who is the more appropriate pick given the fact we moved up to #3

Patriot Killa

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Which one makes more sense given our situation. Forget draft value. We need a QB  

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  1. 1. Which of these two.

    • Josh Allen
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    • BakervMayfield
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Patriot Killa

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Redundant thread but not so much because I am giving my thoughts on both..

 

Most likely this is how the board will fall on April 26th given the fact the Giants seem to love Josh Rosen.

1.)Sam Darnold

2.)Josh Rosen

3.)........

Now you can look at it two ways for both prospects.

the bad:

Josh Allen’s upside is extremely high but he just won’t put it together like we need him to right away. While everyone acknowledges Allen’s potential, potential is a scary word in the world of football. Pro day went a long way in showing his pure throwing ability...but from the head up will he be able to come together? The mental aspect in a QB is by far the most important ability. We do not trust the Jets organization to develop a guy like Allen and help him realize his full “potential”. 

the good:

Allen also could put it together with the help of Jeremy Bates who did a lot for the similar strong armed yet wreckless Jay Cutler. Under Bates, Cutler produced the best numbers of his entire career. In Bates West Coast System, Allen could move around and use his mobility to make plays and throw short/intermediate routes to open up his ability to throw the deep ball. Though I do question Allen’s ability to throw shorter routes because of his touch and his lack of success reading defenses. Bates would be Allen’s one hope of turning into something special. Can Bates do it?

the bad:

Mayfield’s also has some footwork issues. He gets happy feet when pressure comes but he isn’t always a victim to pocket pressure, as he moves well outside of the pocket, yet I question his ability to read defenses at the next level as I do with Allen. Pro defenses will be very fast for these two and it will be up to them to find niches and small things that work for them to slow it down for themselves, mentally. Mayfield will need to diagnose plays at the line of scrimmage and call out audibles well as Drew Brees does. Bree’s understand where everyone is and throws a tight perfect spiral to the best possible read..that simple. He’s a pure passer with a high football IQ and that is what makes Brees so effective. Mayfield will need to go through a learning curve and understand the terminology of WCO and diagnose defenses. Can he process fast and handle that? I also question his ability not to get too crazy in NY..but I am not very concerned tbh. I just question it. Is his height going to factor into his on field ability at the pro level? Good question as well. 

the good:

Mayfield is actually a really good candidate for the WCO due to his ability to move out of the pocket and make plays for YAC. His accuracy is great for short/intermediate routes and he can do everything you ask him to do as far as getting the ball out quickly goes. He excels at that tbh. Him and Rosen are clearly the best WCO candidates and if Rosen Is off the board..which he probably  will be and definitely is in this scenario..Mayfield is the next one up. He definitely can make it work with a little retooling and refining. He could be electric in this offense. He is 10000% dedicated and eats, breathes, and sh*ts football 24/7. He has the work ethic to do just what he needs to in order to do well. 

Overall, you have to determine which of these two are more worth the 3rd pick in the draft. Which one of these guys’s Pros outweighs the cons enough to draft at 3. Which one of these guys work best for our current situation. This pick has to be QB..no other way around it. So you have to figure out which of these two make the most sense.

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Just now, Jethead said:

I actually think both will be successful pro QB's but to me it's a no-brainer. Allen all the way. The tough call is if a non-QB goes #2 and either Darnold or Rosen is also there for the picking.

It's not a tough call...you take either Darnold or Rosen.

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4 minutes ago, Jethead said:

I actually think both will be successful pro QB's but to me it's a no-brainer. Allen all the way. The tough call is if a non-QB goes #2 and either Darnold or Rosen is also there for the picking.

Then it’s Rosen all the way...but it’s not looking to be the case. So we have Allen and we have Mayfield..think i’m just now really coming to terms with that and I’m losing my little bit of hope that the Giants aren’t taken a QB.

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13 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

If they gave away three 2nd round picks for one of these guys they’re ******* idiots. One of them would of been there at six. 

Wrong again. There is about 30 different scenarios where 4 QB’s would of been gone by 6.

you have Browns, Giants, Denver already ahead of us. Then you have the Bills with ammo to move up anywhere. It’s stupid as sh*t to assume that a QB would of been there. You don’t just go with blind faith and “it’s whatever” attitude in this situation. They damn well did the right thing. Go get a QB. 

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17 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Allen. Mayfield seems to me to have a definite ceiling and his personality troubles me. Allen is not that far away from putting it all together. When he does, he'll be a force to reckon with.

If* and are the Jets the best team to really help him do that?

its a hard situation but one that is a LOT better than staying at 6.

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9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Wrong again. There is about 30 different scenarios where 4 QB’s would of been gone by 6.

you have Browns, Giants, Denver already ahead of us. Then you have the Bills with ammo to move up anywhere. It’s stupid as sh*t to assume that a QB would of been there. You don’t just go with blind faith and “it’s whatever” attitude in this situation. They damn well did the right thing. Go get a QB. 

And if Mac had waited 90% of this board would have called him a gutless wonder.  

Moving up as you rightly suggest was the correct move and yet we have folks pillorying the move like we just traded away Jim Brown. 

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13 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Wrong again. There is about 30 different scenarios where 4 QB’s would of been gone by 6.

you have Browns, Giants, Denver already ahead of us. Then you have the Bills with ammo to move up anywhere. It’s stupid as sh*t to assume that a QB would of been there. You don’t just go with blind faith and “it’s whatever” attitude in this situation. They damn well did the right thing. Go get a QB. 

And more that they wouldn’t. 

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

And if Mac had waited 90% of this board would have called him a gutless wonder.  

Moving up as you rightly suggest was the correct move and yet we have folks pillorying the move like we just traded away Jim Brown. 

Having 100% assurance in drafting one of the top3 QB’s is helluva’ lot better than sitting there and hoping someone falls.

It wasn’t going to happen. We blocked anyone else from taking a QB besides Browns, Giants/trade partner... No matter who those two guys are that get picked(if two get picked)...we now will definitely get one of the top 3.

we wait? ..who knows if Bills successfully get up to #3 or #4 come draft time. Then Denver goes and takes their guy #5. Then what are we left with? Reaching on Lamar Jackson at 6 or going BPA and hoping Jackson falls or Falk is the answer?

No.

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Myself, I’d take Mayfield and have Bates copycat some of that Oklahoma spread offense. At worst, he’s probably Andy Dalton and, with his personality, he’d be an immediate rock star here, even if he was meh.

Allen is a mush personality and Bowles would never play him anyway, so you lose on two fronts. Draft the dude that makes you relevant in the short term. If Allen goes to Denver and becomes a star in three years, so what? Everyone will be fired by then, anyway. 

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9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Having 100% assurance in drafting one of the top3 QB’s is helluva’ lot better than sitting there and hoping someone falls.

It wasn’t going to happen. We blocked anyone else from taking a QB besides Browns, Giants/trade partner... No matter who those two guys are that get picked(if two get picked)...we now will definitely get one of the top 3.

we wait? ..who knows if Bills successfully get up to #3 or #4 come draft time. Then Denver goes and takes their guy #5. Then what are we left with? Reaching on Lamar Jackson at 6 or going BPA and hoping Jackson falls or Falk is the answer?

No.

I’ll defend this trade until I die. You’re in position to grab Rosen if the Giants or Browns screw up, and at worst you’re still poised to grab a pretty decent QB prospect. The Colts were 100% bailing out of three, and if the Bills or Dolphins jumped in there, regardless of cost, Florham Park would look like someone nuked it by now

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Part of me says that the Jets should announce that their board is Darnold, Rosen, Barkley and Allen.

If the first 2 are gone, the Jets should take Barkley.  Or at least threaten to.  Or take him and trade him.  

Let the Browns pay a 2nd round pick to us back so they can take Barkley.  I actually don't think they want Chubb or Minkah, given they have Garrett and Peppers.  

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Myself, I’d take Mayfield and have Bates copycat some of that Oklahoma spread offense. At worst, he’s probably Andy Dalton and, with his personality, he’d be an immediate rock star here, even if he was meh.
Allen is a mush personality and Bowles would never play him anyway, so you lose on two fronts. Draft the dude that makes you relevant in the short term. If Allen goes to Denver and becomes a star in three years, so what? Everyone will be fired by then, anyway. 

Bowles needs wins or he is out. Who do you think gets him the most wins! That’s the guy.


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Given those 2 choices, both of them need to sit for a year 
The question is then which guy comes in and can take what he learned and win
That's Allen 
 
Maybe we can give Allen Hacks perpetual red shirt.


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1 minute ago, jetsfansince7 said:


Would you say that mayfield faced more complex defenses?


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Yeah..I think I feel comfortable saying that. Didn’t Allen play Divsion 2 opponents? Mayfield didn’t have to read defenses that much but I think the defenses he faced were harder. He didn’t look bad against Georgia’s NFL style defense..though pressure seemed to shake him up some during the second half..he still grinded through and made plays.

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It doesn't matter what we traded or wether we traded.  We need to take the QB we think will be the best.

There's a very good chance that all 4 QB's will be gone by 6 - therefor the Jets needed to treat that like a certainty.  They moved up to get one of 3 QB's they recognized as franchise caliber.  Take whoever is at the top and ingnor all other outside factors. like position, media, pr etc...

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