Josh Rosen vs Baker Mayfield and the picks

[Pointdexter]

I really think Baker is going to be on the board when pick 6 rolls around. Just curious where jetnation stands on this. Would you rather have Rosen with no second rd picks this yr or next, or Mayfield + 3 picks for which to build the roster around him?

[bla bla bla]

If you could have guaranteed me Mayfield at 6 then I would have taken that but since that wasn't in the cards, I'm 100% behind this trade even if it still nets us Mayfield. Obviously the hope is Rosen or Darnold but I have no problem paying the price to get a QB you covet.

[Dupe]

no one is happy to give up picks, come on.

[Larz]

This is what Shane and the trolls will talk about for a decade 

If any of the big 4 are there at 6 the 2 QBs will be linked here daily 

Yay 

[Dunnie]

since there are really no guarantees the question really is .. rosen or mayfield .. period ... the picks are inconsequential ... the reason for there loss is to give us more flexibility in the pick.

ill take rosen over mayfield ... but would be ok with baker. 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

I'd still want Rosen over Mayfield. You get one shot at this. As Mark Twain said, the difference between the best adjective and the second best is like the difference between a lightning bolt and firefly. Mayfield is the firefly.

[Scoop24]

I rather have Rosen . I haven’t lost any sleep over those 2nd rd picks .. 

[Jazy8ball]

13 minutes ago, Dupe said:

no one is happy to give up picks, come on.

I’m not even a little upset we gave up picks to move to 3. And I don’t care what QB of the 4 we get 

- realistic chance if we didn’t trade up w colts someone else would have not to mention if the giants trade down. All 4 QB’s could of been gone whe the 6th pick came around  

- the fact we still have our 1 next year is a huge win 

[JetFaninMI]

31 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

If you could have guaranteed me Mayfield at 6 then I would have taken that but since that wasn't in the cards, I'm 100% behind this trade even if it still nets us Mayfield. Obviously the hope is Rosen or Darnold but I have no problem paying the price to get a QB you covet.

Agreed. Guys have been saying you go after the guy you want when it comes to a QB and the draft. They cite the Eagles with Wentz and to a lesser extent the Rams with Goff. What if Mayfield is the guy the Jets have coveted all along and they made the bold move to assure getting him? If they pick Mayfield at 3 some will go apesh*t especially if Rosen and/or Darnold is still there.

[Lith]

We need a QB.  We have needed a QB for most of the last 50 years.  You don't get cute and cross your fingers and hope your QB falls to 6.  You move up to 3 and take your guy and don't look back.

If the guy hits, what we gave up won't matter.  If the guy busts, whatever we gave up is too much.

I will be happy with Rosen at 3.

[T0mShane]

Mayfield wasn’t getting past Denver.

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4 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Agreed. Guys have been saying you go after the guy you want when it comes to a QB and the draft. They cite the Eagles with Wentz and to a lesser extent the Rams with Goff. What if Mayfield is the guy the Jets have coveted all along and they made the bold move to assure getting him? If they pick Mayfield at 3 some will go apesh*t especially if Rosen and/or Darnold is still there.

I get what your saying so I give you an upvote but this trade can only happen if you like 3 of the QBs because as weird as it sounds you still can't guarantee that Mayfield will be there at 3. You can only guarantee you get to pick from at least 2 of the 4 prospects with a high probability that it will be between Mayfield and Allen.

[JetFaninMI]

2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I get what your saying so I give you an upvote but this trade can only happen if you like 3 of the QBs because as weird as it sounds you still can't guarantee that Mayfield will be there at 3. You can only guarantee you get to pick from at least 2 of the 4 prospects with a high probability that it will be between Mayfield and Allen.

I get what you're saying but my post was on the reasoning for making the trade being they had a better shot of getting the guy they wanted if it was Mayfield. Granted he could be gone but they bettered their odds of landing him at 3 than if they stayed at 6. Personally I thought he might be there at 6 especially since Denver signed a FA but I wasn't so sure. Now they could conceivably have their choice of 3 of the 4 guys there.

[Charlie Brown]

Based on the video that I saw with UCLA HC Mora and his comments concerning Rosen, I would take Mayfield over him straight up regardless of draft position. That is how serious that video was for me.  

Why?

Becuse there is no question that Mayfield is a true competitor and loves football and that can’t be said about Rosen based on his own coach’s comments  

Coach Mora stated in relevant part that he wasn’t sure in effect whether or not Rosen was going to take his job of being an NFL QB with him when he left the building and that is a Big Big no no in the NFL.  

Even Fitz was texting everyone when the weren’t at the facility about plays and how to get better!!

This isn’t 1965, Rosen isn’t Namath and if he doesn’t take the game seriously according to his current coach, being a nice guy with good character isn’t enough in my opinion.  

 

I say skip Rosen and let another team babysit him. 

[Mackman55]

25 minutes ago, Larz said:

This is what Shane and the trolls will talk about for a decade 

If any of the big 4 are there at 6 the 2 QBs will be linked here daily 

Yay 

God I hope not. The move to three was very simple in that I believe the organization feels there are three very good QB prospects in this draft and they want to guarantee they come away with one. Period. I hate giving up picks, especially on a team that has so many holes to fill but in this case it was absolutely necessary. I also think the owner gave clear marching orders to Mac directing him to get a young QB on board for 2018 or else.

Of course the million dollar question is what three QB's are on the top of the Jets draft board? I still believe it's Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield in that order. Allen is such a boom/bust type of prospect that seems too risky for Mac/Bowles in this type of a make or break draft for their future employment.

[MDL_JET]

9 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Based on the video that I saw with UCLA HC Mora and his comments concerning Rosen, I would take Mayfield over him straight up regardless of draft position. That is how serious that video was for me.  

Why?

Becuse there is no question that Mayfield is a true competitor and loves football and that can’t be said about Rosen based on his own coach’s comments  

Coach Mora stated in relevant part that he wasn’t sure in effect whether or not Rosen was going to take his job of being an NFL QB with him when he left the building and that is a Big Big no no in the NFL.  

Even Fitz was texting everyone when the weren’t at the facility about plays and how to get better!!

This isn’t 1965, Rosen isn’t Namath and if he doesn’t take the game seriously according to his current coach, being a nice guy with good character isn’t enough in my opinion.  

 

I say skip Rosen and let another team babysit him. 

What video? What did mora say?

[Charlie Brown]

1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

What video? What did mora say?

Villain actually posted the video in another thread and the video statements provided by Mora implied that Rosen doesn’t take notes in meetings, that he is going to have to in effect realize that this is a job. 

That Rosen has to learn to take his work with him outside of the facility.   That Rosen can be great but that he has to in effect learn to want it like a Payton Manning and so on. 

These are big warning signs for me. 

[jgb]

Not a bad thread topic but if you're sure of a guy, man up and pull the trigger without getting cute.

[rangerous]

28 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Based on the video that I saw with UCLA HC Mora and his comments concerning Rosen, I would take Mayfield over him straight up regardless of draft position. That is how serious that video was for me.  

Why?

Becuse there is no question that Mayfield is a true competitor and loves football and that can’t be said about Rosen based on his own coach’s comments  

Coach Mora stated in relevant part that he wasn’t sure in effect whether or not Rosen was going to take his job of being an NFL QB with him when he left the building and that is a Big Big no no in the NFL.  

Even Fitz was texting everyone when the weren’t at the facility about plays and how to get better!!

This isn’t 1965, Rosen isn’t Namath and if he doesn’t take the game seriously according to his current coach, being a nice guy with good character isn’t enough in my opinion.  

 

I say skip Rosen and let another team babysit him. 

rosen kind of remind me of jeff george.  another guy with all the talent but just not the leader he needs to be.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

I voted for Mayfield and the picks because of the opportunity cost, 3 probable starters is expensive

I also don't think either one is there at 6, so trading up provided options and guarantees one of them, if both Rosen and Mayfield are on the board at 3 that pick is even more valuable (would cost more) and I probably go with Rosen

Assuming I could get 2 of Jackson, Rudolph, Falk, Lauletta, with those 2nd round picks to pair with Barkley at 6, is that an option?

[MDL_JET]

9 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Villain actually posted the video in another thread and the video statements provided by Mora implied that Rosen doesn’t take notes in meetings, that he is going to have to in effect realize that this is a job. 

That Rosen has to learn to take his work with him outside of the facility.   That Rosen can be great but that he has to in effect learn to want it like a Payton Manning and so on. 

These are big warning signs for me. 

Watched it. Don’t think he said anything we didn’t already know. It’s gonna take the right coaches and personality to work with him, just like Dilfer stated. 

Things could go south real quick if the team struggles and Rosen could feel he’s above the talent on this team. But f it...I still wanna risk it. 

[Augustiniak]

11 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Watched it. Don’t think he said anything we didn’t already know. It’s gonna take the right coaches and personality to work with him, just like Dilfer stated. 

Things could go south real quick if the team struggles and Rosen could feel he’s above the talent on this team. But f it...I still wanna risk it. 

I think the bigger looming problem would be if Rosen thinks he's above the coaching staff.  I think if Rosen comes to the jets that bowles will not be able to handle him.  Can you imagine Rosen calling out the coach about his stupid coaching decisions?  We all know who wins that one.

[MDL_JET]

4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I think the bigger looming problem would be if Rosen thinks he's above the coaching staff.  I think if Rosen comes to the jets that bowles will not be able to handle him.  Can you imagine Rosen calling out the coach about his stupid coaching decisions?  We all know who wins that one.

We have no idea what he’s like in the locker room/qb room but idc if he’s cocky and arrogant. That’s mainly why Rodgers got passed over for the nice guy in Alex Smith. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, MDL_JET said:

We have no idea what he’s like in the locker room/qb room but idc if he’s cocky and arrogant. That’s mainly why Rodgers got passed over for the nice guy in Alex Smith. 

Not saying he's cocky or arrogant, but i don't think Rosen will tolerate stupidity from his coaches.  Rosen seems like the type of player who needs coaches to keep challenging him.  I see Rosen and bowles as a very bad match, worse than mayfield and bowles.  The last thing bowles wants to contend with is an intellectual qb who can manage the game better than he can, and who isn't shy of talking about it.  

[MDL_JET]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Not saying he's cocky or arrogant, but i don't think Rosen will tolerate stupidity from his coaches.  Rosen seems like the type of player who needs coaches to keep challenging him.  I see Rosen and bowles as a very bad match, worse than mayfield and bowles.  The last thing bowles wants to contend with is an intellectual qb who can manage the game better than he can, and who isn't shy of talking about it.  

Bowles maybe. But Bates could be a perfect match for him. They might clash here and there but could work. 

[RVAJet815]

It's pretty obvious where Mac stands with this. And he and his scouts have been eating, sleeping and breathing QB tape for the past year, not to mention setting up shop in LA, Norman and Laramie. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here. Rosen sure looks like the best of the bunch here, at least to me.

[Happy Clouds]

56 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Villain actually posted the video in another thread and the video statements provided by Mora implied that Rosen doesn’t take notes in meetings, that he is going to have to in effect realize that this is a job. 

That Rosen has to learn to take his work with him outside of the facility.   That Rosen can be great but that he has to in effect learn to want it like a Payton Manning and so on. 

These are big warning signs for me. 

The other warning signs for me is the fact that he’s already had 2 concussions and shoulder surgery.  I’ll root for him if we draft him, but I won’t be disappointed if we take a different quarterback.

 

[Augustiniak]

11 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Bowles maybe. But Bates could be a perfect match for him. They might clash here and there but could work. 

We've been hearing all offseason that bates is perfect for cousins, but what about the draft picks?  How would bates' system be for allen?  That's the question i can't answer.  Even Daniel Jeremiah said he's heard the jets have been connected to Rosen and mayfield the most.  Maybe that's b/c of scheme fit.  How would allen fare in a WCO based on timing and accuracy?  And does this mean the jets would take mayfield over him?  

[FidelioJet]

While I think it's a long shot any one of the 4 gets to 6 - it is possobile...but it wasn't a chance the Jets could take.  Jets were all-in on a QB this year...

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

We've been hearing all offseason that bates is perfect for cousins, but what about the draft picks?  How would bates' system be for allen?  That's the question i can't answer.  Even Daniel Jeremiah said he's heard the jets have been connected to Rosen and mayfield the most.  Maybe that's b/c of scheme fit.  How would allen fare in a WCO based on timing and accuracy?  And does this mean the jets would take mayfield over him?  

These are good questions and worthy of being asked..but for me - if you're drafting a QB at 3 - who you want to be your QB for the next 15 years - The OC Du Jour's system should have no consideration whatsoever.  You take the best prospect and build a system around his skill-set.

[Mike135]

I like Rosen more than Mayfield.  And at least they save cap space without the 2nd round picks.  It's not like they draft 2nd rounders well anyway.

[Pointdexter]

29 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

While I think it's a long shot any one of the 4 gets to 6 

Since 2000, there hasn't been three qbs taken in the top 5, let alone four. And while I didn't bother to research beyond 2000, it's safe to state that what you are postulating as a near-given, has never happened in the history of the NFL. 

Having 4 qbs go in the top 5 would be epically historical by context. If vegas gave wagering odds on this, I would bet my house that at least one of those guys are sitting there at 6.

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Since 2000, there hasn't been three qbs taken in the top 5, let alone four. And while I didn't bother to research beyond 2000, it's safe to state that what you are postulating as a near-given, has never happened in the history of the NFL. 

Having 4 qbs go in the top 5 would be epically historical by context. If vegas gave wagering odds on this, I would bet my house that at least one of those guys are sitting there at 6.

I think there's a very good chance 4 QBs go in the 1st 5 picks.  We live in an era where Kirk Cousins earns $84M guaranteed for 0 playoff wins.  And Jimmy G (not to say that I'm not a big fan) is the highest paid QB in NFL history based on like 8 starts.

[Pointdexter]

34 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

I like Rosen more than Mayfield.  And at least they save cap space without the 2nd round picks.  It's not like they draft 2nd rounders well anyway.

Actually draft picks are so valued BEACUSE they save cap space. Having talent on your roster playing 4-5 yrs on cap friendly rookie contracts is huge. It's when you have to fill out the roster on expensive fa deals, usually for avg talent, such as the jets are doing now, that you get into cap problems. 

For instance the Jets could have gotten a better center in the 2nd rd of the draft than the journeyman they overpaid for, at a much friendlier cap #.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think there's a very good chance 4 QBs go in the 1st 5 picks.

I agree and i think the giants would regret passing up Rosen for a rb or de.