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Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?

On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.

The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.

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Just now, majf said:

Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?

On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.

The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.

Technically, you could say that we lost in total a net of 1 2nd round pick because one of those picks traded was Seattle's.

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Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?
On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.
The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.
What if Cleveland traded the #4 pick?

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I wouldn't consider it for less than two second rounders, and they'd probably have to come up with more than that to pass on my favorite QB there. 

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20 minutes ago, majf said:

Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?

On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.

The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.

Unlikely scenario.

But if that happened, I think Cleveland trades back from 4 and one of Darnold/Rosen gets taken there by the trade partner.  If Mac has them evenly rated, then sure.  But I doubt that is the case.  I think the Jets have Darnold ranked highest.  I say stay at 3 in this one.  I would want the Jets to trade back alittle ONLY IF the Darnold/Rosen are off the board in the first 2 picks.  At that point, Mac's prior trade up fizzles into a bad deal (unless you think Mayfield is close to equivalent value as Rosen and/or Darnold).  

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11 minutes ago, slats said:

I wouldn't consider it for less than two second rounders, and they'd probably have to come up with more than that to pass on my favorite QB there. 

Boom. Two 2nds. No conditions. Let them take who they want, let CLE trade out their pick for the other. 

The Jets absolutely have to be okay with more than one prospect to make the trade up to #3 in the first place. 

This trade would carry a net cost of one 2nd round pick to move up from #6 to #5, and that’s the pick we got from Sheldon. 

#execoftheyear

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No way.  If the Jets are in a position to pick their guy, they have to pull the trigger and not try to get cute for an extra pick or two.  The franchise has waited a long time to be in this position and they shouldn't waste it or take any chances.

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29 minutes ago, majf said:

Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?

On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.

The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.

Never happen, Giants will never pass of Darnold... That is very obvious

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2 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Never happen, Giants will never pass of Darnold... That is very obvious

I think the Browns will be taking Darnold. Jets must feel equally comfortable with Allen or Rosen. Because its truly uncertain who will be selected #2 regardless of trades. Darnold, Allen, Rosen. If Jets are happy with any one of these 3 then they are sitting pretty.

They may want Mayfield, which is also fine. But I don't want him and am hoping Rosen is there at 3.    

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Regardless of the players, Denver gets the player it clearly wants above the other two and is worried he won't fall or it wouldn't do the trade. By making the trade, not only does it help Denver, but it also give Cleveland the opportunity to trade their #4 pick so a team could jump over us.

If we truly rate the other two QBs exactly the same, or we want to select one, but are worried (about health, or whatever) and want to be able to let someone else make the decision, then I would do the trade, but it would take a crap of a lot more than this year's #2. We are on the fence and Denver clearly isn't, so they should pay for the player they really want. It should cost them at least this year's #2 and next year's #1; I would argue it would take a bit more than that. If the scenario plays out the way you say, we would be in the drivers seat and should get a lot more than a #2 for our trouble.

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58 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

No. If Darnold and Rosen are on the board at #3 .. i’m Taking my guy and never looking back. I can equally deal with the loss of draft picks from the Colts trade. It’s what we asked for.

It just further validates the move if we get to choose from the top 2 QB’s.

This, 1000 times over.  You don't cute in that situation to get another 2nd rounder?  That's crazy.  If the Jets get lucky enough to chose between Darnold and Rosen, they're going to choose their guy.

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Why would DEN even consider it?  If they wanted Mayfield, they would get him at 5.  And even if not, they would get Darnold or at worst Rosen.  Win-win-win.  No way they trade up for Mayfield.

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5 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Why would DEN even consider it?  If they wanted Mayfield, they would get him at 5.  And even if not, they would get Darnold or at worst Rosen.  Win-win-win.  No way they trade up for Mayfield.

They would do it if they have Mayfield as their top QB and believe the smoke the Jets are putting out about their interest in Mayfield.

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1 hour ago, majf said:

Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?

On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.

The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.

if it was 3 to 4 and they didn't want mayfield then maybe.  cleveland can very well dangle the 4th pick to some team who wants to move up and that could jeopardize the jets getting one of the top qb's.

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Denver would have to seriously blow the Jets away... Everything you mentioned plus another 2nd rounder and maybe a 3rd the following year.

If the Jets trade back they shouldn't be looking for matched value. They should only discuss it if they get blown away with extra picks... And even then, I'd have no problem with them passing. 

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1 hour ago, majf said:

Let's assume Cleveland takes Josh Allen with #1 and the Giants take Barkley (or Chubb) with #2. Let's also assume that wherever they had Allen on their draft board, the next two QBs on the Jets board are Rosen and Darnold (not necessarily in that order). Now Denver comes and offers #5 and their 2nd round pick (#40) to move up to #3. Let's also assume that they promise to take Baker Mayfield with that pick (and not to trade the pick to anyone else). Do you do that?

On the one hand, you will have traded three 2nd round picks (and got back only one 2nd round pick) essentially to move up one spot. On the other hand, you get one of the guys you would have targeted at #3 and get a 2nd round pick to boot.

The scenario is not outside the realm of reasonable possibility and make explain why the Jets interest in Mayfield is being puffed up.

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Not saying that Mac is the sharpest tool in the shed, but he traded up to 3 for a purpose... If he's really smart and wants to get his guy, he'll trade up again to #1 if he feels Cleveland is taking Josh Allen... and I say that with Darnold in mind because like most I believe he won't make it past the Giants.. unless we are all wrong and the Giants are in love with Rosen which I hope is the case. (in this scenario only). Then we don't have to trade and we get Darnold at 3...

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39 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

"We promise we'll take Baker and not the two guys you want."

Uh, okay.

What, that's not enforceable? The league has to approve all draft trades, so that provision would be in there and the league could ensure it's complied with. Plus, how could any team that reneges on such a deal expect to negotiate any deal with any team in the future?

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Okay, lets play along.  I would say no....BUT.

What if the draft fell this way:

1. Browns - Saquon Barkley

2. Giants - Bradley Chubb

Now the Jets are on the clock with all 4 QB's.  Do you trade down then with the Broncos, knowing that both the Browns and Denver will pick 2 out of the 4, recoop your picks, and still walk away with a QB?

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