Greenseed4 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The best smokescreens are the ones you don’t see coming—like when the Bears sign a bunch of QBs (Glennon & Sanchez) and then trade up from 3 to 2 to draft Trubisky, or when the Eagles sign a bunch of QBs (Bradford & Daniels) and then trade up from 8 to 2 to draft Wentz. What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds? What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)? What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there? What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3. Because Math. **We could be setting the stage to recoup a high second round pick, and then some** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jetsplayer21 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: The best smokescreens are the ones you don’t see coming—like when the Bears sign a bunch of QBs (Glennon & Sanchez) and then trade up from 3 to 2 to draft Trubisky, or when the Eagles sign a bunch of QBs (Bradford & Daniels) and then trade up from 8 to 2 to draft Wentz. What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds? What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)? What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there? What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3. Because Math. **We could be setting the stage to recoup a high second round pick, and then some** Lol no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Is that you, Todd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 You lost me at the whole 'Todd isn't as dumb as he looks' part. Just doesn't compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 What if...nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: The best smokescreens are the ones you don’t see coming—like when the Bears sign a bunch of QBs (Glennon & Sanchez) and then trade up from 3 to 2 to draft Trubisky, or when the Eagles sign a bunch of QBs (Bradford & Daniels) and then trade up from 8 to 2 to draft Wentz. What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds? What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)? What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there? What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3. Because Math. **We could be setting the stage to recoup a high second round pick, and then some** 27 days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I think it's very obvious that's exactly what TB did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 If that post was meant for strong sarcasm you gotta spread it on a little thicker. Bowles is a moron. Not that mac is much smarter. They should avoid all “ smokescreen” attempts, poker is not their game, checkers maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: The best smokescreens are the ones you don’t see coming—like when the Bears sign a bunch of QBs (Glennon & Sanchez) and then trade up from 3 to 2 to draft Trubisky, or when the Eagles sign a bunch of QBs (Bradford & Daniels) and then trade up from 8 to 2 to draft Wentz. What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds? What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)? What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there? What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3. Because Math. **We could be setting the stage to recoup a high second round pick, and then some** Browns have zero fear the Jets will take the player they want at 3, or trade out WHEN they select their hand picked QB at 1 overall, it’s the Giants they are concerned with, and if they want to secure their top 2 players they would call the Giants, and swap with them, and IF the Giants are not taking a QB, or Barkley then that’s the trade for both teams to make, BUT the Giants are not doing jack sh*t until the Browns hand in that card because if it’s not Darnold they are staying put, and drafting Darnold I’d bet the farm on it. The Browns CAN’T trade with the Jets because if the draft goes Darnold Allen they are screwed, Rosen has stated he won’t play there bluff, or not I believe he is off their board, and the Browns QB board from the sounds of it is Darnold Allen 1A 1B everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Verbal Kint or Keyser Söze quick who has Kobayashi's number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Also I am of the opinion that Todd Bowles, AND Mike Macc won’t have the final say on which QB the Jets draft, I think this is an ownership decision in the end, and they will use the scouting reports, but whichever kid impresses Johnson the most during private visits will be the Jets pick IMO, probably Allen then Rosen if I had to guess. For some reason the Jets have not scheduled a private visit, or workout yet with Darnold, either ultimate smoke screen, known fact Browns already made up their minds, or stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, pointman said: You lost me at the whole 'Todd isn't as dumb as he looks' part. Just doesn't compute. But what if Todd isn’t as dumb as he actually is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Using the words "Bowles" and "genius" in the same sentence, is, well, LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Bowles is frustratingly honest The simple fact is the Jets just finished the scouting process and probably do have 6 prospects they like It wouldn't surprise me at all if the order changes several times in the next 2 weeks I don't think it was a smokescreen I think people assume nfl teams are run by fans who get their opinions from mock drafts At the end of the day, they traded up to get a QB. Anything can still happen, someone could get "tunsiled" on draft day The Jets could swap with the giants Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: The best smokescreens are the ones you don’t see coming—like when the Bears sign a bunch of QBs (Glennon & Sanchez) and then trade up from 3 to 2 to draft Trubisky, or when the Eagles sign a bunch of QBs (Bradford & Daniels) and then trade up from 8 to 2 to draft Wentz. **We could be setting the stage to recoup a high second round pick, and then some** Okay, we need to start a "what do we talk about in the month prior to the draft?" thread. In regards to this post: "What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds?" 1. Todd Bowles is, in fact, as dumb as he looks and sounds. Three seasons have proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. "What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)?" 2. Who cares who the Browns pick? Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield are the top QBs, and we are guaranteed to get one of them with the #3 pick. "What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there?" 3. Why would we trade up to the #3 spot and then turn around and trade down in the same draft? That was just one of Bowles' typically stupid and nonsensical comments. "What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3." 4. See point #3. We gave up our 2 second rounders, and we don't want to give up a first rounder next season, so we really have nothing left to trade up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Clouds Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Il Mostro said: What if...nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Quit messin’ with my mind dude!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Larz said: Bowles is frustratingly honest The simple fact is the Jets just finished the scouting process and probably do have 6 prospects they like It wouldn't surprise me at all if the order changes several times in the next 2 weeks I don't think it was a smokescreen I think people assume nfl teams are run by fans who get their opinions from mock drafts At the end of the day, they traded up to get a QB. Anything can still happen, someone could get "tunsiled" on draft day The Jets could swap with the giants Who knows? I think Bowles honestly thinks there is 6-7 guys HE will want to draft at 3, and probably thinks he can try, and pound the table for those 6-7 defenders he wants at 3, and get his way for a 4th straight draft, yes that is how dumb Bowles is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Greenseed4 said: The best smokescreens are the ones you don’t see coming—like when the Bears sign a bunch of QBs (Glennon & Sanchez) and then trade up from 3 to 2 to draft Trubisky, or when the Eagles sign a bunch of QBs (Bradford & Daniels) and then trade up from 8 to 2 to draft Wentz. What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds? What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)? What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there? What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3. Because Math. **We could be setting the stage to recoup a high second round pick, and then some** No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Browns have zero fear the Jets will take the player they want at 3, or trade out WHEN they select their hand picked QB at 1 overall, it’s the Giants they are concerned with, and if they want to secure their top 2 players they would call the Giants, and swap with them, and IF the Giants are not taking a QB, or Barkley then that’s the trade for both teams to make, BUT the Giants are not doing jack sh*t until the Browns hand in that card because if it’s not Darnold they are staying put, and drafting Darnold I’d bet the farm on it. The Browns CAN’T trade with the Jets because if the draft goes Darnold Allen they are screwed, Rosen has stated he won’t play there bluff, or not I believe he is off their board, and the Browns QB board from the sounds of it is Darnold Allen 1A 1B everyone else. You’re looking at it backwards. Drafting Barkley at 1, and then their QB at 3, means they’ll still get one of their top 2 QBs, and it will cost less than moving to #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, C Mart said: 27 days... This won't matter . These folks have been making blanket statement about folks intelligence based on their limited knowledge for years . I have a hard enough time being smart enough to do what I have to on a daily basis, so imagine how insane I would be if I thought I could do everyone else's job before than them because I thought I was smarter than them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, Il Mostro said: What if...nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? You're all in my dream. I exist. Edit...I need better dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Freemanm said: Okay, we need to start a "what do we talk about in the month prior to the draft?" thread. In regards to this post: "What if... Todd Bowles isn’t as dumb as he looks and sounds?" 1. Todd Bowles is, in fact, as dumb as he looks. Three seasons has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. "What if... The Browns really do have their QB faves down to two (Darnold, Allen)?" 2. Who cares who the Browns pick? Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield are the top QBs, and we are guaranteed to get one of them with the #3 pick. "What if... Bowles weird “6-7 guys” comment isn’t a “smokescreen” at all, but a huge Front Page Ad that the Jets will trade back from #3 to #4 cause the guy they (really, really) want will still be there?" 3. Why would we trade up to the #3 spot and then turn around and trade down in the same draft? That was just one of Bowles' typically stupid and nonsensical comments. "What if... The Jets are baiting the Browns into taking the RB at #1 overall because if they then trade with us, one of their top-2 QBs will still be there at #3." 4. See point #3. We gave up our 2 second rounders, and we don't want to give up a first rounder next season, so we really have nothing left to trade up with. We’d be trading down. From 3 to 4. and getting back picks. Why trade up? To get one of the top-3. If we propose this trade with the Browns and they go RB at 1... wait for it... we still get a top-3 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Greenseed4 said: We’d be trading down. From 3 to 4. and getting back picks. Why trade up? To get one of the top-3. If we propose this trade with the Browns and they go RB at 1... wait for it... we still get a top-3 QB. What if the Browns then trade back out? What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 once you trade up you don't trade back down you lose too much on each exchange it would be like going to the airport, trading all your dollars for euros and then trading them back to dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Here's an interesting scenario . Since nobody actually knows for sue who will be drafted with the 1st 2 picks, could it be possible that the 6-7 guys Bowles speaks of includes 4 QBs, a RB, an Edge rusher and maybe an OG ? All 6-7 of those prospects could be available at 3 hypothetically . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Tinstar said: Here's an interesting scenario . Since nobody actually knows for sue who will be drafted with the 1st 2 picks, could it be possible that the 6-7 guys Bowles speaks of includes 4 QBs, a RB, an Edge rusher and maybe an OG ? All 6-7 of those prospects could be available at 3 hypothetically . No... but 5 of them could be DBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: once you trade up you don't trade back down you lose too much on each exchange it would be like going to the airport, trading all your dollars for euros and then trading them back to dollars. Except you don’t lose value on the trade down exchange. I get it. It’s not common. But neither is trading up before pro days. Our goal was to get into the top-4, as long as we stay there, there is nothing wrong with recouping value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: What if the Browns then trade back out? What a mess. Why would the Browns trade up from 4 to 3, then trade back out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 What if the head coach isn't responsible for drafting players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Todd Bowles and brilliant should NEVER be in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Maxman said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 Perhaps a different angle. If the Browns are targeting one of Darnold or Allen, and they also want a “HOF generational RB” what draft slots do they need to secure to ensure getting both targets? If the Jets want to ensure a top-3 QB, and a non-QB gets drafted at #1 overall, what slot do they need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: Also I am of the opinion that Todd Bowles, AND Mike Macc won’t have the final say on which QB the Jets draft, I think this is an ownership decision in the end, and they will use the scouting reports, but whichever kid impresses Johnson the most during private visits will be the Jets pick IMO, probably Allen then Rosen if I had to guess. For some reason the Jets have not scheduled a private visit, or workout yet with Darnold, either ultimate smoke screen, known fact Browns already made up their minds, or stupidity. There is a chance that the Darnold camp is just not scheduling visits and workouts with anyone beyond browns and Giants. Is there any evidence that Darnold has worked out for other teams like buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: Perhaps a different angle. If the Browns are targeting one of Darnold or Allen, and they also want a “HOF generational RB” what draft slots do they need to secure to ensure getting both targets? If the Jets want to ensure a top-3 QB, and a non-QB gets drafted at #1 overall, what slot do they need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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