Integrity28 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Has anyone put together a gap analysis for Mac's strategy for how to build a team (through the draft) and the actual approach he's taken? In 3 years of drafting he's managed to get us what, maybe 5 guys that pass as NFL caliber players: Adams, Leo, Maye, Shell and Jenkins. He's dropped soundbytes about competitive rebuilds, and began his tenure with a huge amount of cap space which was spent on players that predominantly were useless to the team after 18 months. So, effectively Mac has barely impacted the roster in 3 years through the draft. Alternatively, he's barely impacted it through FA. Now we find ourselves in year 4. He's burned 3 drafts. He traded away the most valuable draft capital we have in the upcoming draft so he can select his 3rd QB in 4 years. He's signed FA aggressively. Yet, more often than not, most of Mac's moves are to address positions he already addressed 12-18 months prior. For example: He's given FA contracts to Fitz twice, McCown twice, drafted 2 QBs, Bridgewater, and I want to say some other backend FA QBs. Now he's spending the bulk of this draft on: QB. He gave huge contracts to Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, and a couple of safeties. Now he's giving huge contracts to more corners, drafting all safeties (last year). The point of these examples being, if you inherit a roster with holes... and patch those holes with players that need to be immediately replace, you never have the opportunity to fix the original problem. I feel as though Mac has been trying to fill the same 3-4 roster spots for going on 4 years, which is why the majority of the roster is mired in mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 This guy has a damn problem You’d imagine he’d be Kramer-esque but he always sounds like he just took a handful of Valium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Trumaine Johnson, crowell, Pryor etc all busts already! Fire Mac!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets rooter Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I cannot believe that he and bowels are still with the jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patriot Killa Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 He’s was a rookie GM learning on the job..he already seems more with the program then he was when he first started. be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Has anyone put together a gap analysis for Mac's strategy for how to build a team (through the draft) and the actual approach he's taken? In 3 years of drafting he's managed to get us what, maybe 5 guys that pass as NFL caliber players: Adams, Leo, Maye, Shell and Jenkins. He's dropped soundbytes about competitive rebuilds, and began his tenure with a huge amount of cap space which was spent on players that predominantly were useless to the team after 18 months. So, effectively Mac has barely impacted the roster in 3 years through the draft. Alternatively, he's barely impacted it through FA. Now we find ourselves in year 4. He's burned 3 drafts. He traded away the most valuable draft capital we have in the upcoming draft so he can select his 3rd QB in 4 years. He's signed FA aggressively. Yet, more often than not, most of Mac's moves are to address positions he already addressed 12-18 months prior. For example: He's given FA contracts to Fitz twice, McCown twice, drafted 2 QBs, Bridgewater, and I want to say some other backend FA QBs. Now he's spending the bulk of this draft on: QB. He gave huge contracts to Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, and a couple of safeties. Now he's giving huge contracts to more corners, drafting all safeties (last year). The point of these examples being, if you inherit a roster with holes... and patch those holes with players that need to be immediately replace, you never have the opportunity to fix the original problem. I feel as though Mac has been trying to fill the same 3-4 roster spots for going on 4 years, which is why the majority of the roster is mired in mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Terrible move, trading a few second rounders to secure a FQB, which we haven't had since Ken O'Brien and is the most important position on the field. Sorry Chad, you were always injured. I think the Jets have only had two FQBs in their history. This draft is all about the QBs if you don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Has any team been more unsuccessful at drafting WRs than the Jets? Serious question. And this isn’t all on Macc but he’s continued the trend started by Idzik and his 4 WRs of which only Enunwa is still here. And forget about Stephen Hill. Holy smokes....that 2nd round! Will Hansen and/or Stewart step up? Goodbye Devin Smith this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Draft mediocre LB or WR or QB.....rinse and repeat. That’s been Macc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 He’s done an awful job, but at least he’s now doing an awful job with younger players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 If you keep hiring guys that have never done the job before, you eventually have to give one of them time to learn the job Why would anyone believe anything an NFL GM says about the approach they are taking? They usually don't want to give anything away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Untouchable said: This guy has a damn problem You’d imagine he’d be Kramer-esque but he always sounds like he just took a handful of Valium. The guy is a fake, probably water he puts in those coffee cups to play it off as though he is always burning the midnight oil. Probably doesn't even know how to use that computer which is a prop. The only thing he knows is..."Irish QB, never been to a play-off game? Perfect, I'm putting him on the Roster to start"..."Oh great I was able to sign McCown again for $10Mill so that makes about 35 YEARS between him and Fitzpatrick of NO PLAY-OFFS, I just bid against myself, again, in handing out the 10 but that's ok". I wouldn't be surprised if he ups the farm to trade up to 1 for Darnold, who looks Irish. Whatever rookie QB does get drafted he'll be working behind that Oline that is STILL a sieve. 3 Drafts and the highest OLineman picked by Maccagnan was in the 5th Rd, when any idiot knows that when building a team the OLine is the most important Unit of all. Just a clueless dolt, who if he had guts and wasn't protecting his job with a Consensus 1st Rd pick, AGAIN, would have picked Mahomes or Watson last year and the Jets would STILL have 3 2nd Rd picks. Those are the picks you NEED when rebuilding a Roster. The real question I want to know is who the sadist is going to be who is hired to select the next GM/Head coach? Maybe they can ask Korn Ferry or Casserly for advice again...think they will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 He helped draft absolute studs on the Texans, I believe he'll get that magic back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanJet Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Its hard to imagine how much the offensive line (and offense in general) has been ignored over these past 10 years. It worries me that Mac does not seem to put a premium on building up the offensive line he seems to try and get value at the lower end of the draft and patch it up with sub par players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Don't care about the past. In his defense, the cupboard was bare when he took the helm. All I care about right now is with him picking the right guy at #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 59 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Don't care about the past. In his defense, the cupboard was bare when he took the helm. All I care about right now is with him picking the right guy at #3. You should care about the past since it’s a good gauge of the future, as the saying goes, “those who don’t learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them”...well keeping this guy on another year along with one of the bottom 3 coaches in the league....I’d say the Jets don’t know that saying, and unfortunately I have no confidence in who they’ll pick at 3 but I hope for the best. And even if the guy picked is actually great, is this coaching staff even equipped to coach the kid up? Just way too many mistake by ownership on who they hire...and it’s not just Maccagnan/Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Untouchable said: This guy has a damn problem You’d imagine he’d be Kramer-esque but he always sounds like he just took a handful of Valium. Doesn't he have a garbage can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Larz said: If you keep hiring guys that have never done the job before, you eventually have to give one of them time to learn the job Why would anyone believe anything an NFL GM says about the approach they are taking? They usually don't want to give anything away Are you saying no first time GM has ever had success? 4 minutes ago, RobR said: Doesn't he have a garbage can? Yeah. He gave it a boatload of money. Name of Buster Skrine. 2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: He’s was a rookie GM learning on the job..he already seems more with the program then he was when he first started. be patient. More with the program? This post literally says he’s doing all the same things he has always done and hoping for better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just now, CrazyCarl40 said: Are you saying no first time GM has ever had success? Yeah. He gave it a boatload if money. Name of Buster Skrine. More with the program? This post literally says he’s doing all the same things he has always done and hoping for better results. He’s done a better job of sticking to the script in FA. He’s done a decent job fixing the secondary after the 2015 spending frenzy. He’s got to fix this LB core and I think Avery Williamson is a good pick up. Only paying Teddy 500k and bringing back McCown are just insurance moves and he’s done what a lot of folks didn’t think he had the gut to do and thats trade up into the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I don't know what to do with this guy... he seems to run the business end quite well. Smart with money, makes good trades, acts with prudence.. Some may disagree, but they're wrong... Yet, this guy cannot figure out player evaluation to save his penis... which is astonishing given his background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 The plan is simple. Stay young as much as possible. Only 3 guys are 30 or older. Find a QB. He’s on that. Find a pass rusher. That’s next year. Easy. Peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Paradis said: I don't know what to do with this guy... he seems to run the business end quite well. Smart with money, makes good trades, acts with prudence.. Some may disagree, but they're wrong... Yet, this guy cannot figure out player evaluation to save his penis... which is astonishing given his background. If by good trades you mean the player he traded for is off the roster the following year then you are right. Truth is he's been a disaster at every level of GMing. I'll give him props for the Richardson trade and that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, RobR said: If by good trades you mean the player he traded for is off the roster the following year then you are right. Truth is he's been a disaster at every level of GMing. I'll give him props for the Richardson trade and that is it. eh, i think me and you both agree on a lot of things personnel related, but it's not all bad all the time. You're a pretty black and white dude, but life is a lot of grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, Paradis said: eh, i think me and you both agree on a lot of things personnel related, but it's not all bad all the time. You're a pretty black and white dude, but life is a lot of grey. I know you already know what I think of this regime and I'm not going to rehash it here ad naseum. Giving Mac a grey is a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, RobR said: I know you already know what I think of this regime and I'm not going to rehash it here ad naseum. Giving Mac a grey is a stretch. If he had the balls(?) to swallow his pride and hire a vp of personnel type - i think things would be dramatically better. His inability to understand players/roster development has been crippling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, RobR said: If by good trades you mean the player he traded for is off the roster the following year then you are right. Truth is he's been a disaster at every level of GMing. I'll give him props for the Richardson trade and that is it. Still got very good production out most of his trades for peanuts. Fitz Marshall Kearse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 If "I" had the balls? Just ribbing I know it was mistake. I'm going to leave it at this: If this Fing guy did his job we wouldn't be in this position to start with. Do you want to know how too avoid a full rebuild three years into his regime: Draft good players.....something he hasn't done. You could also sign good free agents....another miss right there. And now you want someone to hold his fricking hand to make decisions. Really? How about holding him accountable for a roster that is now going on four years at his helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Still got very good production out most of his trades for peanuts. Fitz Marshall Kearse LOL Two guys off the roster and one hanging by a thread. We were supposed to be building through the draft for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, RobR said: LOL Two guys off the roster and one hanging by a thread. We were supposed to be building through the draft for the future. Yeah....I acknowledged that point. But you also have a QB that set a TD franchise record who was had for a 6th round pick and a Wide Reciever who shattered franchise records for a 5th round pick. He got a 2nd rd pick and Kearse for Sheldon and that 2nd round pick was used to move up for our eventual FQB. Yeah, he needs to build through the draft but he was obviously told to try a competitive rebuild with the roster as old as it was in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 43 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Yeah....I acknowledged that point. But you also have a QB that set a TD franchise record who was had for a 6th round pick and a Wide Reciever who shattered franchise records for a 5th round pick. He got a 2nd rd pick and Kearse for Sheldon and that 2nd round pick was used to move up for our eventual FQB. Yeah, he needs to build through the draft but he was obviously told to try a competitive rebuild with the roster as old as it was in 2015. Does a competitive rebuild consist of drafting like crap for three years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, RobR said: Does a competitive rebuild consist of drafting like crap for three years? I never said anything about his drafts. We were talking about his trades, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I never said anything about his drafts. We were talking about his trades, no? If you think trading away draft picks for a team that was supposedly rebuilding and starting from scratch.....then no, they were terrible trades. They put up career numbers in a league that stresses offense and didn't even make the playoffs. Thinking Fitz is your savior is grounds enough for firing. If I had the time I would break down every trade he made, but I don't. I'm sure that would be telling considering his success rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: He’s done a better job of sticking to the script in FA. He’s done a decent job fixing the secondary after the 2015 spending frenzy. He’s got to fix this LB core and I think Avery Williamson is a good pick up. Only paying Teddy 500k and bringing back McCown are just insurance moves and he’s done what a lot of folks didn’t think he had the gut to do and thats trade up into the top 3. We already know all this. The point is he just doesn't get enough right. And I don't want to hear about learning on the fly. He's been in football his entire adult life. He must have envisioned how he'd run a team long before he was hired here. There is a saying in chess: "A bad plan is better than no plan at all." If Mac had/has a plan he hasn't stuck to it, to say the least. At worst he's clueless. The Peter principle is a concept in management theory formulated by educator Laurence J. Peter and published in 1969. ... Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, RobR said: If you think trading away draft picks for a team that was supposedly rebuilding and starting from scratch.....then no, they were terrible trades. They put up career numbers in a league that stresses offense and didn't even make the playoffs. Thinking Fitz is your savior is grounds enough for firing. If I had the time I would break down every trade he made, but I don't. I'm sure that would be telling considering his success rate. That’s just it. It really wasn’t a rebuild until it was perfectly evident that it was needed. They had success, an old roster and wanted to try it again the next year...didn’t work. Lol I don’t understand what you don’t understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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