King P Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I post on another forum and one of the posters there is a poster who is a Giants fan who claims to be plugged in and has broken news before, other posters have vouched for him too (basically what @Mogglez is on here). And he dropped some info today. I though I would post it here because what the Giants do does affect us come draft time. I put rumor because of course it can't 100% be verified. But hey, why not speculate. We do it on here already. But here's what's been said... - Odell Beckham is definitely going to be traded. The situation is still fluid so he doesn't know all the details, but it is indeed happening - There are 3 teams that are ready to give both the Giants and Odell what they desire. The Rams are 1 of them. - Does not know exactly what the Giants will get, but it will be a lot (picks + players) - Giants plan on running the ball alot this season (believes they they get OL pieces in the Beckham trade) As for the draft... - The guy breaking all this loves Rosen as much as we do, but he is now under the impression that Rosen will NOT be the pick at 2 - Believes that the Giants will take Saquon Barkley (replacing 1 exciting play with another) - Confirmed that the Giants would never trade with the Jets and that they never called to inquire about the #2 pick. Like I said, this is speculation. But if true, this bodes well for us. And Rosen would be all but ours. Your thoughts guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Thanks for passing this along. The thing with drafting Barkley is this—you’re trading your best offensive player and second best defensive player, but you’re still going to consider yourself a win-now team? By the time the Giants rebuild again, Barkley will be toast. And if it’s the Rams they’re getting the first from, that pick isn’t getting them a QB. Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, T0mShane said: Thanks for passing this along. The thing with drafting Barkley is this—you’re trading your best offensive player and second best defensive player, but you’re still going to consider yourself a win-now team? By the time the Giants rebuild again, Barkley will be toast. And if it’s the Rams they’re getting the first from, that pick isn’t getting them a QB. Weird That's what I said. Barkley should only be the pick of you're really trying to win now. If you're trading Odell away, that signals rebuild to. And in that situation, taking Barkley makes no sense. Should go QB. But when I said that, he said the Giants are gonna be focusing on running the ball. Consider their new GM Gettleman is very old school though, it doesn't completely surprise me. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw how well the Jags did with O-Line and running, and thought he could emulate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Who are the Giants current RBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, King P said: That's what I said. Barkley should only be the pick of you're really trying to win now. If you're trading Odell away, that signals rebuild to. And in that situation, taking Barkley makes no sense. Should go QB. But when I said that, he said the Giants are gonna be focusing on running the ball. Consider their new GM Gettleman is very old school though, it doesn't completely surprise me. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw how well the Jags did with O-Line and running, and thought he could emulate that It will definitely be interesting. I think it’ll be Gettleman wanting Barkley and everyone else in the organization wanting Rosen or Darnold, and whoever wins that battle gets to make the pick. One other thing: that receiving corps is trash without Odell. Maybe hey go after Dez Bryant when he’s cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, jetstream23 said: Who are the Giants current RBs? Jonathan Stewart, Paul Perkins, some other dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persiussa Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 It just makes me wonder if the Odell trade makes it more or less likely that the giants trade down from 2. If you trade Odell the rebuild is happening now in my opinion and it only makes sense to take a qb at 2. If you keep him then you add to the talent by taking a great running back and trying to get the most out of Eli if you want to do it that way. Personally I think they’re nuts if they don’t go QB and I think they should do it regardless of the situation but I’m not the gm. It’ll be our luck if the Giants pass on qb and don’t trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Similar to the Browns looking QB at #1 and RB at #4, I could see the Giants go QB in Rd. 1 and RB at the top of Rd. 2. They could even move higher from their Rd. 2 spot and get the 2nd or 3rd best RB in this Draft. Think Darnold and D. Guice...not a bad Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, King P said: I post on another forum and one of the posters there is a poster who is a Giants fan who claims to be plugged in and has broken news before, other posters have vouched for him too (basically what @Mogglez is on here). what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Thanks for passing this along. The thing with drafting Barkley is this—you’re trading your best offensive player and second best defensive player, but you’re still going to consider yourself a win-now team? By the time the Giants rebuild again, Barkley will be toast. And if it’s the Rams they’re getting the first from, that pick isn’t getting them a QB. Weird Hey. Gentleman took mcaffery top 10. He ain’t afraid. They can still be win now without obj. Especially if they take Barkley and he’s as good as advertised. Oline gets better. They could take a pass rusher with their extra first pick they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Not sure how ultimately you sell Barkley/Eli/ Rams #1 pick over Beckham + Rosen or Darnold. The Giants know Eli is done and this is their shot to get a replacement. A RB has a shelf life of at best 6 years,a real franchise QB a decade plus. And the NFL is now about passing effectively and running enough only to keep the defense honest or run clock if you're leading a game late. Gettleman is going to have a very angray fan base on his hands. Beckham is a tool, but a talented one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Who are the Giants current RBs? Uhh.... Old Man Stewart, some other dude, and a 35 yr old undrafted FA named Jimothy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Bugg said: Not sure how ultimately you sell Barkley/Eli/ Rams #1 pick over Beckham + Rosen or Darnold. The Giants know Eli is done and this is their shot to get a replacement. A RB has a shelf life of at best 6 years,a real franchise QB a decade plus. And the NFL is now about passing effectively and running enough only to keep the defense honest or run clock if you're leading a game late. Gettleman is going to have a very angray fan base on his hands. Beckham is a tool, but a talented one. With the draft picks they'll get for OBJ they can still get a QB, and key o-line pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Who are the Giants current RBs? Lol..few no names and an old ass Jonathan Stewert that they signed this offseason. He isn’t the starter and there is no clear starter....they want Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Thanks for passing this along. The thing with drafting Barkley is this—you’re trading your best offensive player and second best defensive player, but you’re still going to consider yourself a win-now team? By the time the Giants rebuild again, Barkley will be toast. And if it’s the Rams they’re getting the first from, that pick isn’t getting them a QB. Weird The thing with Barkley is you are getting a RB, and a WR. If we knew what we know now about Leveon bell or David Johnson and they were in this draft were would you take them. It is a copy cat league and they may see that potential in Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Hey. Gentleman took mcaffery top 10. He ain’t afraid. They can still be win now without obj. Especially if they take Barkley and he’s as good as advertised. Oline gets better. They could take a pass rusher with their extra first pick they get. I don’t know, man. The Giants have holes all over the place and trading Odell creates a monstrous one at WR, leaving them with Sterling Shepard, Brandon Marshall, and a bunch of UDFAs. The Rams pick is in the twenties and it’s a brutal draft for pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, hawk said: The thing with Barkley is you are getting a RB, and a WR. If we knew what we know now about Leveon bell or David Johnson and they were in this draft were would you take them. It is a copy cat league and they may see that potential in Barkley. I mean. Leveon plays with two HoFs at QB and WR, and the Cardinals have been garbage even with David Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I don’t know, man. The Giants have holes all over the place and trading Odell creates a monstrous one at WR, leaving them with Sterling Shepard, Brandon Marshall, and a bunch of UDFAs. The Rams pick is in the twenties and it’s a brutal draft for pass rushers. I don’t think they have that many holes. And with a better efficient running game, that helps the defense. I mean Eli did win two Super Bowls without Odell. And who knows. Maybe a higher team in the draft like the niners make the trade plus a good player or two thrown in. It doesn’t feel like the giants are high on the QBs except maybe Darnold. And rather take a higher ranked player. Also why I don’t think the browns trade down at all. They want quality over quantity. They have enough picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, MDL_JET said: I don’t think they have that many holes. And with a better efficient running game, that helps the defense. I mean Eli did win two Super Bowls without Odell. And who knows. Maybe a higher team in the draft like the niners make the trade plus a good player or two thrown in. It doesn’t feel like the giants are high on the QBs except maybe Darnold. And rather take a higher ranked player. Also why I don’t think the browns trade down at all. They want quality over quantity. They have enough picks. If I’m giving up Odell, it’s for s top ten pick and change. Not that I’d want to pay Odell, but he is a freak talent and I’ve gotta get compensated with a freak talent. I’d make the Browns give me the fourth overall pick, even if it meant me throwing in a later pick with Odell to get it. That way I can pick Rosen and Barkley, and sell that as my future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If I’m giving up Odell, it’s for s top ten pick and change. Not that I’d want to pay Odell, but he is a freak talent and I’ve gotta get compensated with a freak talent. I’d make the Browns give me the fourth overall pick, even if it meant me throwing in a later pick with Odell to get it. That way I can pick Rosen and Barkley, and sell that as my future. Funny because it's being said now that the 49ers are the 2nd team in the Odell sweepstakes. They have a Top 10 pick. And the cap space to pay Odell. Plus a QB in place. They're the team I'd watch out for in the Beckham sweepstakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Nobody is giving up a lot for Odell Beckham. They'll be lucky if they get more than a 1st rounder for him. He's a very good player and still young but he's a nut job and coming off an injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 F the Giants. F Odell. But thanks for the opportunity for me to say "F the Giants", OP. Appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Thanks for passing this along. The thing with drafting Barkley is this—you’re trading your best offensive player and second best defensive player, but you’re still going to consider yourself a win-now team? By the time the Giants rebuild again, Barkley will be toast. And if it’s the Rams they’re getting the first from, that pick isn’t getting them a QB. Weird Ground and bound worked for us in 09/10. And Sanchez was a much sh*tttier qb then Eli, even in his old age ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said: Nobody is giving up a lot for Odell Beckham. They'll be lucky if they get more than a 1st rounder for him. He's a very good player and still young but he's a nut job and coming off an injury He is a major game changer for offense. Look at what we got trading revis coming off major injury, top 10 pick for a Cornerback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Jonathan Stewart, Paul Perkins, some other dude. The other rb is the African guy the Jets we’re interested in and Chump wants to deport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 With the uncertainty of whom the Giants will pick I believe the Browns are going to take Barkley at #1. This assures them of getting one of the top 3 QB's for the future and a very good piece for their offense now and in the future. That is the only way the Browns can be assured of getting both Barkley and their future QB. I would not be surprised to see it and neither should anyone else. The Giants would then almost have to take Darnold and the Jets would have their pick of Rosen/Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Trading OBJ is the correct move and the Giants could have the basis for a dynasty with the bounty of picks they'd get for him AND trading down - as long as they choose wisely. Gettleman is already stripping the stink of Jerry Reese off the Giants (Trading JPP and FOR a LB, cutting DRC & Hart, signing OL & RB, etc.) and he's in FULL REBUILD mode; Eli keeps fans in seats while Gettleman's draft picks bake in the oven and gain experience to compete - on ORIGINAL Rookie Contracts - within 2-3 years. They could have 5 starting players for what OBJ is demanding as annual salary. The key is Webb. IF the new regime thinks Webb is JUST as sufficient as any of these QB prospects, Giants could just stock the team with talent and hand Webb the keys to the Porsche by 2019. I think Giants PASS on QB, go with either Nelson or Chubb, and the Jets get to choose between whoever is NOT selected by Cleveland: Allen, Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 This news is basically confirming what we have heard from Francessa, Paul D'Atino, Anita Marks and Carl Banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Even with barkley, what makes the giants offense special is Odell. The other weapons are ok, nothing special, and even with barkley, you can stack the box, and dare an aging, immobile Eli to beat you. If the giants think they can contend this way they're fooling themselves. The NFC is stacked and even wild card spots are tough to get. The giants should draft a qb at 2 and then address rb in rounds 2 or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: Lol..few no names and an old ass Jonathan Stewert that they signed this offseason. He isn’t the starter and there is no clear starter....they want Barkley. Yup agreed they take Barkley IMO but ONLY if Cleveland stupidly passes on Darnold. Then all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: Yup agreed they take Barkley IMO but ONLY if Cleveland stupidly passes on Darnold. Then all bets are off. Yeah, they definitely go Darnold if the Browns pass which turns out good for us because Rosen will fall right in our laps in both scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: Yeah, they definitely go Darnold if the Browns pass which turns out good for us because Rosen will fall right in our laps in both scenarios. Increasingly it seems more unlikely that the giants trade the pick, they can get a true impact player or qb. It makes it even more prescient that mccagnan traded up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: With the uncertainty of whom the Giants will pick I believe the Browns are going to take Barkley at #1. This assures them of getting one of the top 3 QB's for the future and a very good piece for their offense now and in the future. That is the only way the Browns can be assured of getting both Barkley and their future QB. I would not be surprised to see it and neither should anyone else. The Giants would then almost have to take Darnold and the Jets would have their pick of Rosen/Mayfield/Allen. Damn Sam, That's not a bad scenario there and very likely, as long as the Browns have top QB's all rated fairly even. At the worst there would be 2 of the top 4 left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Yeah, they definitely go Darnold if the Browns pass which turns out good for us because Rosen will fall right in our laps in both scenarios. Or Allen. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 *unrelated* @King P That fight is tomorrow - no? AJ - but what time is at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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