MMQB: Mora keeps low-key trashing Rosen.

[T0mShane]

From Peter King’s MMQB: 

 

I spoke with Mora on Sunday, and he understands the tornado his words created. But he stood by his point that Darnold and his don’t-worry, be-happy ethos (my words, not his) would be a better long-haul fit for a Cleveland team that likely will take a while to win. “I put it in the context of ‘fit,’” Mora told me. He strongly emphasized the word “fit” in our conversation. He said Darnold has “the underdog mentality that I think will fit so well in Cleveland, a franchise that’s really been down.”

Of his own quarterback, Mora said: “Josh, I think, without a doubt, is the number one quarterback in the draft. He’s a franchise-changer. He’s got the ability to have an immediate impact. His arm talent, intelligence, and his ability to see the game and diagnose the game is rare. He’d come to the sidelines after a play and it was uncanny—he could right away say exactly why he made every decision.

 

“He needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn’t get bored. He’s a millennial. He wants to know why. Millennials, once they know why, they’re good. Josh has a lot of interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level and focus only on football for a few years, he will set the world on fire. He has so much ability, and he’s a really good kid.” It sounded like Mora thinks Rosen would be well-served to be pushed by quarterback mentors like Shurmur (Giants) or Jeremy Bates (Jets), and to learn for a year or so from Eli Manning (Giants) or Josh McCown (Jets).

[Integrity28]

He’s not bashing. He’s trying to keep him out of Cleveland.

[Warfish]

Heard coverage of these and other quotes this morning on NFL on Sirius:

Honestly, least surprising 'trash talk' ever:  Rosen has off field interests (shock!) and maybe doesn't "love" football like others (shock!) and is difficult to coach (shock!) and needs to be kept on the motivated path (shock!) to be the great potential talent he can be.

i.e. Mora, the recently fired guy, only reinforces everything that's already been said about Rosen ad neasuem in the NFL 'scouting' press.

If the doubts about Rosen had you avoiding him before, this changes nothing.  You'll still avoid.

If the doubts about Rosen didn't have you concerned before, this changes nothing.  It's nothing we haven't heard before.  

[bla bla bla]

I don't think Rosen wants to play in Cleveland and I don't think Cleveland wants Rosen. I don't know how to gauge how teams feel about Rosen, he's the most polished of the QBs but I could see him go anywhere from 2-12. The anxiety from the draft will be the end of me haha.

[Kleckineau]

This kid has a great arm and a cardboard head. Dont want.

[dbatesman]

****en millennials

[Jetster]

Sounds to me like the Jets traded up for Baker Mayfield! Would you trade up in a draft for a kid who might not LOVE football & has other interests or a kid who walked on to 2 teams, came out on top both times, has confidence in spades & lives, eats & breathes football?

With the 3rd pick in the 2018 draft...The NY Jets select Baker Mayfield..Oklahoma.

[HessStation]

Aren't they all millennials? 

[HessStation]

2 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Sounds to me like the Jets traded up for Baker Mayfield! Would you trade up in a draft for a kid who might not LOVE football & has other interests or a kid who walked on to 2 teams, came out on top both times, has confidence in spades & lives, eats & breathes football?

With the 3rd pick in the 2018 draft...The NY Jets select Baker Mayfield..Oklahoma.

Sorry but the arrest video gives me huge pause. That sounds like a little spoiling bitch who couldnt handle being held accountable. 

Anyway, Mayfield would still be my #2 behind Rosen.

[bitonti]

Aren't they all millennials? 

Somehow Allen and Darnold make it through their days without endlessly posting bull crap

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[Jetster]

Just now, HessStation said:

Sorry but the arrest video gives me huge pause. That sounds like a little spoiling bitch who couldnt handle being held accountable. 

Anyway, Mayfield would still be my #2 choice behind Rosen.

I've come to the conclusion it will be Mayfield, Rosen or Allen and I honestly have no problem with any of them. 

I said after Geno, the Jets need to keep picking QBs until they find one. They should have drafted Bridgewater, they should have drafted Watson last year. The Jets faithful had finally had it with this group & they knew it was get a QB again or go home. 

[T0mShane]

Mora is calling Rosen someone you don’t want in your foxhole, who won’t automatically buy into your program if he deems it unworthy. He’d implode on this Jets team.

[FTL Jet Fan]

If you can hold his concentration level and focus only on football for a few years, he will set the world on fire.

That quote sounds pretty concerning to me. I wouldn't  want to draft a guy that I have to keep his concentration on football for a few years. 

[Philc1]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mora is calling Rosen someone you don’t want in your foxhole, who won’t automatically buy into your program if he deems it unworthy. He’d implode on this Jets team.

But the 6 foot system qb who runs drunk from cops, grabs his crotch at the 50 yard  and line andthrows balls at other team’s players’ heads during warmups  will do great with Todd Bowles and New York

 

 

Got it

 

[HessStation]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mora is calling Rosen someone you don’t want in your foxhole, who won’t automatically buy into your program if he deems it unworthy. He’d implode on this Jets team.

It's NFL 2018 brosky, nobody gives a **** anymore except some of us pathetic, dumbass fans who still refuse to wake up, even after being perpetually slapped in the face w weekly reminders for years. 

[Augustiniak]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mora is calling Rosen someone you don’t want in your foxhole, who won’t automatically buy into your program if he deems it unworthy. He’d implode on this Jets team.

it sounds like sour grapes, that mora couldn't succeed in bringing out the best in rosen.  i'm sure bowles can!

[sourceworx]

I think it's a bigger swipe at Darnold and Cleveland. 

Basically called Cleveland an uninteresting sh*thole, while Darnold is a sun-burned puerile-minded simpleton who is dumb enough to like it there.

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, sourceworx said:

I think it's a bigger swipe at Darnold and Cleveland. 

Basically called Cleveland an uninteresting sh*thole, while Darnold is a sun-burned puerile-minded simpleton who is dumb enough to like it there.

I think Darnold is a sleeper fantasy qb next season

[HessStation]

4 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

I think it's a bigger swipe at Darnold and Cleveland. 

Basically called Cleveland an uninteresting sh*thole, while Darnold is a sun-burned puerile-minded simpleton who is dumb enough to like it there.

 I think sourceworx just nailed it lol

[Augustiniak]

Just now, HessStation said:

 I think sourceworx just nailed it lol

could be a great ruse by the two of them, since both nyc teams could pick him and i'm sure he'd rather play there than cleveland or bufalo.  then at 5 you have denver.  so really, barring trades, the only way rosen doesn't end up where he'd be ok playing is if cleveland takes him 1 or 4.

[Jetster]

I'll tell you this, he'll be much happier behind Old man McCown & noodle leg Bridgewater, than sitting behind the Giant legend Eli Manning. Look at the uproar last year when Eli was benched for Geno, lol. I mean seriously, your gonna lose your sh*t over a QB being benched on a team that ended up 2-14. Maybe the aloof Rosen is the perfect fit for our Jets? Bates was called a young genius just a few years ago, so the two of them might just get along & have fun being creative offensively. OMG it's been so freaking long having no offense. 

[MDL_JET]

 

 

Basically everyone is on Rosen’s side and think Mora is an idiot. 

Macs an idiot if he passes on him. 

[Sarge4Tide]

I wish the draft would hurry up and get here so all Jets fans can stop trashing every potential QB and focus their criticism and vitriol on the 1 QB the Jets actually draft 

[Scoop24]

Atleast jets fans can’t call him dumb after he throws his first couple interceptions .. 

[SMC]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Mora is calling Rosen someone you don’t want in your foxhole, who won’t automatically buy into your program if he deems it unworthy. He’d implode on this Jets team.

Are you making these ridiculously takes to train yourself to be disappointed when Jets draft Rosen so you won't be excited?

[IndianaJet]

Isn't Bates a millennial dressed in a gen-xer's body.

 

Isn't this the guy who took a few years off to wander through the woods and ponder life.

 

Sounds like him and Rosen would be a perfect fit.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

But the 6 foot system qb who runs drunk from cops, grabs his crotch at the 50 yard  and line andthrows balls at other team’s players’ heads during warmups  will do great with Todd Bowles and New York

 

 

Got it

 

I wasn’t sure if this post was dramatic enough until you included the four line breaks before “Got it.”

[Pointdexter]

Just my opinion, but this is the kind of noise that fanboys excuse away or altogether blow off before the draft becuase they're seduced by the talent, but then everyone points to after the fact, when the golden boy flames out, stating "We should have all seen it coming."

Me personally, this is enough noise to take a pass. Not worth the risk.

[T0mShane]

22 minutes ago, SMC said:

Are you making these ridiculously takes to train yourself to be disappointed when Jets draft Rosen so you won't be excited?

No, I want Rosen almost exclusively because he’ll stage a coup. It’d be like the CIA installing Noriega.

[Philc1]

40 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

 

 

Basically everyone is on Rosen’s side and think Mora is an idiot. 

Macs an idiot if he passes on him. 

It really sounds like sour grapes by Mora

[Philc1]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

No, I want Rosen almost exclusively because he’ll stage a coup. It’d be like the CIA installing Noriega.

Good point

[Kleckineau]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

No, I want Rosen almost exclusively because he’ll stage a coup. It’d be like the CIA installing Noriega.

Noriega was a system dictator. His game fell apart once they brought him to Miami.

[Pointdexter]

35 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

It really sounds like sour grapes by Mora

Just like it was sour grapes when Hack's coach said he couldn't hit the ocean.

[Augustiniak]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

From Peter King’s MMQB: 

 

I spoke with Mora on Sunday, and he understands the tornado his words created. But he stood by his point that Darnold and his don’t-worry, be-happy ethos (my words, not his) would be a better long-haul fit for a Cleveland team that likely will take a while to win. “I put it in the context of ‘fit,’” Mora told me. He strongly emphasized the word “fit” in our conversation. He said Darnold has “the underdog mentality that I think will fit so well in Cleveland, a franchise that’s really been down.”

Of his own quarterback, Mora said: “Josh, I think, without a doubt, is the number one quarterback in the draft. He’s a franchise-changer. He’s got the ability to have an immediate impact. His arm talent, intelligence, and his ability to see the game and diagnose the game is rare. He’d come to the sidelines after a play and it was uncanny—he could right away say exactly why he made every decision.

 

“He needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn’t get bored. He’s a millennial. He wants to know why. Millennials, once they know why, they’re good. Josh has a lot of interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level and focus only on football for a few years, he will set the world on fire. He has so much ability, and he’s a really good kid.” It sounded like Mora thinks Rosen would be well-served to be pushed by quarterback mentors like Shurmur (Giants) or Jeremy Bates (Jets), and to learn for a year or so from Eli Manning (Giants) or Josh McCown (Jets).

the entire article is interesting on si.com, b/c mora knows rosen well, and his daughter is also good friends with rosen.  so i think it's important to understand the totality of mora's words, which probably weren't chosen lightly.

i read this whole thing as, 'you must understand what you're drafting here'.  he's not your typical qb, you can't just throw him into games and expect him to love football the way other players do, you have a high maintenance mind that if you can correctly stimulate, you have a poor man's peyton, but if not, if you just throw him in with meathead coaches (bowles) you have a potential disaster.  not quite 'buyer beware', but he is definitely trying to communicate to teams like the jets what they need to do on their end if they draft him, since, according to mora, none of these teams have reached out to him.  maybe that's why he's taken to interviews to communicate this, because guys like mccagnan haven't called him to ask.

[Philc1]

4 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

Just like it was sour grapes when Hack's coach said he couldn't hit the ocean.

Great, every qb out of college now = Hackenberg 

 

 

except mayfield ?