Josh Allen vs. Hawaii- Some interesting Gifs

[JoJoTownsell1]

 

 

[dbatesman]

plus the weather was bad that day, gotta take that into account to

[Bruce Harper]

Those other guys' receivers never drop a ball or miss a block.

[FidelioJet]

There's a reason this guy is either the 1st or 2nd best QB on virtually everyone's board.

If he somehow, some way falls to us we should run up with the card and don't look back...

I still say no way the Giants pass on him though.

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Those other guys' receivers never drop a ball or miss a block.

The other guys receivers are all wide open - his don't get open all that much.  I like Baker Mayfield, but I would like to see what he would have done if he was Wyoming's QB.  Or any of the other 3 for that matter.

 

[Bruce Harper]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

There's a reason this guy is either the 1st or 2nd best QB on virtually everyone's board.

If he somehow, some way falls to us we should run up with the card and don't look back...

I still say no way the Giants pass on him though.

I just don't think this is true.  I think he is a product of media hype by guys who pay way too much attention to the combine.  I fully expect him to be there at 3 and I sincerely hope that we don't draft him.

[Adoni Beast]

Allen’s inaccuracy is definitely overblown, however it is still an issue. I can’t see the Giants taking him with the type of scheme Shurmur likes. I can definitely see Cleveland or us taking him.

[56mehl56]

15 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

plus the weather was bad that day, gotta take that into account to

You mean like Darnold's pro day where he had a heroic showing passing in that cold California rain.

[Mike135]

PFF's mock draft 4.0...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-nfl-mock-draft-4

1. CLEVELAND BROWNS (0-16)

QB Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma

The nation’s highest-graded quarterback for two straight years, Mayfield’s production has been at another level than his peers and every way the numbers are sliced, he comes out at or near the top. The NFL is more than just college production, but Mayfield has shown well in important areas, including his ability to make “NFL Throws” (as outlined in our QB Annual as part of PFF Edge) as well as his accuracy on tight-window throws, as he had the highest percentage in the class at 52.4 percent. Mayfield’s accuracy and decision-making make him the top signal-caller in the class.

2. NEW YORK GIANTS (3-13)

QB Sam Darnold, USC

Not far behind Mayfield, Darnold has a few questions to answer after a rough stretch in 2017, but it was still a solid sophomore campaign after an exceptional debut as a redshirt freshman in 2016. He has the special throws in his arsenal, from his middle-of-the-field anticipation, to his ability to throw receivers open in tight windows, to his ability to create big plays outside of structure. The question for Darnold is the turnover-worthy plays that were a problem last year, particularly his ball security in the pocket, but Darnold’s shown efficiency in all aspects of the game and there’s a path to him being the top quarterback in the draft if he can clean up just a few parts of his game. The Giants must take advantage of their positioning at the top of the draft to select their signal-caller of the future.

3. NEW YORK JETS (5-11) – FROM INDIANAPOLIS

QB Josh Rosen, UCLA

The Jets moved up to get a quarterback and despite having Rosen third on our quarterback board, he’s still worth a look here at No. 3 overall. He never really dominated at UCLA, always grading between 84.0 and 86.0 in the PFF system, but he’s an excellent intermediate level thrower where he can squeeze the ball into tight windows. Rosen must improve his decision-making as he’s always been on the lower end of the turnover-worthy play spectrum, but even as a high-volatile passer, he adds enough to the offense to win games and the Jets need a young quarterback capable of making those big-time throws.

15. ARIZONA CARDINALS (8-8)

QB Lamar Jackson, Louisville

One of the draft’s biggest QB-needy teams, the Cardinals will turn to Jackson’s big-play ability. He had the nation’s top rushing grade in each of the last two years, and he’s capable of making multiple reads and tight-window throws, though the down-to-down accuracy is lacking for Jackson at this point in his career. Still, there’s an offense to be built around his skillset, and he’s worth a look in the first round.

22. BUFFALO BILLS – FROM KANSAS CITY

QB Mason Rudolph

The Bills are happy to take a chance on Rudolph at this point in the first round. He is a solid intermediate and downfield passer, especially the vertical route tree outside the numbers, though he must improve his accuracy in the short game. Rudolph is a difficult evaluation as he was strong in key areas, including posting the top third-down grade in the draft class, but he also ranked 34th in PFF grade in the red zone.

40.  DENVER BRONCOS

QB Josh Allen, Wyoming

Allen’s boom or bust nature fits better in the second round and the Broncos are happy to take a shot at this point in the draft. He has a cannon for an arm and excellent athleticism, which somewhat makes up for his subpar accuracy, but he must improve his willingness to go through progressions and make plays within the structure of the offense. He finished with disappointing 74.1 overall grade last season after a solid 84.7 mark in 2016.

[HessStation]

Well. He's not a head case or a douchebag...that  will be my first glass half full thought if he's the pick 

[ZachEY]

15 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Those other guys' receivers never drop a ball or miss a block.

Target drop passes percentages:

Lamar Jackson - 8.5%
Baker Mayfield - 8.0%
Josh Rosen - 7.5%
Mason Rudolph - 6.6%
Josh Allen - 4.8%
Sam Darnold - 4.3%

 

 

In fact, most drop more...

[JoJoTownsell1]

13 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

I just don't think this is true.  I think he is a product of media hype by guys who pay way too much attention to the combine.  I fully expect him to be there at 3 and I sincerely hope that we don't draft him.

You are aware that he was projected to be a top 2-3 pick after last years draft by most experts. He was projected to be a top 2-3 pick after the season by most experts. He was projected to be a top 2-3 pick after the senior bowl. 

But yeah, it's all about his combine.....

[Adoni Beast]

Josh Allen needs the right system and coaching to develop him correctly...as just about every prospect, especially qb.

Allen’s accuracy is never gonna be Montana’s. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a franchise quarterback/pro bowl player.

Everyone is getting so hung up on his completion %. The question becomes, lets say instead of 2 or 3 run plays a game, Wyoming ran screens, or quick 1 yard slants...and his % was 60-61% would they all still be saying he shouldn’t be taken so high? Those little screens are stat padding #’s. Doesn’t make him more accurate. But the # gets people’s minds fixated.

Did these same people watch the throws he made with pinpoint accuracy? I saw someone with a strong arm do what just about all the great qb’s with rocket arms do, throw some amazing throws in tight windows, that only a handul of people on the planet can make. I also saw someone who head scratching throws and lacked touch on alot of the misses. Favre and Elway had similar issues in college and early in career. That can be refined.

If you like other prospects better than Allen thats fine. Plenty of reasons to like Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield more. Its an opinion. But some people are acting like Allen is undraftable. He’s not. He’s no Hackenberg or Petty. 

 

[Bruce Harper]

21 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

You are aware that he was projected to be a top 2-3 pick after last years draft by most experts. He was projected to be a top 2-3 pick after the season by most experts. He was projected to be a top 2-3 pick after the senior bowl. 

But yeah, it's all about his combine.....

"Most experts"?  We shall find out but I think he is a product of the media.

[JoJoTownsell1]

6 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Josh Allen needs the right system and coaching to develop him correctly...as just about every prospect, especially qb.

Allen’s accuracy is never gonna be Montana’s. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a franchise quarterback/pro bowl player.

Everyone is getting so hung up on his completion %. The question becomes, lets say instead of 2 or 3 run plays a game, Wyoming ran screens, or quick 1 yard slants...and his % was 60-61% would they all still be saying he shouldn’t be taken so high? Those little screens are stat padding #’s. Doesn’t make him more accurate. But the # gets people’s minds fixated.

Did these same people watch the throws he made with pinpoint accuracy? I saw someone with a strong arm do what just about all the great qb’s with rocket arms do, throw some amazing throws in tight windows, that only a handul of people on the planet can make. I also saw someone who head scratching throws and lacked touch on alot of the misses. Favre and Elway had similar issues in college and early in career. That can be refined.

If you like other prospects better than Allen thats fine. Plenty of reasons to like Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield more. Its an opinion. But some people are acting like Allen is undraftable. He’s not. He’s no Hackenberg or Petty. 

 

That's pretty much it. Most Allen supporters are objective enough to realize that he has elite skills and was a few drops/screen passes away from having that coveted 60pct comp pct. 

My favorite QB is still Darnold (it has been since last year) and I am torn between Rosen/Allen for my 2nd spot. With all that said, I would still be happy if we took Mayfield. There is a good chance all 4 of these guys turn out to be franchise QBs. 

[Bruce Harper]

The guy had mediocre numbers for his whole college career.  I wouldn't want to spend the third pick on potential.

[Adoni Beast]

4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

That's pretty much it. Most Allen supporters are objective enough to realize that he has elite skills and was a few drops/screen passes away from having that coveted 60pct comp pct. 

My favorite QB is still Darnold (it has been since last year) and I am torn between Rosen/Allen for my 2nd spot. With all that said, I would still be happy if we took Mayfield. There is a good chance all 4 of these guys turn out to be franchise QBs. 

I’ve been Rosen as my #1 by a wide margin going back to last season.

The big thing is for any of these guys that none of us will know or see pre-draft is during these private workouts, how well are they doing with the classroom stuff? If you’re Josh Allen and have all the physical attributes, but you can’t figure out what the coaches are designing and telling you, but Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield can, well then thats a big problem.

[JiFtheOracle]

52 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Those other guys' receivers never drop a ball or miss a block.

Nobody in the NFL has ever missed a block or dropped a pass. 

[varjet]

Big, strong-armed QB.  Athletic.  Fast.  White. Smart.  Good kid.  Hard working.  Tough.  Played in pro-style offense.  

In the traditional NFL, that player gets drafted very high.  Think Terry Bradshaw.  The accuracy thing is something you typically figure out later.  

At least that was the case with Ehrhardt/Coryell offenses.  Like the one Todd Haley will run in Cleveland....

I think the Jets luck out and he is drafted before they pick.  The Jets unfortunately hold the dubious distinction of being the team that does not know how to use Josh Allen.  

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

 

These are interesting. Josh completed just 9-19 passes, yet I only see 3 tweets showing incompletions which were receiver drops. There were still 7 other incompletions in the game. What I will do is timestamp the incompletions and inaccurate passes that could have possibly gone for more yards if Allen had better ball placement. 

1st quarter

#1. .11 second mark. First pass of the game is a low pass which caused receiver to lose YAC opportunity.

#2 .23 second mark. Drop by receiver, perfect pass by Allen (1 of the 3 tweets)

#3. .36 second mark. Drop by receiver, perfect pass by Allen (2 of the 3 tweets)

2nd quarter

#4. 2:25 mark. Batted ball at the LOS on a screen pass. 

#5. 2:55 mark. Pass dropped by receiver, enough strength to throw the pass by the underneath defender looking for a tip drill (3 of 3 tweets). 

#6. 3:10 mark. Hail Mary attempt, Allen overthrows the ball out of the endzone not giving any receiver an opportunity to actually catch a Hail Mary

3rd Quarter

#7. 3:39 mark. Overthrows running back in the flat right over his head. RB is 7 yards away from him. 

#8. 3:50 Mark. Throws a Pick 6 that's dropped. Staring down his receiver.  

4th quarter

#9. 4:39 mark. Underthrows receiver on a bootleg just 10 yards away from the LOS. 

#10. 5:29. Throws into coverage, ball tipped in the air and defender was a yard away from catching the tip drill. Biggest problem with this pass is that its the 4th quarter, 57 seconds left, it's 2nd and 15 and he has his RB wide open on the play just 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and the closest defender to him is 13 yards away. He ignores him in order to throw into coverage instead. 

 

Before watching the game, the tweets give me the impression that all of the mistakes are solely on these receivers, however, upon watching every throw, it seems like the receivers and QB have their share of issues. The receivers will drop passes that clearly hit them in the hands and Allen continues to show inaccuracy anyway from flat passes to 10 yard bootlegs, throws pick 6's as well as ignores receivers that are wide open in order to pass into tight coverage with other defenders hovering around the area. 

 

 

 

[jetstream23]

This is against Hawaii, right?

Just making sure I'm clear.