Potential draft scenario

[JetFanatic]

So let's say Baker Mayfield is the pick at 3.  Let's also say that at our pick in the 3rd round we see an impact Edge Rusher an impact CB an impact TE and an impact OT fall to us which is very likely.  What position is the pick here??  I think I would go with the edge rusher but adding a potential starter to the Oline is enticing.  Especially if it's a guy like Orlando Brown to pair with his college QB.

[Saul Goodman]

You support the new QB. In all honesty, it wouldn’t be a bad thing to use ALL of our picks on offense.

I like Bowles more than most but he needs to coach up and scheme on defense. 

[kdels62]

Our 3rd round pick has to be on the o-line or a high potential linebacker. Those are the easiest places for a young guy to come in an start.

[Obrien2Toon]

If Brown is there you take him

One of the guys on nfl network said one of the old time scouts said that his father had almost the same exact workout numbers for them back then

 

[JetFanatic]

2 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

If Brown is there you take him

One of the guys on nfl network said one of the old time scouts said that his father had almost the same exact workout numbers for them back then

 

With Brown at the combine though it's as if he didn't even want to be there.  And wasn't he out of shape.  He just scares me a little.

[Untouchable]

I take an interior OL who can play both guard and center and is a good zone fit.

Frank Ragnow, Mason Cole, etc.

Gives you some nice insurance at both center and LG this year as well as a potential future starter at either position.

[Beerfish]

17 minutes ago, JetFanatic said:

So let's say Baker Mayfield is the pick at 3.  Let's also say that at our pick in the 3rd round we see an impact Edge Rusher an impact CB an impact TE and an impact OT fall to us which is very likely.  What position is the pick here??  I think I would go with the edge rusher but adding a potential starter to the Oline is enticing.  Especially if it's a guy like Orlando Brown to pair with his college QB.

No 'impact' player is going to fall to use in the 3rd round.

If we pick Mayfiled I'll be just sick.  I know others disagree.

[jetstream23]

11 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

You support the new QB. In all honesty, it wouldn’t be a bad thing to use ALL of our picks on offense.

I like Bowles more than most but he needs to coach up and scheme on defense. 

Agreed.  Bowles is a defensive coach.  If anything, the Jets should be able to get away with slightly weaker talent on the defensive side of the ball than on offense since a coach like Bowles should be able to get more out of them.  Instead, we've continued to give Bowles lots of talent and toys on defense and, in my opinion, the defense has continued to be underwhelming.  We now have, on paper, the best secondary we've had since Revis led the unit with Cromartie and some Safeties that were good enough.  The Jets have also thrown LOTS of draft picks and FA money at the LB corp....drafting Mauldin, Jenkins, Darron Lee, etc., signing Demario Davis and now "upgrading" him with Wiliamson.  The defensive line won't be the strength on D anymore but there's still capable talent and a #6 overall pick in Leo Williams.  I'm done with making significant investments on D....YES, I know we could really use an Edge guy but when you look at the entire team we could also use a QB, a WR, a true franchise LT, a better than average RB, a TE who at least has a pulse, etc.  So let Todd figure out how to get a defense comprised of MANY 1st and 2nd round picks to perform without a stud Edge guy and let's invest in getter some better than average starters on offense!

[RVAJet815]

With all the TE flyers we're taking, I doubt that's the pick (and there aren't any real impact TE in this draft anyway). For Rd 3, this comes down to is Rashaad Penny available? If he is, that's who I want. OL/Edge would be my preference if he's not.

[jetstream23]

Just now, Beerfish said:

No 'impact' player is going to fall to use in the 3rd round.

If we pick Mayfiled I'll be just sick.  I know others disagree.

Probably true, although we pick pretty high in Round 3.  I think it's fair to say that a player who many consider a mid-2nd round talent could slip into Round 3 for one reason or another.  I definitely want offense.....TE, OT, OG, etc.  Have to get an offensive player to support the rebuild around a new QB.

[nycdan]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No 'impact' player is going to fall to use in the 3rd round.

If we pick Mayfiled I'll be just sick.  I know others disagree.

Could Arden Key slip that far?  He has some flags and is one of those guys who could go almost anywhere from late-1 to mid-3.  

Still, I'd prefer Ragnow or some other help on offense.

[UntouchableCrew]

If you think there are "impact" players still there in the 3rd round you take whoever has the highest upside. Edge rusher is probably the only defensive position that could be justified. O-line or offensive play-maker makes the most sense.

[JetFanatic]

6 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

I take an interior OL who can play both guard and center and is a good zone fit.

Frank Ragnow, Mason Cole, etc.

Gives you some nice insurance at both center and LG this year as well as a potential future starter at either position.

I can see Mason Cole being there and I wouldn't be upset with the pick at all.  That would allow Spencer Long to maybe move to guard.  It's also not out of the realm of possibility that Frank Ragnow finds himself drafted in the 3rd round.  Would absolutely love him there.  Someone good is going to be there

[Villain The Foe]

19 minutes ago, JetFanatic said:

So let's say Baker Mayfield is the pick at 3.  Let's also say that at our pick in the 3rd round we see an impact Edge Rusher an impact CB an impact TE and an impact OT fall to us which is very likely.  What position is the pick here??  I think I would go with the edge rusher but adding a potential starter to the Oline is enticing.  Especially if it's a guy like Orlando Brown to pair with his college QB.

If by saying "impact" you mean a guy who will definitely become a quality player I'd say you get the Pass rusher. The reasoning is simple. One of the hardest positions to fill outside of high draft picks is a pass rusher. Teams have found TE and QB's and especially RB's in various rounds, it's rare to find a quality pass rusher outside of the 1st round in comparison to other positions. I wouldnt go CB because for the most part we're okay there, but we have no pass rush whatsoever at this point. I think TE Tomlinson did okay last year and I would still like to see what Jordan Leggett has. 

If it's not a "guarantee" that the player would be an impact but I simply had to make the decision im going TE because the likelihood that a 3rd round pass rusher is going to pan out is almost zero, but there are underrated TE's that can be found in the mid round and we do need a player at that position that can compliment...especially since that is a position that Baker utilizes. 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

Tough call really.  For the most part, this draft sucks.  There is really zero depth out of the 1st round.  Which makes me wonder, did Mac see that and that's why he gave up 2 2nd rounders for potentially the 3rd best QB?  IDK - might be giving him too much credit.

The likelihood of hitting on a pass rusher in the 3rd is low.  In recent years, the best value in the 3rd round has been RB's and WR's but this draft sucks for WR's (unless maybe you can snag Callaway here) and the RB's I like I'm not sure will be around in the 3rd but maybe a Penny, Michel, Chubb falls to the 3rd? I'd consider that even with all the RB's in camp.  

Otherwise, they need OL and DL help. 

 

 

[JetFanatic]

10 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No 'impact' player is going to fall to use in the 3rd round.

If we pick Mayfiled I'll be just sick.  I know others disagree.

Kamara and Elflein were drafted in the 3rd round last year.  I would be over the moon with similar type talents in the 3rd round.  Impact players.

[Lupz27]

31 minutes ago, JetFanatic said:

So let's say Baker Mayfield is the pick at 3.  Let's also say that at our pick in the 3rd round we see an impact Edge Rusher an impact CB an impact TE and an impact OT fall to us which is very likely.  What position is the pick here??  I think I would go with the edge rusher but adding a potential starter to the Oline is enticing.  Especially if it's a guy like Orlando Brown to pair with his college QB.

Macc will trade back 6 times, and turn the 3rd rounder into 4 6th round picks thinking he is a genius only to watch all 4 6th round picks to be gone after the 2019 training camp while 3 RB’s, 2 TE’s, and a handful of OL are all starting in the league year 1, and beyond from the 3rd round all huge positions of need IMO, yup so Macc.

[varjet]

4 minutes ago, JetFanatic said:

Kamara and Elflein were drafted in the 3rd round last year.  I would be over the moon with similar type talents in the 3rd round.  Impact players.

As opposed to last year, when the other QBs drifted to the later rounds, I think that there will be a run on QBs (and RBs) before the Jets pick in the third round.  That should leave a player that could have been a 2nd round pick there.  

[Dcat]

17 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Could Arden Key slip that far?  He has some flags and is one of those guys who could go almost anywhere from late-1 to mid-3.  

Still, I'd prefer Ragnow or some other help on offense.

Key won't be there and Lorenzo Carter won't be there.  But if somehow one of them is, then that's the pick.  Otherwise I'd be looking at OL.    Orlando Brown, notwithstanding his rancid Combine performance, will be gone by mid 2nd round.   

[Augustiniak]

8 minutes ago, JiF said:

Tough call really.  For the most part, this draft sucks.  There is really zero depth out of the 1st round.  Which makes me wonder, did Mac see that and that's why he gave up 2 2nd rounders for potentially the 3rd best QB?  IDK - might be giving him too much credit.

The likelihood of hitting on a pass rusher in the 3rd is low.  In recent years, the best value in the 3rd round has been RB's and WR's but this draft sucks for WR's (unless maybe you can snag Callaway here) and the RB's I like I'm not sure will be around in the 3rd but maybe a Penny, Michel, Chubb falls to the 3rd? I'd consider that even with all the RB's in camp.  

Otherwise, they need OL and DL help. 

 

 

there's always depth but not in all positions.  there is depth at rb and te but since the jets signed a few of each says they may not be drafting those positions, at least not until day 3.  OL and OLB seem like the two likely targets unless they feel a wr is there who can really fit into their scheme.

[varjet]

8 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Macc will trade back 6 times, and turn the 3rd rounder into 4 6th round picks thinking he is a genius only to watch all 4 6th round picks to be gone after the 2019 training camp while 3 RB’s, 2 TE’s, and a handful of OL are all starting in the league year 1, and beyond from the 3rd round all huge positions of need IMO, yup so Macc.

Although you were being facetious, this is kind of what Mac did last year.  

[Lupz27]

4 minutes ago, JetFanatic said:

Kamara and Elflein were drafted in the 3rd round last year.  I would be over the moon with similar type talents in the 3rd round.  Impact players.

Imagine a Jets draft last year that went Mahomes/Watson at 6, Kamara, Eiflein, Eddie Jackson, and Chad Hansen with our 1st-4th round picks, and now the Jets would be sitting with a starting QB, stud RB, a good C, a good punt returner, and good FS in Jackson, and still get their WR in Hansen who is getting rave reviews from coaches inside the Jets organization, probably would have landed 2 more big pieces in FA instead of the 2 RB’s, and C they signed,’and would still have a 1st rounder to grab that possible stud edge rusher, and 2 2nd round picks to grab a TE, and Safety, or Oline, or whatever who cares roster is spread full of depth everywhere in this situation.

******* Macc, and Bowles are really no better then Idzik was, 22 picks 5 starters all on defense all at non premium positions (3-4 DE is not a premium position), ZERO starters on the offensive side of the ball, ZERO.

[Lupz27]

7 minutes ago, varjet said:

Although you were being facetious, this is kind of what Mac did last year.  

I was not really being facetious, it’s exactly what he did last year, and really wouldn’t be shocked to see him do it again.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

34 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No 'impact' player is going to fall to use in the 3rd round.

If we pick Mayfiled I'll be just sick.  I know others disagree.

Mayfield or any other top QB prospect doesn't influence the question of what to do in the 3rd Round. I strongly doubt, as you say, that any impact edge rusher will ever make it that far. I'd go with OL, RB, or TE.

[Lupz27]

What you really need to do is identify a handful of super talented guys that may fall to mid/late 2nd round, and move up again, if you land 2 starters in any draft class it’s really considered a success, and if you land a starting QB in any draft class it’s also considered a success so if it were me I’d try to land a 2nd impact player that slips down the board in the 2nd round like Arden Key, Chubb, Michel, Ronald Jones, the Auburn RB, one of the top TE’s, or the Edge rusher from Kansas to give a few examples of possible targets to trade up for should they fall far enough into the 2nd to make it not to expensive to move up from early 3rd to mid to late 2nd round like they should have last year for Kamara.

[Greenseed4]

Pass Rusher or OL. 

[slimjasi]

Offensive lineman, tight end, or receiver. 

It would be awesome if we still had one second round pick. 

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

No 'impact' player is going to fall to use in the 3rd round.

If we pick Mayfiled I'll be just sick.  I know others disagree.

Kareem Hunt and Pat Elflein (OSU- OL) say hello!!

[FidelioJet]

with the 72nd pick - there is likely to be a prospect that they have ranked much higher than 72 on their board.  Someone they really like will be there when they pick.

[JiFtheOracle]

7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

because the likelihood that a 3rd round pass rusher is going to pan out is almost zero,

 

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

The likelihood of hitting on a pass rusher in the 3rd is low

Look at us agreeing again, Villain!

However, zero is aggressive.  The Jags hit on Ngakoue in the 3rd and Minn hit on Hunter in the 3rd, both 20+ sacks in 2 years. Crawford I think was a 3rd round pick too.  So you can hit, but you got to get really lucky! 

[Beerfish]

6 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Kareem Hunt and Pat Elflein (OSU- OL) say hello!!

And the jets have drafted who in the 3rd round lately? 

This regime seems to hate drafting running backs and oline,  pity that

[C Mart]

I see Mcc trading down 10-12 slots in the 3rd and picking up an additional 4th. 

I'd then go the next 3 picks (in no particular order: LOT, pass rusher, G/C.  

 

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

Our 3rd round pick has to be on the o-line or a high potential linebacker. Those are the easiest places for a young guy to come in an start.

O line. That's the best way to help out a QB. I seriously doubt Orlando Brown will be there but if he is, grab him.

[Greenseed4]

DE, Rasheem Green in the third would be a good get. 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

22 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Kareem Hunt and Pat Elflein (OSU- OL) say hello!!

That is certainly possible. RB is deep in this draft and there will be good quality OL at that area. TE or WR will be a crap shoot. Not as deep in those positions.