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Brutally honest Johnny Manziel says if Browns had done homework, they would have known he was lazy

 

Johnny Manziel’s attempt at a second chance in the NFL is continuing; after throwing at the Pro Day of his college alma mater, Texas A&M, last week, Manziel’s media tour continued on Wednesday with an appearance on “The Dan Patrick Show.”

And while one part of a long answer is getting a lot of attention – he told Patrick that if the Cleveland Browns had done their homework, they would have known he was lazy at the time – the entirety of what Manziel said tells a bit of a different story.

There are seemingly some elements in this of Manziel passing the buck, but he’s also being brutally honest about what happened to him as a rookie in 2014.

Patrick asked Manziel if he’d want a mulligan to use for his rookie year, how would he use it, and Manziel launched into his response.

 

 

“If you would give me the mulligan, the mulligan would have had to come right after I got drafted,” he said. “I see successful guys in the NFL, and what they do in the offseason, and the time that they put in, that makes them good players. Yes, they’re athletically gifted, but guys are good in the NFL because they know film, they study hard, and they work even harder in the offseason. I didn’t know that.

 

“And I feel like … if Cleveland did any of their homework, they would have known that I was a guy that didn’t come in every day and watch film, I was a guy that didn’t really know the Xs and Os of football. I played in a spread offense. We looked at bubbles, we looked at flats, we had progression reads across the field; it wasn’t like it was a super-intricate pro system. So when I get to Cleveland, there’s a quarterback in the room with me that’s not helping me [presumably Brian Hoyer, who started 13 games that season]. And it’s not really his job to, but nobody was there really helping me go over the Xs and Os and it was hard. I struggled.

 

“And then getting on the practice field, I lost a lot of confidence after my first couple days there. This was the first time in my life, at least (since) my freshman year of high school, that I wasn’t playing really well, that I didn’t come out the first day and throw the ball around and make a lot of completions and score touchdowns and everything – I struggled.

 

“And from there, that’s when the depression started to come, that’s when some things mental health-wise started to really change what was going on in my life, but I would go back to after the draft and getting with someone, or putting in extra time, or whatever it was, to make sure that I really, genuinely understood what was going on. There was a lot of winging it and not a lot of knowing exactly what I was doing because it was a hard transition for me. I didn’t know everything.

 

“The next year, when I got with Josh McCown, that guy was like, ‘listen: if you want to, you can come with me everyday. You can get here when I get here, you can leave when I leave, if you want to be good, just follow what I’m doing. I’ve been doing this for a long time, and there’s a reason that I’m still in the league this long down the road.’ Me and him got along great.”

 

Patrick interjected, “He’s a good dude. He really is,” speaking of McCown.

 

“He’s awesome,” Manziel said enthusiastically. “He gave me a blueprint, and that’s something that I still have to this day: he gave me a nice blueprint of what it takes to be a solid pro, and I’m very thankful to Josh and all that he did for me in Cleveland.”

Manziel also told Patrick there’s “very much” still a chance that he will end up playing in the Canadian Football League.

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Fans bust on the WL record and the 10 million price tag but McCown has been in the league a long time. Has learned 16 different systems? That is valuable experience to pass along. No reason to think his signing was a bad thing in any way. His contract did not prevent us from signing another free agent and it is off the books next season. 

And if your gripe is that he starts games. Well your issue should be the other QB who couldn't surplant him. 

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McCown is a credit to the uniform, and he’s really the type of player that dickhead fans like myself shouldn’t pick on just because the Jets are dumb. 

 

As for what Manziel said, he’s getting killed for it, but it was honest and it speaks to why a lot of these QBs bust. It’s the first time they’ve ever been in a situation where they struggle and they’re surrounded by an entire ecosystem that’s going to eat them alive for it, including the coach, including the fans and media, including the veterans on the roster, everybody. If you draft the quarterback, surround him with people that can insulate him from those opposing forces. Look at what Philly did: they surround Wentz with two career backups in Peterson and Reich, and added a great teacher in DeFillippo. This should be the worry with Rosen or Mayfield here: there’s really no one in the coaching staff that’s equipped to help him, and his best chance of success will be McCown, who’s going to be named the starter. 

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9 minutes ago, Larz said:

This is why a mentor QB is actually a thing 

This still makes no sense to me.  We have to use up a roster spot for a mentor QB??  Why not just hire him as a coach?

EDIT: McCown is a very likable guy btw and I'd love for him to get into coaching for the Jets (in whatever role he feels comfortable in).  And I still think he's an outstanding backup QB.  But the "mentor QB" thing is a bigger convo than just McCown (who does deserve to still be playing).

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4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

This still makes no sense to me.  We have to use up a roster spot for a mentor QB??  Why not just hire him as a coach?

EDIT: McCown is a very likable guy btw and I'd love for him to get into coaching for the Jets (in whatever role he feels comfortable in).  And I still think he's an outstanding backup QB.  But the "mentor QB" thing is a bigger convo than just McCown (who does deserve to still be playing).

You know what a mentor QB does? He takes the kid out and shows him where to buy a suit. He shows the kid how to glad-hand investment bankers at corporate functions. He teaches the kid to avoid skeezers and how to navigate the roughnecks in the locker room. He shows the kid how to avoid getting drawn into a blood feud with a tabloid reporter. sh*t like that. Does it make the kid a better player? Maybe not. But it keeps the kid from tripping over his own dick off the field right away.

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11 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

This still makes no sense to me.  We have to use up a roster spot for a mentor QB??  Why not just hire him as a coach?

EDIT: McCown is a very likable guy btw and I'd love for him to get into coaching for the Jets (in whatever role he feels comfortable in).  And I still think he's an outstanding backup QB.  But the "mentor QB" thing is a bigger convo than just McCown (who does deserve to still be playing).

Read it again 

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3 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

Manziel's a joke. Any team that invests in him going forward will get just what they deserve. Dumb indeed.

I'd rather take a chance with Manziel coupled again with McCown than with Bridgewater...cuz Bridgewater's knee is more a question than if Manziel can turn his life around.  JMO.

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You know what a mentor QB does? He takes the kid out and shows him where to buy a suit. He shows the kid how to glad-hand investment bankers at corporate functions. He teaches the kid to avoid skeezers and how to navigate the roughnecks in the locker room. He shows the kid how to avoid getting drawn into a blood feud with a tabloid reporter. sh*t like that. Does it make the kid a better player? Maybe not. But it keeps the kid from tripping over his own dick off the field right away.

All things that a coach can do.  If McCown retired tomorrow he could do everything that he did for Manziel, just without wearing a uniform.

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1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

All things that a coach can do.  If McCown retired tomorrow he could do everything that he did for Manziel, just without wearing a uniform.

Coaches work 100 hour weeks and sleep on couches in their offices, but sure, they’ll have time to take Baker Mayfield to buy an adult wardrobe.

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3 minutes ago, Larz said:

Read it again 

“The next year, when I got with Josh McCown, that guy was like, ‘listen: if you want to, you can come with me everyday. You can get here when I get here, you can leave when I leave, if you want to be good, just follow what I’m doing. I’ve been doing this for a long time, and there’s a reason that I’m still in the league this long down the road.’ Me and him got along great.”

If McCown were a special assistant in charge of helping QBs, he couldn't do all of these exact things?  

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21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

McCown is a credit to the uniform, and he’s really the type of player that dickhead fans like myself shouldn’t pick on just because the Jets are dumb. 

 

As for what Manziel said, he’s getting killed for it, but it was honest and it speaks to why a lot of these QBs bust. It’s the first time they’ve ever been in a situation where they struggle and they’re surrounded by an entire ecosystem that’s going to eat them alive for it, including the coach, including the fans and media, including the veterans on the roster, everybody. If you draft the quarterback, surround him with people that can insulate him from those opposing forces. Look at what Philly did: they surround Wentz with two career backups in Peterson and Reich, and added a great teacher in DeFillippo. This should be the worry with Rosen or Mayfield here: there’s really no one in the coaching staff that’s equipped to help him, and his best chance of success will be McCown, who’s going to be named the starter. 

I don’t know why he’s getting killed. He’s got a totally valid grievance. They drafted him. Didn’t they have some kind of plan? Surely they can’t have expected him to have a plan. He’s Johnny ******* Football for ****’s sake. Does he seem like a guy who has a plan?

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Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

“The next year, when I got with Josh McCown, that guy was like, ‘listen: if you want to, you can come with me everyday. You can get here when I get here, you can leave when I leave, if you want to be good, just follow what I’m doing. I’ve been doing this for a long time, and there’s a reason that I’m still in the league this long down the road.’ Me and him got along great.”

If McCown were a special assistant in charge of helping QBs, he couldn't do all of these exact things?  

Read it again 

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Why Manziel didn't figure out that he needed to work hard once he got to Cleveland is more to do with his immaturity. What he says about the Browns not doing their homework sounds like he is repeating what a coach or agent told him. While it's true that it does not make him look good, I appreciate the core truth.

Some ****ups deserve more chances if they show legitimate signs of making progress.

Most don't learn the lesson but some eventually do. Redemption movies resonate for a reason.

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2 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I don’t know why he’s getting killed. He’s got a totally valid grievance. They drafted him. Didn’t they have some kind of plan? Surely they can’t have expected him to have a plan. He’s Johnny ******* Football for ****’s sake. Does he seem like a guy who has a plan?

Agreed. You see this time and again with all of these QBs who bust—they get thrown out there like feral cats playing for bad HCs that should really just be LB coaches and their minds turn to spaghetti even before the crowd turns on him, and then everyone is surprised. Like, there are templates to coaching these kids successfully. Why not just do those things instead?

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19 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

This still makes no sense to me.  We have to use up a roster spot for a mentor QB??  Why not just hire him as a coach?

EDIT: McCown is a very likable guy btw and I'd love for him to get into coaching for the Jets (in whatever role he feels comfortable in).  And I still think he's an outstanding backup QB.  But the "mentor QB" thing is a bigger convo than just McCown (who does deserve to still be playing).

Because he still happens to be a decent NFL QB. Did we overpay for him? Sure. Does it matter? No. We have a ton of cap space and signing Mccown didn't cost us another player. To have a young QB watch Mccown prepare for a game instead of talking about it is a huge difference. 

Complaining about signing mccown makes no sense.  If the QB we draft looks great in camp, I am sure he will start early on. Even the "great" Deshawn Watson wasn't able to beat out Tom Savage.  

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23 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

McCown is a credit to the uniform, and he’s really the type of player that dickhead fans like myself shouldn’t pick on just because the Jets are dumb. 

 

 

Maybe you would have benefited from a “posting mentor”......like,maybe @Charlie Brown? ?

(I’m just kidding with you)

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Just now, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Because he still happens to be a decent NFL QB. Did we overpay for him? Sure. Does it matter? No. We have a ton of cap space and signing Mccown didn't cost us another player. To have a young QB watch Mccown prepare for a game instead of talking about it is a huge difference. 

Complaining about signing mccown makes no sense.  If the QB we draft looks great in camp, I am sure he will start early on. Even the "great" Deshawn Watson wasn't able to beat out Tom Savage.  

As I wrote above, McCown is an outstanding backup QB and still does deserve to be playing.  But McCown isn't the only "QB mentor" in league history.  Mark Brunell, for example, probably didn't deserve to still be playing but was paid as a Sanchez QB mentor.  Why couldn't he have been hired as a coach.

 

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Are we praising/justifying McCown for "mentoring" a guy who was a complete bust at the NFL level, as if McCown did something of note here?

Sounds like Brian Hoyer was the smart one, not McCown.

Hey, maybe we should have given McCown 15 million, for all that mentoring he can do!

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26 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You know what a mentor QB does? He takes the kid out and shows him where to buy a suit. He shows the kid how to glad-hand investment bankers at corporate functions. He teaches the kid to avoid skeezers and how to navigate the roughnecks in the locker room. He shows the kid how to avoid getting drawn into a blood feud with a tabloid reporter. sh*t like that. Does it make the kid a better player? Maybe not. But it keeps the kid from tripping over his own dick off the field right away.

They watch film and spend a lot of time together.  The QB coach runs the meetings but doesn't babysit them. 

It's like the teacher and the smart kid who helps you at lunch or at home 

If you have both its better. The smart kid can relate to you and you can ask embarrassing questions you might not want to ask the teacher. 

This is easy guys 

McCown will have as much of an impact on the rookie as the coaches  if not more 

He is the perfect guy to have. 

He will step aside for the kid with no drama, no leaks to Mehta 

Whining about his roster spot is really short sighted 

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I don't know. It seems like he is blaming Cleveland when he should have been putting the work in. When you don't know what you're doing a motivated person watches and learns. Even if no one is taking you by the hand and showing you what to do you watch the guys who have been there and see how they go about the game. Its the difference between how a man goes about things and how a boy does. You sign a contract for a ton of money you have the responsibility to perform. You don't make excuses.

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