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If the Giants select a quarterback second overall, then all the more reason that this will hold true. But even if it doesn't, the metrics – completion percentage aside – are very high and this kid has been impressing NFL teams the more time he spends around them and the Jets are among a handful of teams who were already super impressed by what Allen did in 2016. He won't have to wait long when Day 1 of the draft begins.

I think if available they go Josh Allen. If Josh Allen goes top 2 the pick is Baker Mayfield

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16 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-draft-browns-take-sam-darnold-at-no-1-josh-allen-to-jets-and-other-predictions/

I think if available they go Josh Allen. If Josh Allen goes top 2 the pick is Baker Mayfield

If Allen is already gone I'd say the odds are more likely that the pick is Rosen, assuming of course the very likely circumstance that Darnold was the other pick.

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1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

If Allen is already gone I'd say the odds are more likely that the pick is Rosen, assuming of course the very likely circumstance that Darnold was the other pick.

Jets like Mayfield's mobility,intangibles and durability better than Rosen.

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Jets like Mayfield's mobility,intangibles and durability better than Rosen.

I am certainly curious to see, although my only doubt is that Macc has shown a very clear penchant for deferring to the overall public opinion for his top picks.  I'm not sure if he'd be willing to take the gamble of passing on the guy generally ranked as #2 of the bunch over the one typically debated as #3/4, especially considering it would likely come with great questions about the choice to trade up for him.

I have little doubt the media would immediately play up the angle that the Jets ended up missing out on the one they were actually targeting if they take Mayfield, regardless of whether that was true (of course the Jets would say the complete opposite, regardless of its truth as well).  If the team is convinced enough to do that, I wouldn't have a major issue with it, but it doesn't seem to go along with most of their past tendencies.

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Somebody is trading for Baker Mayfield

He may be the best quarterback in this class and I don't believe he is going first overall. And I don't see him being a fit with the Giants even if they do go QB with the second pick and it might be too big of a gamble for the Jets, too, who as I noted I think may lean Allen. But there is too much here to like – off-field issues and crotch-grabbing aside – and with the Patriots and Bills and Cardinals among those focused on moving up for a QB, Mayfield could be the target. Perhaps the Broncos just keep their pick and take him, but I have a hunch he becomes the Patrick Mahomes of this draft, and ends up with his team via trade.

He thinks that Mayfield is to big a gamble for the Jets, but has them taking Allen, who is the biggest boom or bust QB in this draft?  Doesn't make much sense to me.  

Even if Allen turns out to be a good QB, it will take a while for him to develop.  Macc can't put Hack's lil brother on the bench for two years while Bowles fixes his accuracy.  Even if Allen develops into a good QB, Macc wouldn't be here to see it.

IMO Jets take Mayfield/Rosen.

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3 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I am certainly curious to see, although my only doubt is that Macc has shown a very clear penchant for deferring to the overall public opinion for his top picks.  I'm not sure if he'd be willing to take the gamble of passing on the guy generally ranked as #2 of the bunch over the one typically debated as #3/4, especially considering it would likely come with great questions about the choice to trade up for him.

I have little doubt the media would immediately play up the angle that the Jets ended up missing out on the one they were actually targeting if they take Mayfield, regardless of whether that was true (of course the Jets would say the complete opposite, regardless of its truth as well).  If the team is convinced enough to do that, I wouldn't have a major issue with it, but it doesn't seem to go along with most of their past tendencies.

it's been reported since the draft process began that the two qbs the jets have shown the most interest in are rosen and mayfield, who also have been considered the best fits with bates' offense.  i believe where there's smoke there's fire, and that the jets moved up to get rosen or mayfield.  they're not working out darnold and allen's visit to florham park was also cancelled.  of course smokescreens could be in play here, but please, this is the jets.

my hunch is, the jets covet rosen and really like mayfield.  but the jets probably fear the giants will take rosen and that's why you're hearing all the mayfield rumors, so the giants don't get any additional incentive to steal the jets' preferred qb.  

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36 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I am going to sacrifice a goat in a pentagram so that one of those 1st two teams does not take Darnold or Rosen

If you go to Morningside Park after 11pm I'm sure you'll encounter some sacrificial rite being performed. 

They've been finding dead roosters and goat heads in there for years the mornings after. 

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22 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Allen is by far the Maccagnaniest pick out there, so it makes sense.

The thing is does Mac still hold to those values?  As in he took Tom Savage and Hack, big, big armed guys.  Does he still feel that way or does their failure make him go the opposite way and take Mayfiled?

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42 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I am going to sacrifice a goat in a pentagram so that one of those 1st two teams does not take Darnold or Rosen

I think you could get quite that turn out for that event, we just need an address.

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Who knows? Nobody knows but Macc and the guys in the war room. But even the Jets don't really know b/c they have no idea how the top 2 picks will go. I think its LIKELY it will either be Allen, Mayfield or Rosen (b/c Darnold will go #1). This is why the Jets are happy to be picking 3rd. It's fine to discuss but NOBODY KNOWS. 

I for one am praying they take Rosen. He is the best thrower and most NFL ready QB in the draft. He really reminds me a lot of J.Goff.  

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21 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Skipping out of work at noon today to get "the metrics – completion percentage aside – are very high" tattooed across my chest

Better get it in small font , otherwise you'd need one big chest to fit that . ;)

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Take this to the bank ( call me crazy all you want but book it)  Josh Allen is going to the Browns #1 overall  and if by chance I am wrong, but there is something that tells me he is their target, Giants will trade out of 2 with Buffalo so they can grab Allen...   He wont be on the board at 3...  NEXT!!

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1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

it's been reported since the draft process began that the two qbs the jets have shown the most interest in are rosen and mayfield, who also have been considered the best fits with bates' offense.  i believe where there's smoke there's fire, and that the jets moved up to get rosen or mayfield.  they're not working out darnold and allen's visit to florham park was also cancelled.  of course smokescreens could be in play here, but please, this is the jets.

my hunch is, the jets covet rosen and really like mayfield.  but the jets probably fear the giants will take rosen and that's why you're hearing all the mayfield rumors, so the giants don't get any additional incentive to steal the jets' preferred qb.  

The Jets front office seem reactionary, they really care what people think... which I think is rather foolish but some may not depending on their life philosophy.

Andy Benoit is one of the many podcasts I listened to in the last two months (I think it was with the PFF stat geeks) mentioned how a certain Jets front office personnel, took him aside at Josh Allen's pro day in Laramie and said (I'm  paraphrasing here) "You're totally wrong about what you wrote about us". He was referring to Benoit saying that the Jets saying that they really felt strongly about the top three draft qbs all along, was pretty stupid considering there were so involved in the race for Kirk Cousins. Benoit and the PFF ridiculed the aurgument from the unnamed Jets staffer on their podcast. Depending how many people the Jets sent to Laramie for the pro day, one can only guess who that person is.

Tin Foil Hat Theory Time: Why I bring this up is that reading these Mayfield rumours may be to protect themselves in the media and with the fans in case they do not get the qb they actually want, one or two of the Rosen/Allen/Darnold trio.  Weeks before the 2016 draft the "Jets really like Hackenberg" rumours were rife. However much later after Wentz was making his mark in the league, word comes out that the Jets tried to trade up for Wentz but did not offer enough. So they took their consolation prize in the second round and officially they got the qb they wanted all along, Hackenberg. That is, until the narrative changed; Wentz became a star and Hackenberg posted his deer trophy online. Then word leaked out that the smart Jets had in fact, made a run at Wentz.

If they don't get the qb they really want and Mayfield is their second choice, the leaked Mayfield rumours will back up their claim that it was Mayfield all along that they wanted. When they pick, if the qb they want is still there along with Mayfield... they can simply pick qb A and say the Mayfield chatter was a smokescreen.

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25 minutes ago, lounap23 said:

Take this to the bank ( call me crazy all you want but book it)  Josh Allen is going to the Browns #1 overall  and if by chance I am wrong, but there is something that tells me he is their target, Giants will trade out of 2 with Buffalo so they can grab Allen...   He wont be on the board at 3...  NEXT!!

You do realize Giants will not trade all the way down to 12 no matter what the Bills offer. Bills can't even trade up to 6 as the Colts are on record saying they didn't want to lose out on a premium player. Giants will only trade down a few spots where they can still get Chub, Barkley or Nelson. Broncos only possible scenario.

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7 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

The Jets front office seem reactionary, they really care what people think... which I think is rather foolish but some may not depending on their life philosophy.

Andy Benoit is one of the many podcasts I listened to in the last two months (I think it was with the PFF stat geeks) mentioned how a certain Jets front office personnel, took him aside at Josh Allen's pro day in Laramie and said (I'm  paraphrasing here) "You're totally wrong about what you wrote about us". He was referring to Benoit saying that the Jets saying that they really felt strongly about the top three draft qbs all along, was pretty stupid considering there were so involved in the race for Kirk Cousins. Benoit and the BFF ridiculed the aurgument from the unnamed Jets staffer on their podcast. Depending how many people the Jets sent to Laramie for the pro day, one can only guess who that person is.

Tin Foil Hat Theory Time: Why I bring this up is that reading these Mayfield rumours may be to protect themselves in the media and with the fans in case they do not get the qb they actually want, one or two of the Rosen/Allen/Darnold trio.  Weeks before the 2016 draft the "Jets really like Hackenberg" rumours were rife. However much later after Wentz was making his mark in the league, word comes out that the Jets tried to trade up for Wentz but did not offer enough. So they took their consolation prize in the second round and officially they got the qb they wnated all along, Hackenberg. That is, until the narrative changed; Wentz became a star and Hackenberg posted his deer trophy online. Then word leaked out that the smart Jets had in fact, made a run at Wentz.

If they don't get the qb they really want and Mayfield is their second choice, the leaked Mayfield rumours back up their claim that it was Mayfield all along that they wanted. When they pick, if the qb they want is still there along with Mayfield... they can simply pick qb A and say the Mayfield chatter was a smokescreen.

any back filling narrative will be irrelevant if the qb they pick is not good, b/c they will all be fired.  

they made the trade to 3 assuming darnold will be gone.  that means they have to have 2 other guys they really like, and they're rumored to love rosen and mayfield.  throw in that mccagnan's first round picks have all produced in college and start right away and that seems to eliminate allen.

 

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1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said:

If Allen is already gone I'd say the odds are more likely that the pick is Rosen, assuming of course the very likely circumstance that Darnold was the other pick.

Yup, I think the Jets will have twos Josh's in their QB room next year - Josh McCown and Josh TBD

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Jets are taking mayfield.  If he is gone, it wil be rosen.

Josh allen is not even on our board.

If I had to bet the mortgage payment on one player not being on the Jets board it would be Josh Rosen 

he won the Westwood most punchable face championship 3 years in a row, and now he's going National 

"HEY WOODY I LIKE YOUR MAYBACH, ITS SO ICY BRO"

"Please stop making eye contact with me." 

 

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my guess at the Jets top 3 in order: Allen, Darnold, Mayfield 

and on the day of the event it could go that way. Josh Allen is a factor to go 1 of course he's in play at 3. 

Josh Rosen is not a factor at 1, ever since that time he took his pants down and took a dump on a map of the state of Ohio and the dookie landed right on Cleveland. It's was on Snapchat 

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14 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

any back filling narrative will be irrelevant if the qb they pick is not good, b/c they will all be fired.  

they made the trade to 3 assuming darnold will be gone.  that means they have to have 2 other guys they really like, and they're rumored to love rosen and mayfield.  throw in that mccagnan's first round picks have all produced in college and start right away and that seems to eliminate allen.

 

Do you really believe any of these QB's will start right away in the NFL.  I don't and I can bet Todd will run McCown into the ground before he'd even consider starting our draft pick.

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Just now, 56mehl56 said:

Do you really believe any of these QB's will start right away in the NFL.  I don't and I can bet Todd will run McCown into the ground before he'd even consider starting our draft pick.

They did pay McCown 10 million dollars fully vested. Of course he's going to play. He's not going to be the highest paid coach.  the silver lining for any fans of the rookie is that history proves McCown is probably getting hurt. Bridge is already hurt. 

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9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Josh Rosen is not a factor at 1, ever since that time he took his pants down and took a dump on a map of the state of Ohio and the dookie landed right on Cleveland. It's was on Snapchat 

You are factorially wrong about this. Cleveland chooses between Darnold and Rosen at 1. The overwhelming probability is that Darnold is the pick but Rosen is hardly a nonfactor.

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