If the Giants offer the #2 to the Jets would you take it for....

[jetstream23]

Assumption:  Cleveland selects Sam Darnold at #1 and the Giants don't want any of the QBs left with their pick at #2.

What if the Giants call the Jets and say, "We're getting some calls for the #2 pick and our guy is gone.  Are you interested in sliding up a spot to ensure you get who you want?  We're confident you're not about to select our guy."  The Giants (and everyone on the planet) know the Jets want a QB but if the Giants want Barkley or Chubb and would be happier getting him at #3 than #2 this is a no-brainer move to offer the #2 to the Jets.

My question is, if you were the Jets would you trade up and what would you be willing to give up?

There's some game theory here.  The Jets would also have to know that the Giants want a non-QB and that they probably can't slide lower than #3 because Cleveland is ready to go non-QB at #4.

[nyjunc]

I would never make a deal w/ those clowns under any circumstances.  They HATE the Jets and would never do anything to help us, they'd only make a move if they could fleece us.

[rangerous]

from what i can tell, darnold is a pretty clear no. 1 choice.  choice 2-4 are more or less equal.  no point to moving up from 3.

[Lupz27]

11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Assumption:  Cleveland selects Sam Darnold at #1 and the Giants don't want any of the QBs left with their pick at #2.

What if the Giants call the Jets and say, "We're getting some calls for the #2 pick and our guy is gone.  Are you interested in sliding up a spot to ensure you get who you want?  We're confident you're not about to select our guy."  The Giants (and everyone on the planet) know the Jets want a QB but if the Giants want Barkley or Chubb and would be happier getting him at #3 than #2 this is a no-brainer move to offer the #2 to the Jets.

My question is, if you were the Jets would you trade up and what would you be willing to give up?

There's some game theory here.  The Jets would also have to know that the Giants want a non-QB and that they probably can't slide lower than #3 because Cleveland is ready to go non-QB at #4.

The Bears traded 4 picks last year to make this exact trade for this exact reason why would the Giants take anything less in value?

[jetstream23]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

The Bears traded 4 picks last year to make this exact trade for this exact reason why would the Giants take anything less in value?

Easy.  Because the Giants choice could essentially be...

1. Take Barkley at #2.

2. Take Barkley at #3 and get a 4th round pick.

Which would you do?

[jetstream23]

12 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I would never make a deal w/ those clowns under any circumstances.  They HATE the Jets and would never do anything to help us, they'd only make a move if they could fleece us.

That's the point.  I think the Giants have a very, VERY easy calculation here but only if they are going non-QB.  IF they don't want a QB then they know 100% that they could have their guy at either #2 or #3.  Why not get a free draft pick to take the same guy one spot later?

To be clear, they wouldn't be doing anything to help us.  They'd be doing this to help themselves and to make the Jets give up a draft pick just to take the same guy at #2 that the Giants know they will leave on the board for the Jets at #3.

[Beerfish]

I would only really think about it if:

A) Cleveland does not take Darnold

or

b ) The price is really cheap as in a 4th rounder or so.

[#27TheDominator]

12 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I would never make a deal w/ those clowns under any circumstances.  They HATE the Jets and would never do anything to help us, they'd only make a move if they could fleece us.

How does that work?  You are so convinced they are trying to fleece you that you wouldn't move up for a 7th?  A 7th in 2019?  The first rule of any of this sh*t is to be confident in your own decisions.  What the Giants want or why they want it has very little relevance.  Unless you like QB2 exactly the same as QB3 you explore this deal or you are either a fool or demented.  Or both.

[JetFaninMI]

No. I wouldn't do it. They already traded out of the second and if anything should try to get back into the second. Stay at 3. The guy they want will be there so what's the point?

[Lupz27]

2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Easy.  Because it the Giants choice could essentially be...

1. Take Barkley at #2.

2. Take Barkley at #3 and get a 4th round pick.

Which would you do?

It doesn’t work that way though, they have to convince the Jets they are moving out to another team that wants a QB, and rape, or pick. 

Obviously I’d take the 4th and Barkley, but if I’m the Jets, and that’s all they are asking for I sit tight, and know it’s a bluff with the extremely low asking price.

[kelly]

if sam is still there.. yes !...

[UntouchableCrew]

I think you can call their bluff there. They're only willing to do this if they A) don't want a QB and 2) want a premium player only available at the top of the draft. There's nobody else they can trade down with and ensure they get what they want -- why give up anything?

[ChuckkieB]

I would stand pat and call the Giants bluff.  If they're actually willing to trade down one pick, it signals that the Giants are confident that the Jets won't take whoever they want, which one would have to assume is NOT a QB. 

[Villain The Foe]

I'd move up and offer our 7th round. That would make sure that a team like Buffalo doesn't move up and take the player Im looking at. 

 

[Lupz27]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I would only really think about it if:

A) Cleveland does not take Darnold

or

b ) The price is really cheap as in a 4th rounder or so.

See I’d give Cleveland our 2019 1st rounders right now to swap picks for Darnold, and Darnold only, regardless of what everyone else around here thinks, and can argue with me till we are all blue in the face I think Darnold is special, and head, and shoulders the best complete prospect among these QB’s, 5 years from now when Darnold is proving to be the best QB from this draft class nobody will give a sh*t about that extra 1st rounder we gave up.  Sounds crazy now, BUT there is no price to high to get a true franchise QB at a young age controlled on the cheap for first 5 years.

IF I’m the Browns, AND the possible rumors are true they like both Darnold, and Allen I’m calling the Jets, and swapping the picks for a Kings ransom if the Jets reveal they are moving up for Darnold, or Rosen, and knowing the Giants are not taking Allen.

The Giants are not taking Allen it’s Darnold, or try as hard as hell to trade back with Denver, or Cleveland, or pick top rated prospect whoever that may be.

Any combo where either Allen, or Mayfield go in the top 2 picks the Jets better not **** this up, and take Darnold, or Rosen whichever is available in that order if both are available, perfect world Giants trade out of 2 prior to the Browns selection, and the Browns take Allen, and the team that traded to 2 takes Mayfield!

[Bleedin Green]

If there's one (and only one) guy that the Jets are particularly enamored with, then it may be worth it as far as they are concerned.  From my perspective, if Darnold is already gone, there's little incentive for them to move up any further with a bare minimum of 2 of the top QBs still on the board even if they were to stay put and the price would likely not be too cheap.

That said, if something as minimal as a seventh would really do it (which of course it wouldn't), then why the hell not?

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

That's the point.  I think the Giants have a very, VERY easy calculation here but only if they are going non-QB.  IF they don't want a QB then they know 100% that they could have their guy at either #2 or #3.  Why not get a free draft pick to take the same guy one spot later?

To be clear, they wouldn't be doing anything to help us.  They'd be doing this to help themselves and to make the Jets give up a draft pick just to take the same guy at #2 that the Giants know they will leave on the board for the Jets at #3.

I have a hard time believing the Giants are going to draft anything other than a QB unless they are completely blown away by a trade and we couldn't blow them away.  The last thing they'd want is to flip w/ us and then we hit on a QB and they have to deal w/ hearing abo0ut that for 10-15 years.  They despise us in every way, they would never do anything close to helping us.

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

How does that work?  You are so convinced they are trying to fleece you that you wouldn't move up for a 7th?  A 7th in 2019?  The first rule of any of this sh*t is to be confident in your own decisions.  What the Giants want or why they want it has very little relevance.  Unless you like QB2 exactly the same as QB3 you explore this deal or you are either a fool or demented.  Or both.

when QBs are involved it will cost more than a 7th to move up and they will use Buffalo or Miami to try entice us to give up more.  One of the reasons we moved up to 3 was b/c if we didn't Buffalo was going to.

[j4jets]

2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Assumption:  Cleveland selects Sam Darnold at #1 and the Giants don't want any of the QBs left with their pick at #2.

What if the Giants call the Jets and say, "We're getting some calls for the #2 pick and our guy is gone.  Are you interested in sliding up a spot to ensure you get who you want?  We're confident you're not about to select our guy."  The Giants (and everyone on the planet) know the Jets want a QB but if the Giants want Barkley or Chubb and would be happier getting him at #3 than #2 this is a no-brainer move to offer the #2 to the Jets.

My question is, if you were the Jets would you trade up and what would you be willing to give up?

There's some game theory here.  The Jets would also have to know that the Giants want a non-QB and that they probably can't slide lower than #3 because Cleveland is ready to go non-QB at #4.

No, not a no-brained. If Giants are willing to drop back behind the Jets, they are not interested in a QB. Which means Jets should have ZERO interest in leaping the Giants. 

Now Jets can call Browns and say “listen, there are two of the top 4 QBs still on board and the Broncos are wanting to jump to 3rd to draft Barkley and have promised not to pick a QB. We would rather have you swap with us to get your guy. If not, Broncos have a very enticing offer. You in?”

 

[Pcola]

This really depends on how they view Rosen, Allen, and Mayfield.  Me personally, I watched several games of each, more so of Mayfield.  I would prefer Rosen and think it will be worth a 3rd or 4th to swap.

But the Jets love affair with Allen and Mayfield, they may as well just sit there and take what I believe will be an inferior QB at 3 instead of taking him at 2.

[#27TheDominator]

21 minutes ago, j4jets said:

No, not a no-brained. If Giants are willing to drop back behind the Jets, they are not interested in a QB. Which means Jets should have ZERO interest in leaping the Giants. 

Um... you do realize the Giants could trade the pick to another team.  Somebody like the Broncos.  Maybe the interest shouldn't be ZERO? 

[TheSage]

Close the thread-would never happen. Basically it says the Giants have no interest in a QB (other than projected #1) and can get what they want at 3. 

[j4jets]

45 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Um... you do realize the Giants could trade the pick to another team.  Somebody like the Broncos.  Maybe the interest shouldn't be ZERO? 

Sure. What do they have to lose? #2 QB or the best RB. So yeah, if they do trade, it’ll be a draft haul for them, something that wouldn’t stop them from not trading with us since we won’t be offering anything significant. 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

I would think this years 3rd and next years 1st are off limits to add pieces for the new QB, not sure much else matters at this point, they are all in 

[Larz]

The only logical reason that this hasn't happened already is that the giants are taking a QB 

[JetFanatic]

Every time I try to overthink it in regards to what team is picking who that's when I get it completely wrong.  As far as what I think SHOULD happen it should be Cleveland - Darnold / NYG - Rosen / NYJ - Mayfield.

[greenwave81]

I would only really think about it if:
A) Cleveland does not take Darnold
or
b ) The price is really cheap as in a 4th rounder or so.

Really ??

What if you really wanted a specific QB from amongst Rosen Mayfield or Allen? Would you risk DEN or BUF moving to 2 and taking your guy?

This is when we may truly see who Macc really wants.

[greenwave81]

It doesn’t work that way though, they have to convince the Jets they are moving out to another team that wants a QB, and rape, or pick. 
Obviously I’d take the 4th and Barkley, but if I’m the Jets, and that’s all they are asking for I sit tight, and know it’s a bluff with the extremely low asking price.

See...that is not It entirely true.

The Giants choice might be a 3/4th plus Barkley in a deal with the NYJ OR say taking a DEN deal for either Barkley/Chubb and more DPs. Hell...Buffalo can offer 12 and 22 this year and next years 1st. The question is how much do the Giants want either Barkley or Chubb? Because that is only as far as they’ll trade back

[greenwave81]

It doesn’t work that way though, they have to convince the Jets they are moving out to another team that wants a QB, and rape, or pick. 
Obviously I’d take the 4th and Barkley, but if I’m the Jets, and that’s all they are asking for I sit tight, and know it’s a bluff with the extremely low asking price.

See...that is not It entirely true.

The Giants choice might be a 3/4th plus Barkley in a deal with the NYJ OR say taking a DEN deal for either Barkley/Chubb and more DPs. Hell...Buffalo can offer 12 and 22 this year and next years 1st. The question is how much do the Giants want either Barkley or Chubb? Because that is only as far as they’ll trade back

[choon328]

Last year it cost the Bears a 2017 3rd and 4th and a 2018 4th to move from 3 to 2. That's what the Jets would have to pay. And if they have one person rated higher than the next then you make that deal all day every day to make sure you get your guy and nobody else does

[RoadFan]

11 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I would never make a deal w/ those clowns under any circumstances.  They HATE the Jets and would never do anything to help us, they'd only make a move if they could fleece us.

I was going to ask where you get the idea the Giants organization "hates the Jets."  Then I looked who made this post and am really asking just out of morbid curiosity now.

This Giants inferiority complex thing is only in the minds of many of the "local" Jets fans.  Most of us outsiders are forever grateful the Giants beat those Massholes out of two more Super Bowls. 

In fact, I question the theory of the Giants organization hating the Jets.  Maybe the local Giants fans mock the Jets. Certainly, Francesa did.  But those are different things.  I imagine the Giants treat the Jets the same as any of the other 31 teams...no better...no worse.

[Mike135]

It's the year to get the best QB you can get.  At whatever cost.  Tanking, trading away the draft...  whatever is needed.

Just get a good QB.

[Thai Jet]

11 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I would never make a deal w/ those clowns under any circumstances.  They HATE the Jets and would never do anything to help us, they'd only make a move if they could fleece us.

Exactly . Thanks but no thanks. We'll stay where we are.

[Dupe]

The Jets will present smiles regardless of who we pick and I beliece they like 3 guys.  But there may be one guy they are hopeing for (and maybe not). This would tell us if so and show that they felt one guy was significantly better or a betther fit.

I vote stay.  If the Giants are offering a swap then they are not picking the guy we want.  

[Maxman]

11 hours ago, Beerfish said:

I would only really think about it if:

A) Cleveland does not take Darnold

or

b ) The price is really cheap as in a 4th rounder or so.

Yes if Allen goes # 1, you have to give this thought to take Darnold.

But if Allen goes # 1 the Giants are taking Darnold # 2.

[David Harris]

I’d trade our 3rd to move up to 2

but I hope macs smarter than me and doesn’t do it and still gets our guy (Rosen please!)