Jets Likely Starting 2-Deep on the Offensive Line

[Sarge4Tide]

It's possible the Jets offensive line for 2018 is set with these 9 players 

LT - Kelvin Beachum - Ben Ijalana
LG -James Carpenter - Jonothan Harrison / Travis Swanson
C - Spencer Long -  Travis Swanson / Jonothan Harrison
RG - Brian Winters - Travis Swanson / Brent Qvale
RT - Brandon Shell - Brent Qvale / Ben Ijalana

If this is indeed the Jets offensive line on opening day, what are your thoughts?

[Untouchable]

Average to slightly above average

But I’d still prefer to add an interior guy in the 3rd who can play both guard and center (Ragnow/Cole). This years OT crop is pretty much poop IMO. Beachum is a solid starting LT when healthy and Shell has shown some promise. Plus the Jets just brought back Ijalana and Qvale as depth. I think we’re fine at OT this season but finding a potential franchise LT should be a top priority next offseason.

[Sarge4Tide]

As soon as I posted this, I saw where Dakota Dozier was re-signed.....you have to figure him, Harrison, and Swanson will fight it out for 2 spots

[#27TheDominator]

I see it as below average. I would hope that they get some help in the draft and mini-draft.  They were not particularly good last year and I am not as optimistic that upgrading Wesley Johnson will suddenly improve everybody else.  For me, the important factor is Dennison. Hopefully, he can get things going. 

[RVAJet815]

Looking improved, but not by much. Hopefully some draft prospects and non drafted FAs can come in and get a look.

[Cyberjet]

I have no clue particularly given that it's a new OL scheme. My thoughts are the Jets are happy with these guys for the new sheme and we may be happily surprised.

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

It's possible the Jets offensive line for 2018 is set with these 9 players 

LT - Kelvin Beachum - Ben Ijalana
LG -James Carpenter - Jonothan Harrison / Travis Swanson
C - Spencer Long -  Travis Swanson / Jonothan Harrison
RG - Brian Winters - Travis Swanson / Brent Qvale
RT - Brandon Shell - Brent Qvale / Ben Ijalana

If this is indeed the Jets offensive line on opening day, what are your thoughts?

Sit the rookie and let McCown take the hits. Get a nfl acceptable line to protect qb before throwing rookie to the wolves 

[JoJoTownsell1]

I think simply by going from Wesley Johnson to any non-useless center improves the offensive line a ton. 

Going from guys like mawae to Mangold made many of us feel that anyone can play center but clearly having a the worst one took it's toll. With that said, the o line last year was good enough most games. 

[Lith]

I wonder if Carpenter might be on his way out.  Signed Swanson, Long, Harrison and Dozier.  All interior OL.  Carp is not a fit for the zone scheme that we are likely to run.  Maybe he has some value in trade - may be a long shot with just a year left on his contract, but at a $4.4Mil base, that is not a big cap hit for a team in need of a starting G.

[Villain The Foe]

19 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Sit the rookie and let McCown take the hits. Get a nfl acceptable line to protect qb before throwing rookie to the wolves 

I agree. Sure, Spencer Long is an upgrade, but he's also an injury concern. He's missed time because of his quad, knee and concussions in his career. As for Travis Swanson, word on the street is that he was the Lions version of the Jets Wesley Johnson. 

There's no telling what this line is at the moment, if there's an injury at anytime this team is in trouble. Hopefully Winters is 100%, we were all ripping him last year and then found out that he was playing with a ripped abdomen. I can halfway understand the Ijalana signing, but Dozier should not be on this team. He's had years worth of chances to step of into a starting role and couldn't. Why is he even here? 

Like usual, when we need real improvement to the Oline via free agency, they immediately go out and sign the best cornerback on the market. 

 

[Larz]

If shell takes a step forward, it might be offset by carpenters decline but long is an upgrade so who the hell knows lol

[bitonti]

if these 5 guys start the year and play all 16 games together, they would be a top 10 unit by the end of the year, just by the rules of attrition 

but then again there's not many lines we can't make that statement about 

[Jetworks]

If they cut Winters it'll be average. With him, slightly below. He's incredibly unsound fundamentally, although he has improved since entering the league.

[Greenseed4]

WTH does 2-deep mean?

[RobR]

16 minutes ago, bitonti said:

if these 5 guys start the year and play all 16 games together, they would be a top 10 unit by the end of the year, just by the rules of attrition 

but then again there's not many lines we can't make that statement about 

There is not one player on that list that would be considered a pro bowl type of player. That's what happens when your GM continually dismisses the entire offensive line come draft day. 

[RobR]

5 minutes ago, Jetworks said:

If they cut Winters it'll be average. With him, slightly below. He's incredibly unsound fundamentally, although he has improved since entering the league.

Tell me the player who is an upgrade over Winters on that list. Winters is nothing special but he was playing hurt all last season and I'm hoping he rebounds a bit this year.

[20andOut]

On the offensive line depth is only important from an injury standpoint. Normally you want stability with same 5 taking almost all the snaps. Not going to rotate guys in the way teams do with D-line

[BigO]

3 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

It's possible the Jets offensive line for 2018 is set with these 9 players 

LT - Kelvin Beachum - Ben Ijalana
LG -James Carpenter - Jonothan Harrison / Travis Swanson
C - Spencer Long -  Travis Swanson / Jonothan Harrison
RG - Brian Winters - Travis Swanson / Brent Qvale
RT - Brandon Shell - Brent Qvale / Ben Ijalana

If this is indeed the Jets offensive line on opening day, what are your thoughts?

With all the money Mac had to play with, the OL should have been his top priority. We’ve already exhausted our draft picks and will not get a high caliber pick in round 3. Next year we have yet more money to blow and Max better improve the OL to protect

The Golden Boy.

 

[j4jets]

Best OL in the league !

[Pcola]

First, the Jets are not keeping all of those OL.  We are going to have 25 on offense.  If you have 3 QBs, 4 RBs/FBs, 3 TEs, and 6 WRs, that leaves 9 spots for OL.

If they keep 7 WRs (very likely - Pryor, Anderson, Kearse, Enunwa, Stewart, Hanson, and Roberts (kr)) then that only leaves 8 OL.

Was is great is they have 3 guys that can play both guard and center.  What this OL lacks is one above average player.  Hopefully, the ZBS hat Bates is utilizing can turn dog crap into a functional unit.

With all this competition, I’m fearing they could completely ignore OL in this draft.

[Jetworks]

2 hours ago, RobR said:

Tell me the player who is an upgrade over Winters on that list. Winters is nothing special but he was playing hurt all last season and I'm hoping he rebounds a bit this year.

I see your point. They're below average with or without him I guess. 

[Bleedin Green]

It will definitely be heavily dependent on how Long does for the Jets.  Beachum I think is underappreciated among fans for whatever reason, but will do his part.  Winters isn't anything spectacular, but he'll be fine.  Shell you hope will continue to show some growth heading into his second year as the full time starter.  While not terrible, he certainly didn't live up to fan expectations last year.  Carpenter is definitely the biggest question mark of the bunch.  He was great for the Jets his first 2 years, but definitely took a major nosedive last year.  While you hope the improvement at C will help him turn it around, as others have pointed out, his history of struggles in a zone blocking scheme is hardly reassuring.  If he shows struggles in camp similar to last year, some of these other guys should get a shot at competing for the starting job.

We also don't know if there could end up being some "surprising" changes in the lineup this year, as I think it's pretty much without question they'll be deferring to Dennison on those decisions.

[BCJet]

2 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I think simply by going from Wesley Johnson to any non-useless center improves the offensive line a ton. 

Going from guys like mawae to Mangold made many of us feel that anyone can play center but clearly having a the worst one took it's toll. With that said, the o line last year was good enough most games. 

Agreed - I think Wes sucked and Winters was hurt, which dragged down the overall productivity of the line.

I would love to see us take an interior lineman simply because the position is deep in this draft so we can keep building the position, but overall this group will be improved

[David Harris]

LT’s are hard to find- getting a serviceable starter in Beachum was a really solid signing for Mac.

Carpenter declined

wesley Johnson was a disaster fully on Mac’s shoulders after passing on Eiflin last draft. I love the new guy’s athleticism, think he’ll be a big upgrade if healthy.

winters got hurt and was decently overpaid

shell has been good for a 5th round pick but not that great overall

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I’m a Mac fan but outside of Beachum I don’t think he’s done significant good here. Very very meh.  

However, like the rams and niners it really only makes sense to throw resources like crazy at these spots once you have the QB. We have one now (we’ll find out who soon)- so next off season and future drafts I expect a lot going into the OL

[Smashmouth]

the Jets will have a center and a healthy Winters and the possibility of someone shaking lose before or during training camp they should be fine with the ability to get better very quickly if everyone stays healthy

[Long Island Leprechaun]

Average to mediocre OL right now. But still an improvement over last year's chaos. I don't agree with the poster who feels we can't upgrade OL in the 3rd round or later. There will be solid choices still available, but I sure hope Mac doesn't wait until the 5th or later to pick up flyers. After QB, OL remains the highest priority in the draft.

[Lith]

We are likely going to have a rookie QB starting at some point this season, or at the very least, next season.  Top priority for a young QB, IMO, is to protect him.  Our OL looks to be average at best.  We need better than that to protect the rookie.  Especially if it is going to be Rosen, the least mobile of the group and a guy with a concussion history.  I am all for upgrading the OL in the draft -- as long as the right guy is on the board in the 3rd.  By 2019, we need a better than average OL.  Adding some talent in this year's draft is a nice start.

We also need a pass rusher, but that is what next year's 1 is for.  

[faba]

I see an average offensive line -no one that really will jump out and you can say one of the best at their position. Depth and verstaility is better than average

[Jetster]

COACHING MATTERS! 

When Dante Scarnechia retired the Patriots hired the Jets Oline coach under Rex, I can't even remember his name but that irrelevant. My point is they had a horrible year up front, Brady got hit a lot, Belichick fired him & Dante came out of retirement & all of sudden the Pats Oline was playing well with Nate Solder & a bunch of NOBODIES. They had tons of injuries and still managed to move people around & do ok. 

In comes Dennison. You don't need ALL PROS at every position. You need a comprehensive offensive plan that matches the skills of your players. You need a QB that doesn't hold the ball too long, and makes his reads quickly, gets the ball out & has great ball skills in the running game & with playaction. Macc put together great depth so far and brought in enough guys for Dennison to work with. I have a really good feeling about his coaching, and the addition of the new center Long. Wesley Johnson was really weak, and it affected the interior badly. We now know that Winters played injured all year. Shell should take another step, and I would love it if Orlando Brown fell to the Jets at the top of the 3rd. Highly unlikely but stranger things have happened in the draft. 

I look at Rosen & Mayfield as 2 guys that can play fast, get the ball out accurately and that in turn will help out the Oline. McCown was given 10 million because 7 million was for his QBing, and 3 million to be a sideline coach with Bates moving to OC. I'm wondering if this is an actual move towards McCown moving to coaching in the near future similar to Frank Reich. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

It's crap. They were crap last year and it's basically the same line. Crap crappity crap.

[bitonti]

the upgrade at center and hopefully QB will improve the OL. there's no Tyron Smith or Trent Williams but they could be a mediocre unit which is a huge upgrade from where they were last year.  Winters was hurt, Wesley Johnson really didn't play like a starter and that hurt everything. 

I am higher on Brandon Shell than most. If Cordy Glenn can play left tackle why can't Brandon Shell? He's also got 35 inch and his uncle is Art Shell. That Shell pick to move up in the 5th round or whatever has been Mac's best day 3 pick so far

side note the Jets love LSU and sons of pros (George Adams father of Jamal)

Karl Malone (the Utah Jazz great mailman) son plays offensive line for LSU. he projects as a guard maybe a 5th-6th if he's lucky. better believe the Jets scouts have looked at KJ Malone.   

[jack48]

19 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

It's possible the Jets offensive line for 2018 is set with these 9 players 

LT - Kelvin Beachum - Ben Ijalana
LG -James Carpenter - Jonothan Harrison / Travis Swanson
C - Spencer Long -  Travis Swanson / Jonothan Harrison
RG - Brian Winters - Travis Swanson / Brent Qvale
RT - Brandon Shell - Brent Qvale / Ben Ijalana

If this is indeed the Jets offensive line on opening day, what are your thoughts?

That left tackle position gives me the shivers

[peebag]

17 hours ago, bitonti said:

if these 5 guys start the year and play all 16 games together, they would be a top 10 unit by the end of the year, just by the rules of attrition 

but then again there's not many lines we can't make that statement about 

Every year it's the same with you - "no need to worry about the O-line".....

[UntouchableCrew]

The line sucked last year. I think the hope is:

1) Spencer Long is a great fit for the new system and will improve everyone. Having trash at C really hurts the entire line, particularly the guards.

2) Brian Winters was hurt last year. He'll be better healthy with a real C next to him.

3) Shell is young and continuing to improve.

4) Dennison will get more out of these guys with the zone system.

That said the O line still feels like a bunch of injury prone below average guys to me.

[DoubleDown]

Quality over quantity.

The Jets still have a ton of work to do on the offensive line. Behind quarterback, the offensive line is the single biggest component for success in today's NFL.

All or most of these players are average at best. If the Jets are smart, most of them will be replaced within two years.