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12 hours ago, Gangrene said:

He told me it's absolutely not a joke and the same spycraft dept heads (some of the best in the business) that he trusted in NY all those years have the Giants new personnel staff convinced that it is real enough to the point where everyone on the Giants staff except for new GM Dave Gettleman and an assistant staffer are operating as if it's true and they'll have their pick of all the QBs at 2 or at worst Baker Mayfield will go 1.

The idea of Baker Mayfield going #1 never occurred to me. I don't like it, but if the rumors that the jints don't like Rosen are also true, I guess I'll get by. 

11 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Good they are bringing [Darnold] in.  They should be ready just in case he is there.   In terms of public workouts, he has not had one with the jets (but has a scheduled one with broncos and bills interestingly enough).

Allen-Darnold going #1-2 is my favorite draft scenario. Darnold has all those fumbles in southern California and those small hands that predict more fumbles in the northeast. But the Jets should still do their due diligence. 

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3 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you on a topic that will get this thread locked.  But I will say this.  In my experience, people's adherence to "athletes/entertainers should stay in their lanes/nobody care what they have to say" POV tends to depend on whether the athlete/entertainer is agreeing with them or not.  The folks on the left don't particularly want to hear from gun-loving, flag-waving celebs thanking Jesus for every win, successful play, or award, and the folks on the right don't want to hear from entertainers talking about privilege, or police brutality, or whatever.  But the folks on the left love hearing from the ones talking about privilege/policing, and the folks on the right love hearing their stars talk about abortion being wrong or God or saluting the flag.  Personally, unless people feel the same kind of way about hearing their team's QB talk about Jesus as they do hearing them talk about privilege, it's hard to take their "stay in your lane, nobody wants to hear your non-football opinions" comments seriously.

In terms of Rosen ... he's going to have a position that allows him to reach millions of people, who should evaluate what he says on any subject for whatever it's substantively worth - no more, no less.  Some people with a megaphone are idiots. Others save lives.  There's no real telling which is which until they get handed the megaphone.  But unless there's any indication that his political views are somehow interfering with his preparation to play football (spoiler: there's no such indication, any more than a player who loves fishing or hunting  isn't "focusing on football" when he's out doing that), then there's no reason anyone else should care that he has or expresses political views.

All l am going to say is that Rosen is a kid. Do you have the same opinions you had at his age now? Are your views on some subjects the same now as they were when you were in your early 20's? People's opinions change as they gain experience. What he may believe now on any subject will probably change as time goes on. People's political views change as time passes. I doubt Rosen's views on anything at this point in his life are going to change the world or save anyone's life. Granted he is an intelligent young man who has opinions but here's the thing: In this day and age where EVERYTHING you put out there is out there forever and could have negative repercussions in the future, for the rest of your life, isn't it wise to use some discretion? That's all I'm saying. Look at Kaepernick. Whether you agree with him or not no one wants to touch the guy because of what he has done. He even said he would stand for Anthem and still no one wants to deal with it. Everything you do now has a consequence and goes with you for the rest of your life. So a young man who is just starting out should take that into account before he makes a statement. That's all I'm talking about. If he was established I might feel differently but even then he should use caution.

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22 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

I find it very interesting that the mods had to lock down the Rosen article thread.  To me it sort of explains why I think he'd be a bad fit for us.  He's obviously very bright and there's obviously more to him that just football.  For the side of the fan base that supports the activism that's entered the game he's going to be great.  For the side that wants to keep all that stuff out of the game I think he's going to cause problems.  It's boring but a lot safer for the face of the franchise to just be cliched and 100% about football vs. "platforming"...  

So let’s worry about the idiot portion of the fan base’s feeling over winning football games.

All this crap against Rosen is complete BS.  And as soon as the draft is over, no one will be talking about that crap ever again.  

Winning Football games trumps everything.

What the hell are we supposed to do, take an inferior QB because a group of people don’t want any player on the team they root for to be active for things he believes in?  Fans will support Michael Vick and all the absolutely terrible things that POS did but we are supposed to pass on Josh Rosen, who actually could be the best QB in this draft right now?

These conversations are just beyond stupid.

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4 hours ago, C Mart said:

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Robert Klemko (@RobertKlemko)

4/10/18, 10:19 PM

I'm putting my money on Mayfield to the Jets for some reasons I can get into after the draft. twitter.com/mattymascle/st…


 

Mayfield must have gotten a guarantee from the jets.   People that have been toying him, like Klemko and Allbright are now all out saying Baker won't get past 3.

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3 hours ago, Pcola said:

So let’s worry about the idiot portion of the fan base’s feeling over winning football games.

All this crap against Rosen is complete BS.  And as soon as the draft is over, no one will be talking about that crap ever again.  

Winning Football games trumps everything.

What the hell are we supposed to do, take an inferior QB because a group of people don’t want any player on the team they root for to be active for things he believes in?  Fans will support Michael Vick and all the absolutely terrible things that POS did but we are supposed to pass on Josh Rosen, who actually could be the best QB in this draft right now?

These conversations are just beyond stupid.

That's not what I'm saying.  And I wish it wasn't the case.  But given there is no clear consensus that Rosen is the #1 QB in the draft I just think it's better to avoid alienating anybody regardless how idiotic you think they may be.  Activism, whether your pro-Trump or anti-Trump, pro-guns or anti-guns, is always going to be irritating someone.  It just isn't worth the hassle if you have comparable talent available without the controversy.  Also, IMO it's not apples to apples with Vick.  The ONLY reason he got any support is he did his time, admitted his failures and people believe in redemption.  

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2 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Mayfield must have gotten a guarantee from the jets.   People that have been toying him, like Klemko and Allbright are now all out saying Baker won't get past 3.

Yesterday it came out the Browns are split on who to take, and as a compromise they will take Chubb at 1, and settle on Mayfield, or Rosen at 4 whomever is available, and Mayfield is the guy that the GM, and scouts want, but the coaches want Rosen so now the Mayfield team is sending out serious signals he won’t get past #3 to try, and force the Browns top execs who make the final decision to get their boy Gayfield drafted #1 overall.

This is the only thing that I would believe from any of this, IF the Jets told Baker they wanted him with some kind of promise don’t you think that kind of thing getting out via his team possibly cause a rift between Jets, and Baker?  

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2 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

That's not what I'm saying.  And I wish it wasn't the case.  But given there is no clear consensus that Rosen is the #1 QB in the draft I just think it's better to avoid alienating anybody regardless how idiotic you think they may be.  Activism, whether your pro-Trump or anti-Trump, pro-guns or anti-guns, is always going to be irritating someone.  It just isn't worth the hassle if you have comparable talent available without the controversy.  Also, IMO it's not apples to apples with Vick.  The ONLY reason he got any support is he did his time, admitted his failures and people believe in redemption.  

If the talent is comparable, then there may be a tie breaking scenario, sure.  But you also don’t want to be on the wrong end of that decision.  We pass on Rosen to take Mayfield and if the reasoning was because Rosen is a Liberal, the FO better hope Mayfield is actually better than Rosen.  Mainly because we will probably be playing Rosen twice a year for the next 12 seasons.

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This is from Tony Pauline's entry today April 11th, ... it looks like the Giants and Bills may do business based on who the Browns select at 1. I expect once the Brown's decision at one becomes public, the Bills and the Giants  may or may not execute a pre-agreed trade for the second spot in the draft.

 

"Several people I’ve spoken with speculated that the New York Giants and Buffalo Bills likely have a blueprint in place for a trade that would allow the Bills to move up to the second spot in the draft. They also believe that the trade won’t happen until very late in the process, if it happens at all, as the Giants want to field further offers.

Several people have confided in me that additional and new red flags have popped up on former Florida receiver Antonio Callaway since the combine.

The talented receiver and return specialist turned in a terrific combine last month after sitting on the sidelines in 2017. Callaway, along with six other players, was suspended by the Gators last August for a violation of team rules. Josh Norris of Rotoworld reported earlier this week that the New York Jets brought Callaway in for an official visit."

 

http://draftanalyst.com/nfl-draft-news-notes-april-11

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3 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

speculated

 

4 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

likely

Terms used when not having real information, but just trying to put 2+2 together, and shine up a old regurgitated idea pretending they have inside info to get more future traffic.

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17 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

 

Terms used when not having real information, but just trying to put 2+2 together, and shine up a old regurgitated idea pretending they have inside info to get more future traffic.

Likely, but as long as we are aware of context i.e. that is is a rumor... there is entertainment value.

We have just over two weeks to go so all we have is rumors and a sea of talking heads for entertainment.

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4 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Yesterday it came out the Browns are split on who to take, and as a compromise they will take Chubb at 1, and settle on Mayfield, or Rosen at 4 whomever is available, and Mayfield is the guy that the GM, and scouts want, but the coaches want Rosen so now the Mayfield team is sending out serious signals he won’t get past #3 to try, and force the Browns top execs who make the final decision to get their boy Gayfield drafted #1 overall.

This is the only thing that I would believe from any of this, IF the Jets told Baker they wanted him with some kind of promise don’t you think that kind of thing getting out via his team possibly cause a rift between Jets, and Baker?  

It is all smokescreens and talk at this time.   But it is possible that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 (to bills or Giants) and the jets figured Mayfield is their likely guy and are trying to see if one of the top 2 slides.  Who knows.  I still prefer Rosen, but unsure whether he will get past 2.

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5 hours ago, Dinamite said:

It is all smokescreens and talk at this time.   But it is possible that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 (to bills or Giants) and the jets figured Mayfield is their likely guy and are trying to see if one of the top 2 slides.  Who knows.  I still prefer Rosen, but unsure whether he will get past 2.

Literally no one thinks Rosen goes top 2. Its either Darnold, Allen or Giants pick Chub or Barkley. You cant find a credible guy anywhere who thinks Giants take Rosen or a team trades up to 2 for Rosen.

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16 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Mayfield must have gotten a guarantee from the jets.   People that have been toying him, like Klemko and Allbright are now all out saying Baker won't get past 3.

I bloody hope Maccagnan hasn't guaranteed sh*t to Mayfield. What happens if someone the Jets rate higher than Mayfield is on the board when we pick plus Mayfield? His agent will strategically leak it to Mehta and the other hacks that his boy got stiffed. Does our reputation no good at all.

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3 hours ago, Aussie Jet said:

I bloody hope Maccagnan hasn't guaranteed sh*t to Mayfield. What happens if someone the Jets rate higher than Mayfield is on the board when we pick plus Mayfield? His agent will strategically leak it to Mehta and the other hacks that his boy got stiffed. Does our reputation no good at all.

Macc may not, who knows about the coaches though.  I remember stories of Rex making promises to players.   I can also see Bowles wanting the Mayfield (Jamal Adams for the offense) , the way he described what he looks for in a QB in he owners meeting.  While Macc being more into prototypical QB Rosen.

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I can see Buff or Miami looking to move up to #5  

The MMQB (@theMMQB)

4/12/18, 9:45 AM

Draft rumor alert! @AlbertBreer has heard that if Denver doesn’t like the quarterback that’s there at 5, whoever that is, then it’ll actively look at trying to get more picks. trib.al/yZ5JuRq

 

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In an effort to continue to do their due diligence ahead of next week's draft, where the Giantshold the No. 2 overall pick, New York is bringing in USC quarterback Sam Darnold on Monday and Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen on Tuesday, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

Rapoport added that Allen is visiting with the Buffalo Bills on Monday while Darnold is set to visit with the New York Jets on Tuesday.

 

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PM 75051 Josh Allen   +125  
75052 Sam Darnold   -200  
75053 Josh Rosen   +800  
75054 Baker Mayfield   +1800  
75055 Saquon Barkley   +600  
75056 Bradley Chubb   +2500  
75057 Minkah Fitzpatrick  

+6600

If anyone cares 

latest odds for first player taken on my betting site.  Allen and Mayfield have moved up and Darnold and Rosen down the most past week.   

 

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Everything you need to know about the Jets' plans with the No. 3 pick

By Ralph Vacchiano 

In less than a week, Jets GM Mike Maccagnan will make the most important draft pick of his tenure with the team, the one that surely will define his legacy.

No pressure, right?

Maccagnan may insist he doesn't feel it, but there's no doubt he understands the magnitude of what he does when the Jets are on the clock with the third overall pick in the NFL draft next Thursday night. And here's everything you need to know -- and everything I know at the moment, with the help of an array of team and league sources over the last few months -- about who that pick is going to be:

They are 100 percent taking a quarterback. Don't waste your time thinking of other possibilities. As one team source put it after they traded up from 6 to 3, "You'd have to be brain dead to think we're not drafting a quarterback." The price of moving up was too high for anything else.

The most likely choice seems to be either Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield and UCLA's Josh Rosen. For a long time the Jets seemed sure that Wyoming's Josh Allen and USC's Sam Darnold were likely going 1-2 in some order, or that Darnold would go 1 and the Giants would pass on Allen. In the case of the latter, Allen would still get some consideration, but the Mayfield-Rosen debate would likely be the rage.

Suddenly, Darnold might be in play, too. Before the Jets made their trade with the Colts, they called the Cleveland Browns about the No. 1 pick and were turned down. That appeared to be their last-ditch effort to get in position for Darnold, who they assumed would be snatched up by the Browns or Giants or someone else who traded up to 2. Now? They're not so sure, according to a source, which is why they made the late decision to add Darnold to their 30 pre-draft visits this week. There is a lot of talk that the Browns are taking Allen, and the Jets think there's at least a chance the Giants would then pass on Darnold and take Saquon Barkley. If that happens, expect the Jets to run the card with Darnold's name on it up to the podium before the Giants' pick finishes crossing the stage.

Right now, the Rosen-Mayfield choice seems like a tossup. I'd give the slight edge to Mayfield because that's whom most people think they'll pick, but I tend to be a trusting sort, even this time of year when everyone lies. The Jets were absolutely not sold on Mayfield when this process began, with several sources saying they weren't sure he could handle the pressure of New York and the size and ferocity of the media. They have since warmed up to his personality. Supposedly, Maccagnan, said to be an early doubter, has too. Rosen has some personality red flags too, albeit of a different variety, but most believe he's more of a complete and pro-ready quarterback prospect. It's unclear which one Maccagnan actually prefers. Rosen might be the safer pick. Mayfield would be the more electric one.

The Jets also like Allen, but he's probably a bit too much of a project. Like almost every scout around the league, the Jets love his size and his canon arm, but worry about his poor college numbers -- particularly his accuracy. If they were in a different situation, they might consider him, because he could have the highest ceiling of the Big Four. But remember, with journeyman Josh McCown, their current starter, turning 39 in July, the Jets really need to find someone who figures to be ready to take over in 2019. Also, Maccagnan can't take a big risk because he absolutely can't get this selection wrong.

If Darnold gets to 2, the Jets might try to trade up to get him … but don't expect it to happen. It takes two to tango, of course, which makes this scenario a bit far-fetched. But if the Browns really do take Allen then Maccagnan has to at least call Giants GM Dave Gettleman and see what he wants for the pick, right? The Jets didn't call the Giants about the No. 2 pick when they moved up from 6 to 3, but a high-ranking Giants source told me they would have at least listened. And if the Giants really are set on Barkley, taking any Jets offer would be a no-brainer because the Jets aren't moving up for the running back. Two problems, though: One is the Jets already used three second-round picks to move up to 3, without calling about 2, so there is some feeling in their building that they've already made their big move and don't want to give up anything more. And then there are the optics. If Darnold becomes a great quarterback and the Giants end up in "quarterback hell" after Eli Manning is done, this trade would haunt them. Then again, it would haunt them anyway if they pass on Darnold and let the Jets take him, so they may as well pick up an extra pick or two to ease their pain.

https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-jets-plans-with-the-no-3-pick/273058772

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9 minutes ago, C Mart said:

 

 

If Darnold gets to 2, the Jets might try to trade up to get him …\

https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-jets-plans-with-the-no-3-pick/273058772

That's just stupid....If the Giants like Darnold an extra 3rd or 2nd isn't going to make them pass on him - if not let the take whoever they want to take on move on.

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9 minutes ago, C Mart said:

If that happens, expect the Jets to run the card with Darnold's name on it up to the podium before the Giants' pick finishes crossing the stage.

If this to be true then he is the guy you have identified as THE guy, and when you identify a QB in any draft as THE guy you do whatever it takes at whatever it costs to get him, IF the Browns are truly undecided their stance on trading from 1 to 3 might be a whole lot different then it was from trading from 1 to 6, do whatever it takes to make it happen, at the end of the day IF your right about that QB nobody will care what you gave up to get him, and if your wrong at least you went down swinging with the guy you wanted to go with, it’s a lot easier to live with yourself in that situation then bombing the pick on your 2nd, or 3rd preference, and getting fired because of it.

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2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

That's just stupid....If the Giants like Darnold an extra 3rd or 2nd isn't going to make them pass on him - if not let the take whoever they want to take on move on.

yeah. I guess that's why Ralph wrote: "but don't expect it to happen. It takes two to tango, of course, which makes this scenario a bit far-fetched. But if the Browns really do take Allen then Maccagnan has to at least call Giants GM Dave Gettleman and see what he wants for the pick, right?"

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