varjet Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Kleckineau said: Steve Young was from a wealthy family but seemed to really love the game. Fans are gonna love Rosen when he misses games from concussions and starts kneeling. Steve Young was from an affluent family, but he is a good example for Rosen. Young's father was a lawyer. He was descended from Brigham Young. He certainly gave it all on the football field. He was extremely athletic. To me the biggest issue with Rosen is his build, his mobility and how he fits in a modern NFL offense that is relying more on a QB being able to move around-not run per se, but move around. Rosen could fit into the Giants, Patriots, Falcons offense now. How does Rosen compare athletically to Goff, or Cousins for that matter? But Hack nothwithstanding, the Jets appear to have focused on QBs that can move and throw-not well. The Jets should pray that someone takes Rosen ahead of them, so they can basically save face. They will squander Rosen. If someone below them picks him and he thrives, it will be a disaster. I feel like we are only stopped referring to Dan Marino daily recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 2h2 hours ago More Benjamin Allbright Retweeted John Scala Almost every I spoke to said Rosen was "the most ready" but also thought he was the "high floor/low ceiling" guy of the four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I know many don't like TK but I enjoy his podcast...About 8 minutes in he gives his opinion on how Rosen is being portrayed..it lasts about 4-5 minutes. https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/art19/tony-kornheiser-show/e/54059821 Episode Info Tony opens the show by talking about some NECCO candy that Torie brought in, tells a story about Charlie Steiner and the Aloha Towers, and discusses the criticism that Josh Rosen is getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 hmmm... Josh Rosen criticized for same traits that have made Eli Manning a franchise-altering QB for the Giants BY PAT LEONARD NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Saturday, April 14, 2018, 11:56 AM Eli Manning came from money out of Ole Miss back in 2004, with an arrest for public drunkeness on his record. He could be so mild-mannered and composed as to appear aloof in games, and he refused to play for the San Diego Chargers, influencing a draft-day trade just so the seemingly entitled QB could play for the Giants. No one holds Manning’s affluent background against him now, nor his minor slip-up with the law, nor his lack of a rah-rah demeanor, nor his kicking and screaming to make sure he’d play in New York. Instead, he has two Super Bowl rings and is praised for his steady demeanor, intelligence, and remarkable example as a franchise QB. Josh Rosen is Eli Manning -- minus the arrest. Or at least the UCLA quarterback is the closest thing to the next Eli in this heralded 2018 QB draft class. And after a decade-and-a-half of stability at the sport’s most important position under Manning, it’s fair to say the Giants’ search for a franchise QB this spring is essentially the hunt for Eli 2.0. Rosen is that, from his perceived flaws to his strengths, and those who know him will do you one better: Rosen in some ways might be more like another Manning -- Peyton. “I don’t view Eli on the same intelligence level as Rosen,” one NFL scout told the Daily News this week. “I once heard they used to tape episodes of Seinfeld for Eli, while Peyton used to ask for advanced film on teams or background of GMs in NFL. I think (Eli and Rosen) are about the same athlete. Rosen throws a prettier ball and has a better arm.” In fact, Chad Johnson, Rosen’s high school offensive coordinator and QB coach at St. John Bosco High School in Bellflower, Calif., told the News he and Rosen “modeled” the Braves’ “philosophy and offense” after Peyton’s Colts due to Rosen’s mental capacity as a QB. “We wanted to make sure the defense was always wrong,” Johnson, now the head coach at Mission Viejo, said on the phone Thursday. “And Josh in eighth grade, we realized how smart he was, and we always worked on that, approached the offense by learning the defense. I remember telling Josh, ‘I don’t know if you’ll ever be Peyton, but you’re so smart and you understand the game so well, I think you could run this offense.’” “Like Peyton, we’d try to get a three-play menu in each situation and he could get himself into the perfect play,” Johnson added. “And the best part about Josh -- a lot of QBs I’ve had, they make the run checks but when it works and hits, they don’t get overly excited about it. But when Josh checked to a run play and it would hit, he would come over excited like he threw an 80-yard bomb, and all he did was check to a run play and hit for 60. He got it. He wasn’t all about throwing the ball. He got it. He loved the chess game of football so much.” Rosen’s college coach Jim Mora has framed the quarterback’s intelligence and curiosity as negatives, telling The MMQB that Rosen “needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn’t get bored.” But Johnson said Rosen, who visited the Giants this past Tuesday and Wednesday in East Rutherford, is misunderstood. “You’ve gotta remember, this kid was in all AP classes,” Johnson said of Rosen, who is fascinated, for example, by SpaceX founder Elon Musk and the prospect of life on Mars. “His group of friends on a Saturday night were, like, building robots. They’re still his friends. That’s him. He just happens to be an NFL caliber quarterback. “He’s an outstanding kid. He didn’t have any problems with any of our kids at Bosco,” Johnson continued. “Josh is so smart. When he gets in conversation, he likes to debate, he likes the mental sparring. But maybe it’s different when you do it with the football team than with your friends in AP class? I don’t know. He’s probably learned over the years that he doesn’t have to make everyone feel he’s the smartest guy in the room.” But that’s a lesson that Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers never learned, right? Rosen’s recent visit with Rodgers -- who fell to 24th overall in the 2005 NFL Draft basically for being too cocky as a prospect out of Cal -- showed two quarterbacks who always have a follow-up question, or an extra thought or opinion, verbally sparring. There are worse qualities to have than being demanding. “I don’t think in any business being smart and thoughtful is a bad thing,” Greg Cosell, senior producer at NFL Films, told the News Saturday after a detailed scouting evaluation. “I think Rosen is a better prospect than (2016 first overall pick) Jared Goff coming out … Stylistically, (Rosen and Manning) are similar in that they’re more pure pocket players. Rosen, his mechanics are probably a little more refined, cleaner overall than Eli’s were … But if you’re not gonna draft him because he’s smart, thoughtful and questioning, that’s silly.” Rosen is, after all, the son of father Charles, an orthopedic surgeon, and mom Liz, the great-great-granddaughter of Joseph Wharton of Penn’s Wharton business school. Just as Peyton and Eli Manning learned how to closely study from former NFL QB father Archie, Rosen learned from his parents, now divorced, to be inquisitive and involved. That translates to football and helps the offense; it doesn’t hurt it. “He definitely likes to question things, and I liked that,” Johnson said. “You have to explain why you’re doing things. The days of telling players to shut the ‘F’ up and do what you need to do are over. And if you can’t explain it to your quarterback, it probably shouldn’t be in the game plan, right?” Rosen no doubt is much more socially and politically vocal and controversial than the Giants’ Eli Manning. He has admitted to mistakes, including wearing a ‘F--- Trump’ hat in public, posting a photo with a young woman in a hot tub in his dorm room, and using Under Armour’s UCLA partnership as a platform to criticize NCAA amateur status. What has Eli Manning accomplished? How about two Super Bowl titles. But Manning also at the moment is still embroiled in court in an alleged memorabilia scandal, yet his name still was sparkling clean in the eyes of Giants fans who revolted last season when Ben McAdoo benched him. Perhaps Rosen said it best in his recent revealing ESPN interview about a comparison with Rodgers. “I think if teams went back to that draft, they'd rethink some of their critiques of Rodgers,” Rosen said. “If he's the best pure passer in the draft, the best QB, with no legitimate off-field issues, that should be your answer -- that's your QB.” For the Giants, too, there are myriad similarities to Eli. Rosen made his name with a comeback for the ages, throwing for 491 yards, four TDs and no INTs in a 45-44 win over Texas A&M on Sept. 3, 2017. The Bruins trailed 44-10 with 4:08 to play in the third quarter and scored 35 unanswered. Manning’s signatures are his two fourth-quarter comebacks in Super Bowls XLII and XLVI on the mighty Patriots, winning the championships and MVPs. Off the field, Johnson said Rosen “really does care about people” -- influenced by his father, who has fought pharmaceutical and medical malpractice -- and is intent on getting involved in the community he joins. Johnson cites the story of Rosen once designing discount cards for local businesses to raise money for Bosco teammates’ trip to Hawaii. “Josh designed that plan on his own without any of us asking or knowing about it. He comes into the football office one day wearing a shirt and tie and suit,” Johnson said. “I said, ‘What are you doing, it’s 90 degrees? He said I’m making these discount cards to sell them so our kids can go to Hawaii. He drafted the contract himself.” “Josh is a lot like Eli as a human,” another friend of Rosen shared. “Eli is the Walter Payton Man of the Year, he’s business savvy, he’s cognizant of his position in New York. Everything you’ve become accustomed to with Eli, you’re getting that with Josh. He’s a guy who’s not gonna go out and get in trouble.” Durability looks like a discrepancy: Manning just completed a streak of 210 straight NFL regular season starts, while Rosen had surgery to repair a soft tissue injury in his throwing shoulder in 2016 and sustained two concussions this past season. Johnson, however, said there are easy answers to Rosen’s toughness and ability to take a hit. “The Chargers asked me about Josh’s toughness,” he said. “I told them, ‘You want to find out about Josh’s toughness? In basketball, he’s a power forward, a stretch four. Bring him in, have him play Antonio Gates one-on-one, and you’ll see how tough he is. He’s a physical basketball. And he’s stupid athletic.” Finally, maybe the most intriguing similarity to Eli? The best sense I get from reporting on this story is that Rosen might be as excited to play for the Giants now as Manning was back in 2004. No, he isn’t orchestrating a hostile takeover like Manning did, and he’ll give his best to whatever team drafts him. But Rosen made early comments about preferring to land with the right team and my feeling is he’s hoping for the Big Apple spotlight. Johnson, 38, who actually played college football at Hofstra under late Pride coach Joe Gardi, knows Rosen, knows New York, and says they’d be perfect for each other. (That also makes Johnson a former teammate of Giovanni Carmazzi, one of the infamous Brady Six -- the six QBs drafted over Brady in 2000.) “I think Josh would flourish in New York,” he said. “Obviously with his background, he’s Jewish, I think it’s definitely a place he would be welcomed. The Jewish community in New York City is very strong. And Josh is going to give back, and that more than anything is going to win over a locker room. He will do amazing things for the community to help people when he doesn’t have to do anything, and people will see that.” So there’s only one unanswered question left: what do the Giants see? http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/josh-rosen-criticized-traits-made-eli-star-article-1.3933689 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 NFL Nation Choose Blog... NFL Nation AFC North Baltimore Ravens Cleveland Browns Cincinnati Bengals Pittsburgh Steelers AFC South Houston Texans Indianapolis Colts Jacksonville Jaguars Tennessee Titans AFC East Buffalo Bills Miami Dolphins New England Patriots New York Jets AFC West Denver Broncos Kansas City Chiefs Oakland Raiders Los Angeles Chargers NFC North Chicago Bears Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Minnesota Vikings NFC South Atlanta Falcons New Orleans Saints Carolina Panthers Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC East Dallas Cowboys New York Giants Philadelphia Eagles Washington Redskins NFC West Arizona Cardinals Los Angeles Rams San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks Ranking the Jets' quarterback options, based on fit and potential pla Apr 13, 2018 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer comment The top quarterbacks have been analyzed and over-analyzed, and they'll be overly over-analyzed during the final run-up to the NFL draft. You've heard from the draft experts, so now it's time for my take. This is a fascinating quarterback class because it's top heavy with good prospects, but there's no can't-miss star. Each of the top prospects has obvious flaws, some more worrisome than others. Their games and personalities are so different, which adds intrigue to the selection process. The New York Jets, who own the third pick, aren't just picking a guy who throws the football. They're anointing a future face of the franchise, a player whose leadership style will set the tone for the entire organization. Not too much pressure, right? Anyway, here's how I'd rank them, based on their potential fit with the Jets: 1. Sam Darnold, USC: He's the most complete prospect because of his ability to extend plays, an important trait in today's NFL. Darnold's play slipped last season, but you saw in 2016 a player with franchise-changing ability. Dude went 20-4 in two seasons, and it's not like the USC offense was loaded with NFL talent. Yeah, the turnovers are a concern -- tied for the FBS lead with 22 -- but people said the same thing about Matt Ryan when he came out in 2008. Darnold isn't a rah-rah leader, but he endears himself to teammates with a gym-rat work ethic and a personality that is SoCal cool. The Jets would be lucky to get him, but it's unlikely unless they trade up. 2. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma: There are reasons not to like him: He's cocky, he's a shade under 6-foot-1 and he comes from a spread offense. Ordinarily, that combo isn't a recipe for NFL success, but Mayfield is an exception. He dominated for three years at the highest level of college football, posting ridiculous passing numbers and winning 33 of 39 starts at Oklahoma. His arm is plenty strong enough and his accuracy is uncanny, which should make him an ideal fit in the Jets' West Coast scheme. Some believe he could be a handful in a big market like New York, but he has presented himself well during meetings with the Jets, I'm told. He plays with a chip on his shoulder, and maybe it's about time the entire Jets' organization developed that mentality. 3. Josh Rosen, UCLA: In an interview with ESPN The Magazine, Rosen described himself as "monotonously consistent." After decades on the quarterback rollercoaster, the Jets would sign up for that. Rosen is a gifted pocket passer whose cerebral approach makes him the most pro-ready of the top quarterbacks. If he's picked by the Jets, he'll look fantastic in the spring and training camp, prompting a "Make-Rosen-the-starter" groundswell from fans and media. That said, I have him below Mayfield and Darnold because he's not efficient outside the pocket and because of questionable durability (missed eight of the last 19 games). His leadership traits also have been questioned. 4. Josh Allen, Wyoming: He has the highest ceiling, but the lowest floor among the quarterbacks. When you're picking third overall, it's best to avoid that kind of risk-reward scenario. Allen can throw it like nobody's business. His arm is so strong that fans will be clamoring for "Hail Mary" situations just to see how far he can sling it. Unfortunately, there's the accuracy issue (56 percent completion rate), and that can't be ignored because history shows it won't improve in the NFL. Some evaluators also have questioned his ability at the line of scrimmage. Allen is a project and you wonder if he'd be ready to take over in 2019. His intangibles are good and his physical ability is off the charts, but he still hasn't put it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Rosen's mouth and attitude has probably landed him a job in Buffalo. He is really gonna crack when it's 21 deg. and takes a blindside shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/954169670839382016?s=20 Just give this thread a peek. Not sure the link will work, if not, it’s on Ryan McCrystal’s twitter feed. It’s absolutely worth the read. Well, if Ryan McCrystal says it..Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/954169670839382016?s=20 Just give this thread a peek. Not sure the link will work, if not, it’s on Ryan McCrystal’s twitter feed. It’s absolutely worth the read. Well, if Ryan McCrystal says it..Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: Well, if Ryan McCrystal says it.. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Yes, I agree that I don’t know who the hell he is, but he has at least 30 videos and break down of each. Regardless of whether he is a professional scout, he did a phenomenal job breaking down a ton of throws of Allen’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 The last word: Former Jets quarterback Ken O'Brien lives in Manhattan Beach, California, Rosen's hometown: "I watched him in high school. He can spin it. He's one of the more natural guys throwing the ball. When the ball comes out of his hand, it jumps out of his hand. You hear the things out here recently, saying you have to put a lot on his plate to keep him busy. To me, that makes him sound like a really bright kid who can make decisions. Some of the things I've seen about him make it seem like he's not a team guy, but I haven't heard that out here." http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75672/mock-draft-1-0-jets-settle-for-third-quarterback-off-the-board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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