Pointdexter Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I have a hard time getting past this one: Josh Rosen career record at UCLA: 17 - 13 UCLA record 3 years preceding Rosen: 29 - 11 I understand there's extra circumstances to these numbers but it's hard for me to get past that he never won squat at ucla when Brett Hundley was so successful before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Great point. We are essentially looking for a QB to come and improve our odds of winning. Mayfield is the best pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I am sure it is at least a small part of the scouting equation but it probably doesn't mean much. Football is a team sport it is easy to hold the qb accountable for wins and losses as he is the face of the team but even the best qbs cant win a game alone.Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 It depends on whether or not you like the player and their political views. If you do, winning doesn’t matter. If you don’t, it matters a LOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscreen Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Baker Mayfield should be the Jets choice at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just as a comparison: Josh Allen 2 yr record at Wyom as a starter: 16 - 11 The two yrs preceding Allen: 6 - 18 Ppl can dog Allen all they like for his accuracy issues, but Wyoming did a 180 with him under center. Team was exponentially better with him at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I'm sure it looks pretty, but performance is still much more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Winning percentage for a quarter back is as significant as the winning percentage of a baseball pitcher, it's a pretty dumb statistic to go by in such a team game. (Nobody won more than Tebow, yet everyone says he stinks. I would have liked to give him a better shot...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 U can bet that winning percentage will be the number one stat that gets looked at once these guys are pros. As far as TimTebow Yes he won some games when the whole team was centered around a style that suited him. Plop him in a pro style offense and the wins weren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 If it doesn't it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I think when all is said and done, if we pass on Mayfield we re going to be sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 If that’s the case Tim Tebow should be a top 5 Qb in the nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 6 hours ago, NoBowles said: It depends on whether or not you like the player and their political views. If you do, winning doesn’t matter. If you don’t, it matters a LOT! Woody will be celebrating 5-11 next year while Josh Rosen lights it up in Denver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Its simple really. Winners win. Losers makes excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kthisguy Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Or you could look UCLA going 1-7 (I think) without Rosen.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kthisguy Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, kthisguy said: Or you could look UCLA going 1-7 (I think) without Rosen. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Winners win! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 The minute you can bring up Tebow your validity dies. Winning does matter but to bring up the winning record of a TEAM versus the stats of the individual player in a team sport and discounting the teams they played against, their respective records and how many of those players on those teams moved on to the pros is cherry picking to make a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Winners win! Lol Just like our future Franchise QB....can you guess who? Yep. You guessed it right! Bake boy wonder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 6 hours ago, DLJ said: I think when all is said and done, if we pass on Mayfield we re going to be sorry And if we take Rosen we will be VERY sorry, as I expect him to be the worst, and the most short lived of them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: Woody will be celebrating 5-11 next year while Josh Rosen lights it up in Denver Only thing glass boy will be lighting up is an MRI machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 9 hours ago, NoBowles said: It depends on whether or not you like the player and their political views. If you do, winning doesn’t matter. If you don’t, it matters a LOT! How pathetic that this is pretty much true nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Remember PeePee... Re MEMBER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 UCLAs defense was atrocious and when he was injured they basically never won. I can see why some might be concerned he didn't win more but IMO it's a team sport and the team around him just wasn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: UCLAs defense was atrocious and when he was injured they basically never won. I can see why some might be concerned he didn't win more but IMO it's a team sport and the team around him just wasn't that good. I think this is very fair. However, over a 3 year career he was never able to accomplish anything. If just one of those years Rosen galvanized his team into being a factor in the weak Pac 12, I would feel better. Personally I feel Rosen is a bit soft and UCLA sure always played that way too. I know we poke fun at the intensity and rah rah nature of guys like Mayfield, but I actually want that out of my QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Rosen fanbois takin it personal! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: I think this is very fair. However, over a 3 year career he was never able to accomplish anything. If just one of those years Rosen galvanized his team into being a factor in the weak Pac 12, I would feel better. Personally I feel Rosen is a bit soft and UCLA sure always played that way too. I know we poke fun at the intensity and rah rah nature of guys like Mayfield, but I actually want that out of my QB. There's probably some truth to this but I think it has more to do with Mora being an awful coach than Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 It should, but unfortunately in this era it does. That's because the media, led by BSPN, has brainwashed fans to believe that the QB is the end all be all in football, and no other position matters. So idiots who dont truly understand football have run with that bullcrap narrative like the sheep they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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