the trade that should have never happened

[kmnj]

I said since day one Jets will take Baker.....

Only guy I dont want is Baker.....which you may disagree with

Jets traded up to probably draft Baker a guy that would have been there at their original draft spot-I hope guys that cheered his move will admit it was a wasted move when they pick Baker at 6

I cant even believe we kept Mac around after his Hackenburg (yes fans once again did know better) pick-some how the browns have taylor hyde gordon and landry along with their top picks and we have browns castoffs as our starters in josh crowell and terrible pryor who was so bad the skins benched him even with most of their wrs hurt and in the playoff hunt

 

 

[Integrity28]

I’m saving my outrage for after he actually ****s up. Not for the hypothetical **** up.

[bla bla bla]

There is no way you could have guaranteed Baker would be there.

Browns - Allen

Giants - Darnold

Bills - Rosen

Browns - Barkley

Broncos - Mayfield

Jets - ?

 

the board could easily have fallen this way. Even if a QB is sitting there at 6 after we pick there is no guarantee it would have fallen that way had we stayed. For the price of Sheldon and two 2nds we will be getting Kearse and a choice between at least 2 top QB prospects.

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

I’m saving my outrage for after he actually ****s up. Not for the hypothetical **** up.

That’s no fun! 

[NoBowles]

2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’m saving my outrage for after he actually ****s up. Not for the hypothetical **** up.

^ Doesn't know how to do the real Jets fan thing.

[Scott Dierking]

I am outraged because of machinations in my own mind. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

8 minutes ago, kmnj said:

I said since day one Jets will take Baker.....

Only guy I dont want is Baker.....which you may disagree with

Jets traded up to probably draft Baker a guy that would have been there at their original draft spot-I hope guys that cheered his move will admit it was a wasted move when they pick Baker at 6

I cant even believe we kept Mac around after his Hackenburg (yes fans once again did know better) pick-some how the browns have taylor hyde gordon and landry along with their top picks and we have browns castoffs as our starters in josh crowell and terrible pryor who was so bad the skins benched him even with most of their wrs hurt and in the playoff hunt

 

 

There is no guarantee we are getting Mayfield, until it happens then you can bitch. 

[bealeb319]

No one knows who the jets will actually take the trade gives them at least two options at qb as opposed to staying at 6 where we would have had a chance to get one. If we stayed at 6 it would have also been much easier for teams to jump a head of us for a qb knowing we have a dire need

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[JetFaninMI]

They had to into the top three to assure that they would be able to get one of the QB's. They may not pick Mayfield but they are now almost guaranteed one of the top rated QB'S will be there. I have no problem with them making the deal and I am glad they did. Now they just have to pick the right guy. That however is something that can and will be debated for a long time.

[Adoni Beast]

Absolutely noway Mayfield would have been at 6. Broncos love him and wouldnhave taken him at 5. Dolphins are enamored with him, and plenty of other teams would have traded up to get him, like the Chargers, Bills, Patriots, and Cardinals.

Not trying to sell you on liking him, but noway he would have been there at 6.

[JiFtheOracle]

I honestly think all the Mayfield talk means, we're not taking Mayfield.  We're taking Josh Allen but thats only because I  dont know a world where the Jets dont inflict pain and misery on their fan base. 

[mrcoops]

How can anyone be certain that a certain player would be there at pick #6 in a draft that hasn't happened yet?

In the event that the Browns shock by going Mayfield at #1, or someone trades up to #2 to take him, will the Jets then get killed for not trading high enough to get him?

QBs are likely to go fast and early. Staying at 6 risked the Jets being shut out, or left with the 4th or 5th guy. 

Now let's see what happens...and hope the guy they pick ends up being a franchise QB.

[Obrien2Toon]

I’m pretty sure they did their homework, and knew whoever it is they want, wouldn’t be there at 6

[#27TheDominator]

6 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

How can anyone be certain that a certain player would be there at pick #6 in a draft that hasn't happened yet?

In the event that the Browns shock by going Mayfield at #1, or someone trades up to #2 to take him, will the Jets then get killed for not trading high enough to get him?

QBs are likely to go fast and early. Staying at 6 risked the Jets being shut out, or left with the 4th or 5th guy. 

Now let's see what happens...and hope the guy they pick ends up being a franchise QB.

If either of those two things happen, the initial spin will be that all this misdirection about Mayfield worked and we got our guy - Rosen/Darnold/Allen at 3.  If that happens, it might be the first time I believe the spin.

[Freemanm]

Draft hasn't happened yet. There's a chance that Darnold could still be on the board, and an even likelier chance that Rosen will be there as well, as I don't think the Giants (barring a draft day trade down) will take a QB

[Long Island Leprechaun]

And tomorrow we will have a thread about how stupid Mac would have been if he had stayed at six and let the Jets be leapfrogged. Bottom line, this fan base can be droningly negative too often. We should actually be celebrating the fact that we will get a potential franchise QB, NO MATTER WHAT anybody else does. After all the churning of opinions literally for months, it should be apparent to anybody who's been paying attention that these four prospects all have virtues and flaws but that each one has the chance to do something special. Beyond that, it's like discussing your favorite flavor of ice cream.

[BCJet]

What a ridiculous line of thinking.

There are numerous scenarios that could have played out with us sitting at 6 and Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen all gone.  Bradley Chubb and Quentin Nelson are excellent prospects and the Colts did an awesome job with what they got for their pick, but we need a QB and absolutely could not risk sitting at 6 with no QB there.

Will the draft play out with one of them available still at 6, its very possible (if I had to bet I would think yes) but it was in no way worth the risk to this franchise to possibly miss out on a QB yet again. Its simple risk/reward and Mac made the right move, now he just needs to pick the right guy

[Jetster]

More pundents have Rosen dropping further than Baker Mayfield. If I could post how many times I've heard "if Baker was 2 inches taller he could be the 1st pick overall", I couldn't fit them all in this post. The NFL has changed drastically and Tom Brady, with his Oline basically holding legally is the last true "pocket passer" you'll see. Sure there are a few more, but QBs that can move around a bit, extend plays are the future. 

Foles was successful because he had the best Oline in football vs a below average front 7 in the Pats. Both Baker & Rosen could work in Bates system, but I believe Baker gets the nod for his movement skills, RPO ability and more muscular build, he's more of a Russell Wilson than Jarod Goff. I'm fine with either one, I just think Baker Mayfield will not be denied. Supreme confidence is necessary for a QB, and I don't think Rosen or Mayfield will be there at 6 where we were before the trade. We'll find out in 1 week.

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, BCJet said:

What a ridiculous line of thinking.

There are numerous scenarios that could have played out with us sitting at 6 and Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen all gone.  Bradley Chubb and Quentin Nelson are excellent prospects and the Colts did an awesome job with what they got for their pick, but we need a QB and absolutely could not risk sitting at 6 with no QB there.

Will the draft play out with one of them available still at 6, its very possible (if I had to bet I would think yes) but it was in no way worth the risk to this franchise to possibly miss out on a QB yet again. Its simple risk/reward and Mac made the right move, now he just needs to pick the right guy

Exactly.  They needed to get one of the top 4 QB's - and "hoping" was not an option.  Mac made a nice a move and didn't cost us next year's 1.

I ultimately do think it's close to 100% all 4 are gone by 6 simply because there are too many teams willing to trade up.

[Patriot Killa]

We traded picks for a guarantee. I’m cool with it. 

 

Move on if you aren’t.

[flgreen]

49 minutes ago, kmnj said:

I said since day one Jets will take Baker.....

Only guy I dont want is Baker.....which you may disagree with

Jets traded up to probably draft Baker a guy that would have been there at their original draft spot-I hope guys that cheered his move will admit it was a wasted move when they pick Baker at 6

I cant even believe we kept Mac around after his Hackenburg (yes fans once again did know better) pick-some how the browns have taylor hyde gordon and landry along with their top picks and we have browns castoffs as our starters in josh crowell and terrible pryor who was so bad the skins benched him even with most of their wrs hurt and in the playoff hunt

 

 

Of course there will be bitching about the draft no matter what happens.

But it won't be anything compared to what would have gone on if the Jets had stayed at 6 and wound up with their dick in their hands, and no QB.  

[nyjunc]

If we didn't move up there's no doubt Buffalo would have.  No one likes to give up picks but they made the right decision, now let's just hope the QB pans out.

[RSJ]

If you want to complain about Baker Flutie after he is picked I have no problem with it. But to guarantee a shot at one of these four QBs they needed to trade up.


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[UntouchableCrew]

I love the "he would have been there at 6" crowd -- for any pick, really. How on earth do you know that?

[RSJ]

The second round is weak this year also.


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[flgreen]

The real screw up was not starting Petty/Hack last year after tearing the roster down.  if they had they would be sitting at 2 with their 3 2nds

[C Mart]

7 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I love the "he would have been there at 6" crowd -- for any pick, really. How on earth do you know that?

No way the best D player in the draft Leonard Williams or JAdams will fall to #6. 

And prepare yourself the next few weeks for the Rich Cimini line he's used and others will copy...Jets "settle" for the 3rd QB. 

[RoadFan]

1 hour ago, kmnj said:

I said since day one Jets will take Baker.....

Only guy I dont want is Baker.....which you may disagree with

Jets traded up to probably draft Baker a guy that would have been there at their original draft spot-I hope guys that cheered his move will admit it was a wasted move when they pick Baker at 6

I cant even believe we kept Mac around after his Hackenburg (yes fans once again did know better) pick-some how the browns have taylor hyde gordon and landry along with their top picks and we have browns castoffs as our starters in josh crowell and terrible pryor who was so bad the skins benched him even with most of their wrs hurt and in the playoff hunt

 

 

You may turn out to be right about Baker being the wrong guy... Also, there is no guarantee that is the guy they will take in spite of all these reports.  The concept "he would have been there at #6 is absurd."  Some experts have him as their #1 ranked QB.

But the decision to trade up was 100% the correct move.  The Jets gave up nothing but a collection of 2nd round picks which history has shown they waste anyway.  The Jets MUST, MUST, MUST get a top QB prospect in this draft.  Sitting at #6 would have been a huge risk... simply too big to chance, especially if the Jets only like two or three out of the big 4 available.  Because they pulled the trigger early, it took the ability of other teams to trade to #3 out of the equation... and also drove up the price on sliding into the #2 and #1 spots for other franchises. It was a calculated an essential move on numerous levels.

[bealeb319]

I love the "he would have been there at 6" crowd -- for any pick, really. How on earth do you know that?

My favorite is the ones who get upset we didn't draft the guy who was taken ahead of us like we had a shot at them.

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[peebag]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

I am outraged because of machinations in my own mind. 

I gave you a trophy for the use of "machinations" on a football board.

[CTJetsFan]

Long time reader, first time posting.

If Macc and our scouts believe the top 3 QBs on their board are close in value, then the trade makes sense. It guarantees them 1 of those 3 (whoever they are). If they sat @ 6, there was no guarantee that any of the top 4 would be there for them.

We can argue that we gave up too much to move up (based on trade value charts). I've seen some people say we "gave up 4 picks" to move up. No, we swapped 1 (6 & 3) and gave up 3 picks (2 2018 2nd rounders and a 2019 2nd rounder). It's been said that future draft picks are the equivalent of a round later this year (so 2019 2nd round pick equals 2018 3rd round pick). Even with that, based on the chart, we overpaid. But as many have said - if it lands us our franchise QB for 10 years, no one will care.

At this point, after reading the ton of stuff out there on these QBs and watching a lot of their games, I'd personally be good with Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. All have warts and none are perfect, but each has some special qualities.

 

[slats]

1 hour ago, kmnj said:

Jets traded up to probably draft Baker a guy that would have been there at their original draft spot-I hope guys that cheered his move will admit it was a wasted move when they pick Baker at 6

Zero guarantee that Baker (or whatever QB they actually do like) is there at #6. 

Two of the top five picks are definitely taking a QB: the Browns, and whoever traded into the #3 spot. Rumors are that the Giants could take Darnold if he's there, or trade out to a team who wants a QB. That's three gone in the first three picks. With Denver sitting at #5 and the Jets at #6 both needing QBs, Cleveland could easily get a bundle for pick #4 from a QB hungry team and -just like that- the big four are gone in the first four picks. 

By trading up to #3 early, the Jets guaranteed themselves a shot at -at least- their choice between two of the top four QBs. Very possibly 3/4 if the Giants neither take a QB nor get a trade offer they're willing to accept. The trade was a smart move that needs to be followed up now with a smart pick. 

[Beerfish]

The original poster is correct the jets had to get into the top 2 to get either Darnold or Rosen, instead they are suddenly elevating other QBs to try and justify that they are good value at #3.  They are not.

This is the Gabbert, Bortles, Ponder, Locker theme of guys being elevated due to desperate need.

The Jets have to hope one of the 1st two teams does not take Darnold or Rosen.  You don't trade 3 picks to hope that happens.

I'd rather have Allen than mayfield and i am no big fan of allen.

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

The original poster is correct the jets had to get into the top 2 to get either Darnold or Rosen, instead they are suddenly elevating other QBs to try and justify that they are good value at #3.  They are not.

This is the Gabbert, Bortles, Ponder, Locker theme of guys being elevated due to desperate need.

The Jets have to hope one of the 1st two teams does not take Darnold or Rosen.  You don't trade 3 picks to hope that happens.

I'd rather have Allen than mayfield and i am no big fan of allen.

Agreed 100000%.  The hype around Mayfield has become beyond comical at this point.  

[shuler82]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The original poster is correct the jets had to get into the top 2 to get either Darnold or Rosen, instead they are suddenly elevating other QBs to try and justify that they are good value at #3.  They are Not.

So it’s the JETS who are hyping Baker in an attempt to justify their trade up. Got it