TuscanyTile2 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (I heard this on WFAN today and I think it’s an interesting question): If Cleveland passes on Darnold (let’s say they take Allen), will the Giants feel pressure to draft him so as to not risk having a legacy of allowing the Jets to potentially get a star QB? I actually think there could be something to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I don't think that's very legitimate. I mean there's 3 other Franchise guys out there that could be a star for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: (I heard this on WFAN today and I think it’s an interesting question): If Cleveland passes on Darnold (let’s say they take Allen), will the Giants feel pressure to draft him so as to not risk having a legacy of allowing the Jets to potentially get a star QB? I actually think there could be something to this. Darnold? The Giants have obviously not read this site, which has crowned Mayfield the best QB in the draft. If they're correct, we should be worried about the Giants going for Baker, not Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I think the only "pressure" the Giants could possible feel/felt would have been if they traded the #2 to the Jets and we picked a guy who turns out to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 No team is drafting a guy to keep him away from another team. I don't even think in-division rivals would consider that. You could trade the pick to another team that would take the guy in question, but you don't draft a player you don't want/need for that. Gettleman's one and only job is to make his team the best it can be. I'm pretty confident that keeping a specific player away from an AFC team at the cost of his own team's development is not on his to-do list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I highly doubt it. If that's true, then 1) the Giants brass is truly petty, and 2) do you think they're willing to sacrifice a piece of their future by wasting the #2 pick just to spite us? That would seem pretty foolish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 You can’t run a franchise that way, you just do what’s best for your franchise, not what might help or hurt another. It usually backfires anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Would you be concerned what your red headed step brother is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: (I heard this on WFAN today and I think it’s an interesting question): If Cleveland passes on Darnold (let’s say they take Allen), will the Giants feel pressure to draft him so as to not risk having a legacy of allowing the Jets to potentially get a star QB? I actually think there could be something to this. Here's how I feel about the Giants: I rooted for the Pats to beat them, okay? That said, I seriously doubt anything about a looming Jets pick will influence who they take at #2. They're in a great spot. And, frankly, so are we. My crystal ball is usually hazy and impossible to read - but right now I am seeing some broken hearts picking #'s 5, 6, 7, & 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 If Browns go Allen Giants go Barkely and laugh like crazy while passing the poison pills to the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I don't think it's specifically about Darnold. But I think passing on a QB and having the Jets land one could be a massive blunder for them. Regardless I still think the Giants take Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Tin foil hats all around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 0 reason for the Browns to pass on Barkley at 1. Take Barkley and force the Giants to make a decision. At 4 they’ll still have their choice of 2 of either Rosen, Allen, Darnold or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, kdels62 said: 0 reason for the Browns to pass on Barkley at 1. Take Barkley and force the Giants to make a decision. At 4 they’ll still have their choice of 2 of either Rosen, Allen, Darnold or Mayfield. Well there's the obvious reason of "these QBs aren't all equal and picking the one who's going to be good instead of one who's going to suck is extremely important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: Well there's the obvious reason of "these QBs aren't all equal and picking the one who's going to be good instead of one who's going to suck is extremely important." If you’re announcing that the 1st overall pick is available then you’re not sold on any of them being something greater than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, nycdan said: No team is drafting a guy to keep him away from another team. I don't even think in-division rivals would consider that. You could trade the pick to another team that would take the guy in question, but you don't draft a player you don't want/need for that. Gettleman's one and only job is to make his team the best it can be. I'm pretty confident that keeping a specific player away from an AFC team at the cost of his own team's development is not on his to-do list. Paging Vernon Gholston, Mr Gholston would you please pick up the nearest courtesy phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: If you’re announcing that the 1st overall pick is available then you’re not sold on any of them being something greater than the others. It's not available. If it was we would have traded for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: It's not available. If it was we would have traded for it. Look down a few threads and you’ll see why I wrote what I wrote. If there’s any truth to them considering a trade for the #1 then they should just ignore the “experts” and take Barkley. If their QB board goes Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, they’ll probably land Allen at 4 regardless of what the Giants do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: If Browns go Allen Giants go Barkely and laugh like crazy while passing the poison pills to the Jets Do not compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: (I heard this on WFAN today and I think it’s an interesting question): If Cleveland passes on Darnold (let’s say they take Allen), will the Giants feel pressure to draft him so as to not risk having a legacy of allowing the Jets to potentially get a star QB? I actually think there could be something to this. I wouldn't put anything past anyone at this stage of the draft game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I sure hope they do because that'll mean they're running their franchise like the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 They should draft Darnold because Eli is a declining, mediocre QB, and you don't get a chance at a franchise QB everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 If they did, that would make them the dumbest organization in sports. Who drafts so that the team that also plays in their backyard doesn't get a player. When the teams don't compete. This is what happens when you start threads off of what a caller asks on WFAN, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 We will know soon enough what the Giants are thinking. I think what they do will say all we need to know. It may not be worth even listening to them. Could they draft a QB, use the rest of their picks for new blood, and then compete with what they have in 2018? Yes, but it will not be as impactful without either a boatload of other picks or a new RB. I think with multiple first and second round picks the Giants could be very competitive this year. Could basically draft OL, EDGE (Landry?) and RB (Michel/Guice?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 They'll be doing us a favor if they take him before we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: (I heard this on WFAN today and I think it’s an interesting question): If Cleveland passes on Darnold (let’s say they take Allen), will the Giants feel pressure to draft him so as to not risk having a legacy of allowing the Jets to potentially get a star QB? I actually think there could be something to this. If giants take darnold they will be picking in top 5 again next yr. darnold will sit a yr with them, thus forfeiting immediate help from a non qb Star they desperately need in many areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 hours ago, nycdan said: No team is drafting a guy to keep him away from another team. I don't even think in-division rivals would consider that. You could trade the pick to another team that would take the guy in question, but you don't draft a player you don't want/need for that. Gettleman's one and only job is to make his team the best it can be. I'm pretty confident that keeping a specific player away from an AFC team at the cost of his own team's development is not on his to-do list. This. And if there was some type of fear of little brother getting the next start QB, wouldnt it be more of just salt in the wound from the egg on your face for passing on the next start QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 59 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: If they did, that would make them the dumbest organization in sports. Who drafts so that the team that also plays in their backyard doesn't get a player. When the teams don't compete. This is what happens when you start threads off of what a caller asks on WFAN, LOL If it means nothing then how come everyone says the Giants would never trade with the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: If giants take darnold they will be picking in top 5 again next yr. darnold will sit a yr with them, thus forfeiting immediate help from a non qb Star they desperately need in many areas. Theyd also have picked the best QB in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: If it means nothing then how come everyone says the Giants would never trade with the Jets? Because that's two different things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: (I heard this on WFAN today and I think it’s an interesting question): If Cleveland passes on Darnold (let’s say they take Allen), will the Giants feel pressure to draft him so as to not risk having a legacy of allowing the Jets to potentially get a star QB? I actually think there could be something to this. No. The Giants will feel pressure to draft Darnold because their own QB is old and clearly on the downside of his career. The Giants will feel pressure to draft Darnold because teams like the Giants are rarely in possession of the 2nd pick in a QB rich draft. The Giants will feel pressure, perhaps, if their roster of backups really isn't as good as Giant Homers like to think they are. Perhaps somewhere deep inside, Giants Ownership might like to **** the Jets. It's not their priority. NFL teams don't use the #2 overall pick primarily to screw their in-city neighbor/sorta rival. If the Giants pick Darnold, it'll be because they like and want Darnold. Not because they want to screw the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, Jet Nut said: Because that's two different things? Decisions made based on a team that also plays in your backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Theyd also have picked the best QB in the draft Maybe. Time will tell.. But if they take darnold they are admitting they are not looking to compete this yr. Their roster is not that strong so maybe they do swallow their pride and give up this yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: Decisions made based on a team that also plays in your backyard. Its two completely different things. You don't want to trade with each other and be the team that possibly gets the short end of the stick in a deal. Drafting a player you don't want or need to keep him away from the Jets would accomplish nothing other than make you look stupid for making a pick like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: Maybe. Time will tell.. But if they take darnold they are admitting they are not looking to compete this yr. Their roster is not that strong so maybe they do swallow their pride and give up this yr. Why? Because Darnold isn't ready? How does that work? He and Rosen come from the most NFL ready offense. He'll play, don't know how many games winless teams should expect to win lead by a rookie QB, no matter what his name is though. I think they're thinking more long term anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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