Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, greenwave81 said: That's my point as well I suppose...I understand the concerns with Allen, I just feel people here are WAY to quick to discount him as a viable option as an NFL QB...and a lot of that is because of #'s put up at WYO of all places. The hard part is separating out what is intrinsic to Allen himself and what can reasonable be attributed to some degree to his football situation. Part of me also asks, 'what would the other top QB's stats look like if they had played at WYO last year?' An equally valid question: Why couldn't he complete 60+ % against Mountain West defenses? That argument should cut both ways, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, long suffering jets fan said: I'm glad to hear someone on this board will be positive. Most that I see posting will hate whoever we pick. Some people just love to be miserable. No, people just hate losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Project QB with accuracy problems, who had every excuse in the book made for them. Hackenburg was a 2nd round draft pick that was over drafted - most had as a 3rd or 4th round prospect. Allen is considered by almost everyone a top 5 talent - with many having him 1 overall. They are so different that this arguement is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 No, people just hate losing. We both can agree here.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: Hackenburg was a 2nd round draft pick that was over drafted - most had as a 3rd or 4th round prospect. Allen is considered by almost everyone a top 5 talent - with many having him 1 overall. They are so different that this arguement is ridiculous. Who cares? I'm tired of making "consensus" picks. Jamal Adams was supposed to be a top 5 talent. If we traded him today, we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: No, people just hate losing. You know better than I do that even if we win, there'll be some miserable posters who will find a way to nit pick it till it's a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Who cares? I'm tired of making "consensus" picks. Jamal Adams was supposed to be a top 5 talent. If we traded him today, we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him. Really? We got a second for Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Who cares? I'm tired of making "consensus" picks. Jamal Adams was supposed to be a top 5 talent. If we traded him today, we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him. it's simply for the purposes of comparisons you're trying to make - making a comparision of two people they have to be considered similar talents - they weren't. just being tall and having a low completion % isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, long suffering jets fan said: You know better than I do that even if we win, there'll be some miserable posters who will find a way to nit pick it till it's a negative. Sure, but this idea that we'll hate whichever QB we draft, even if he's successful, we'll be miserable. If we take Josh Allen and he ends up proving me wrong, I'll be ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Hackenburg was a 2nd round draft pick that was over drafted - most had as a 3rd or 4th round prospect. Allen is considered by almost everyone a top 5 talent - with many having him 1 overall. They are so different that this arguement is ridiculous. They really aren't. They were both bad college football players who were overrated based on physical characteristics rather than any kind of track record of success. They both have rocket arms but throw six yard swings passes into the dirt. Josh Allen hasn't been a good quarterback at any level. Drafting him is a shot in the dark that Jeremy Bates can take his skills and translate them into success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Who cares? I'm tired of making "consensus" picks. Jamal Adams was supposed to be a top 5 talent. If we traded him today, we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him. simply wrong - and Jamal Adams, by almost everyone other than Jet Nation posters - agree he had a solid rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: An equally valid question: Why couldn't he complete 60+ % against Mountain West defenses? That argument should cut both ways, no? Not really...because he was still in the same system with the same receivers. Listen...Allen is #3 on my board..I'd rather have Darnold or Rosen personally... But if I have a choice between Baker or Allen, I'm taking Allen..purely on the upside potential and because I think Baker and Allen both have 'high bust' potential. Sure, maybe Mayfield sticks around like Chase Daniel as a long-term backup, but I ain't looking for that at #3. Just amazed at the severe hate for a potential pick of Allen at #3..sure, maybe you, like me, want someone else, but I don't hate on Allen. I'd still be hopeful and excited if he's the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, FidelioJet said: simply wrong - and Jamal Adams, by almost everyone other than Jet Nation posters - agree he had a solid rookie season. Not a top 10 pick-worthy season, and not a smart top pick for the longterm either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, RSJ said: So where there is a correlation there is causation? Because if so take a look at the past few high percentage QBs to play for OU. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Are you talking Landry and White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Sure, but this idea that we'll hate whichever QB we draft, even if he's successful, we'll be miserable. If we take Josh Allen and he ends up proving me wrong, I'll be ecstatic. There will still be people who won't be happy, even if we win a Super Bowl. Glad to hear you're not in that population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: Really? We got a second for Sheldon. So getting a late-2nd out of a mid-1st = win? It helped us get up to # 3, so it worked out fairly well. But there was a time Sheldon was supposed to be our best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Jay Cutler had about the same completion percentage playing in a similar situation as Allen in college Cutler played in the toughest conference in CFB, Allen played at Walk On U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: There will still be people who won't be happy, even if we win a Super Bowl. Glad to hear you're not in that population. We haven't won one since 1969, so it's hard to make that argument. There weren't message boards then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: An equally valid question: Why couldn't he complete 60+ % against Mountain West defenses? That argument should cut both ways, no? What was his number in conference play? Please post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Josh Allen discussing his inaccuracy is like T0mShane discussing his erectile dysfunction theres always an excuse. @T0mShane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: They really aren't. They were both bad college football players who were overrated based on physical characteristics rather than any kind of track record of success. They both have rocket arms but throw six yard swings passes into the dirt. Josh Allen hasn't been a good quarterback at any level. Drafting him is a shot in the dark that Jeremy Bates can take his skills and translate them into success. Go back and watch the combine and compare Rosen vs. Allen on swing passes. Rosen was miserable and Allen rock solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, long suffering jets fan said: Go back and watch the combine and compare Rosen vs. Allen on swing passes. Rosen was miserable and Allen rock solid. I think years worth of game footage is more valuable than an exhibition in shorts and t-shirts, but put stock in what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: We haven't won one since 1969, so it's hard to make that argument. There weren't message boards then. Miserable people were around long before 69. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: What does Hackenburg have to do with Allen? Jordan Palmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: What was his number in conference play? Please post? 38.9 55.6 69.2 58.1 61.5 45.2 51.6 64.3 45.2 53.1 69.2 44.4 57.1 50.0 72.7 5/15 games where he completed 60+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkett2112 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: They really aren't. They were both bad college football players who were overrated based on physical characteristics rather than any kind of track record of success. They both have rocket arms but throw six yard swings passes into the dirt. Josh Allen hasn't been a good quarterback at any level. Drafting him is a shot in the dark that Jeremy Bates can take his skills and translate them into success. As a PSU fan who watched every Hack snap I can tell you they are wildly similar. Allen is just in a bigger shinier box. Dont forget before his last year at Penn State there were still people saying he had the potential to go first overall. They both make bad decisions. They both have horrendous footwork, low completion percentage and poor offensive output in general, both missed simple throws with lazy mechanics. Lastly and most importantly both were completely lost when under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I think I’m just going to put myself into a medically induced coma until Thursday night. Beating the same dead horses over and over again everyday for a month now. Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield...I don’t really give a sh*t. Just pick one so I can at least have some kind of hope for the future of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I think years worth of game footage is more valuable than an exhibition in shorts and t-shirts, but put stock in what you want. Then why bother having a combine and why is it such a big deal. Professional evaluators see value in it, that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: Cutler played in the toughest conference in CFB, Allen played at Walk On U. Cutler did play in the toughest conference in CFB...along with team mates that were similarly recruited to play in that conference. WYO playing OR, IA and NE would be kinda like VAN playing an extra 3 games each season against AL (most of them in Tuscaloosa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Josh Allen discussing his inaccuracy is like T0mShane discussing his erectile dysfunction theres always an excuse. @T0mShane You guys must be real close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, long suffering jets fan said: Then why bother having a combine and why is it such a big deal. Professional evaluators see value in it, that's why. It's a good question since it's been proven time and time again to be useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 38.9 55.6 69.2 58.1 61.5 45.2 51.6 64.3 45.2 53.1 69.2 44.4 57.1 50.0 72.7 5/15 games where he completed 60+ What were the 5 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: You guys must be real close. We're a million miles away from each other, so go right ahead you can have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: What were the 5 games? @ Nevada, Utah St, @ New Mexico, @ Utah St, @ Air Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I think I’m just going to put myself into a medically induced coma until Thursday night. Beating the same dead horses over and over again everyday for a month now. Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield...I don’t really give a sh*t. Just pick one so I can at least have some kind of hope for the future of this team. eh...it's all in good fun at this point! We're going to have a shiny new QB in less than 100 hours! I'll be all in on any of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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