Patriot Killa Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Personally I would be absolutely fine with any of the following three... Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield. Who here would have an issue winding up with any of these three guys? If so..why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Personally I would be absolutely fine with any of the following three... Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield. Who here would have an issue winding up with any of these three guys? If so..why? Are you asking a real question, or do you just want more Philc posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I feel the same way. Ok with any of those 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, TeddEY said: Are you asking a real question, or do you just want more Philc posts? I want to witness full Philc domination and this is his lane opening. No, this is really to see who isn’t okay any of the following three on Thursday. We know who is fans of who, individually. I’m trying to see who is fine with the other guys if their guy isn’t picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Even Allen, who I like the least, has so much upside....let's be honest none of us know, it's best guesses. A big part of me is just happy it's a QB and the rest will just workout based on percentages of Blind squirreling it for once. Although accuracy is key in a west coast style O so I really don't think Allen is in play anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I’m okay with those 3. I’d be ecstatic with Mayfield or Rosen. Darnold is a bit less excitement because he’s a bigger project than the other 2 and I feel like he’s less likely to start this season than Mayfield and Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSage Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 would be nervous about Rosen and his injury history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Even Allen, who I like the least, has so much upside....let's be honest none of us know, it's best guesses. A big part of me is just happy it's a QB and the rest will just workout based on percentages of Blind squirreling it for once. Although accuracy is key in a west coast style O so I really don't think Allen is in play anyway. Allen and Jackson are probably the only two I’m not okay with. I want the Jets to pick Rosen or Baker but am quickly finding myself completely fine with Darnold if he happens to slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Personally I would be absolutely fine with any of the following three... Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield. Who here would have an issue winding up with any of these three guys? If so..why? I don't want Mayfield. My wish list is Rosen #1, Darnold #2, Allen #3 and Mayfield #4. Simply put my main concerns with Mayfield are: 1. The system he came from at OU not translating to the NFL. I don't care who our O-coordinator or QB coach is. 2. His height and small hands. This doesn't always matter. But it is a bit of a concern, especially considering #3 below. 3. He had weapons all over the field, a great O-line and played against bad defenses. I think the Mayfield we saw in college WILL NOT be the Mayfiled we see in the NFL once he has to throw over and see over bigger linemen, once he has to deal with bigger, faster more athletic defenders in his face because the O-line isn't dominating like it did at OU, once he has to adjust to a different PRO system where he has to stay in the pocket more, under center more and go through progressions more. He'll still be a great leader, accurate and elusive but it will simply not translate the same way. I think he will constantly be on the run and under pressure. I think he will be over-whelmed. I'm not saying he won't succeed, he may, but these are my concerns and why I would opt for Rosen or Darnold. Rosen over Darnold because he is the better passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I will be very excited with any of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The basis of the trade, giving up 3 second round picks, 2 of them in a draft where the second round is very deep, to move up from 6 to 3 is that none of those three QBs will be available at 6. I believe that I think Allen will be the one who drops to 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, PepPep said: I don't want Mayfield. My wish list is Rosen #1, Darnold #2, Allen #3 and Mayfield #4. Simply put my main concerns with Mayfield are: 1. The system he came from at OU not translating to the NFL. I don't care who our O-coordinator or QB coach is. 2. His height and small hands. This doesn't always matter. But it is a bit of a concern, especially considering #3 below. 3. He had weapons all over the field, a great O-line and played against bad defenses. I think the Mayfield we saw in college WILL NOT be the Mayfiled we see in the NFL once he has to throw over and see over bigger linemen, once he has to deal with bigger, faster more athletic defenders in his face because the O-line isn't dominating like it did at OU, once he has to adjust to a different PRO system where he has to stay in the pocket more, under center more and go through progressions more. He'll still be a great leader, accurate and elusive but it will simply not translate the same way. I think he will constantly be on the run and under pressure. I think he will be over-whelmed. I'm not saying he won't succeed, he may, but these are my concerns and why I would opt for Rosen or Darnold. Rosen over Darnold because he is the better passer. Fair enough, my guy. I love Baker but this is a good post as far as supporting your personal opinion goes. Well said.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I voted no. I think Darnold needs a major overhaul of his mechanics and is turnover prone. I want no part of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, varjet said: The basis of the trade, giving up 3 second round picks, 2 of them in a draft where the second round is very deep, to move up from 6 to 3 is that none of those three QBs will be available at 6. I believe that I think Allen will be the one who drops to 6. i agree. assuming the browns don't take him he's set to fall. i don't think elway will take him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Allen and Jackson are probably the only two I’m not okay with. I want the Jets to pick Rosen or Baker but am quickly finding myself completely fine with Darnold if he happens to slip. Yeah same here. I'll get behind whoever. Just get it right for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Honestly I'm worried the next time Rosen gets his bell rung we could be flashing back to the "I'm Batman," Jets QB commercial from years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, jetswin said: Honestly I'm worried the next time Rosen gets his bell rung we could be flashing back to the "I'm Batman," Jets QB commercial from years ago I agree that his injuries are kinda scary..but as talented as he is..I don’t think I would let that stop me from taking him if I was the GM and I really liked him. I’ve said it a bunch during this draft process and I continue on with it ...Jets will look like fools if they take him and he gets injured a bunch..Jets will look like fools if they don’t take him and he winds up being relatively healthy and is a FQB. So all in all..if you like him the best..just take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheSage said: would be nervous about Rosen and his injury history I think it is a little bit overblown. His shoulder is absolutely fine right now and has been through his last season at UCLA. It was a soft tissue surgery that went really well and he recovered from really well. Sure, he could re-injure it. But I don;t think it nec. means anything b/c any QB can get injured at any moment in the NFL, you can't really gauge that at this point. He's not nec. 'fragile' or 'injury prone', the history to suggest that is simply not there. The concussion he had is not a good sign. But Mayfield and Darnold both had concussions as well. I would not be surprised if Allen had one at some point. It's almost par for the course with football players these days- well, more so everyone KNOWING about them, not like they weren't a regular occurrence for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Yes I’ll be more than content as long as we land one of the Top 4. And since that’s virtually guaranteed, I should be pleased as punch come Thursday night. We’re getting a young, talented QB anyway you want to slice it. That’s all I can really ask for. Just have to hope that whoever we take pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Should just be thankful to draft offense for once in forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'm fine with any of the top 4 QBs really. I WANT Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. I'd moan and groan at Allen being picked over one of those 3, but would still be fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Give me anyone of the 4 or Jackson and Rudolph and I think I'd be happy to varying levels of degree for each QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 And if you ARE OK with drafting any of the three, please direct your comments to the I'm Fine thread. Remember, this is the NOT fine thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deucebag Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I hope I am wrong but IMHO the only franchise QB out of those 3 (or 4 incl Allen) is Darnold. Allen, Rosen and Mayfield scream epic fails to me. If I were GM and Darnold isnt there at 3, I would trade down for a haul (bigger than 3 #2s) and I would be thrilled to grab Lauletta, Rudolph or Faulk in Round 2/3. The hype over Rosen, Mayfield and Allen has been criminal. Reality is Maccagnan is forced to grab a QB due to the trade up to 3 and we will be stuck with years of mediocrity with either Rosen or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I am not a big Darnold fan, but I acknowledge my opinion/analysis could be completely off base. I just want some fresh blood and a glimmer of hope at the position, all 3 give that, so any of them will be fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Uh ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, PepPep said: I don't want Mayfield. My wish list is Rosen #1, Darnold #2, Allen #3 and Mayfield #4. Simply put my main concerns with Mayfield are: 1. The system he came from at OU not translating to the NFL. I don't care who our O-coordinator or QB coach is. 2. His height and small hands. This doesn't always matter. But it is a bit of a concern, especially considering #3 below. 3. He had weapons all over the field, a great O-line and played against bad defenses. I think the Mayfield we saw in college WILL NOT be the Mayfiled we see in the NFL once he has to throw over and see over bigger linemen, once he has to deal with bigger, faster more athletic defenders in his face because the O-line isn't dominating like it did at OU, once he has to adjust to a different PRO system where he has to stay in the pocket more, under center more and go through progressions more. He'll still be a great leader, accurate and elusive but it will simply not translate the same way. I think he will constantly be on the run and under pressure. I think he will be over-whelmed. I'm not saying he won't succeed, he may, but these are my concerns and why I would opt for Rosen or Darnold. Rosen over Darnold because he is the better passer. Yeah, combine that with not being an ultra athlete nor with an ultra arm, I can also very easily see it not panning out for Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 i don't want rosen and that's who i think mccagnan is going to push for and ultimately get his way. rosen seems like a better version of pennington, where you get a decent pocket passer with an ok arm, limited mobility who doesn't throw well on the run who is injury prone. he'll always need a clean pocket or it will fall apart. i would rather have mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Allen and Jackson are probably the only two I’m not okay with. I want the Jets to pick Rosen or Baker but am quickly finding myself completely fine with Darnold if he happens to slip. I also don't think either Allen or Jackson fit the offense, Lauletta does however. So does Falk....wondering out loud if moving up ends up making sense, as you could have gotten either of those guys in the 2-3 rounds. But I'm also just second guessing everything now too. I agree w OP it's one of Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen at this point. Fingers crossed FML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfansince7 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Even Allen, who I like the least, has so much upside....let's be honest none of us know, it's best guesses. A big part of me is just happy it's a QB and the rest will just workout based on percentages of Blind squirreling it for once. Although accuracy is key in a west coast style O so I really don't think Allen is in play anyway.My angst comes from talking about upside. I need nowside. That will let me sleep at night. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 We don't get a pick, so we'll have to be "good with it". What is the alternative, quit being a fan? If the pick sucks after a year or two, we'll all call it out (except the usual homer suspects of course). What else can we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i don't want rosen and that's who i think mccagnan is going to push for and ultimately get his way. rosen seems like a better version of pennington, where you get a decent pocket passer with an ok arm, limited mobility who doesn't throw well on the run who is injury prone. he'll always need a clean pocket or it will fall apart. i would rather have mayfield. The idea Rosen has just an ok arm is weird. It's pretty much Peyton Manning's not Pennington's as far as strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: I also don't think either Allen or Jackson fit the offense, Lauletta does however. So does Falk....wondering out loud if moving up ends up making sense, as you could have gotten either of those guys in the 2-3 rounds. But I'm also just second guessing everything now too. I agree w OP it's one of Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen at this point. Fingers crossed FML My bold prediction is that the Patriots use their last pick in the 1st round to take Lauletta. Falk im not super high on tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: The idea Rosen has just an ok arm is weird. It's pretty much Peyton Manning's not Pennington's as far as strength. it's not bad, but nothing special and you're already talking about a guy who had surgery on his throwing shoulder who is not a particularly mobile qb. it's just a bad combination and i think rosen is getting too much love based on his reputation from being the top high school qb prospect. rosen is ok, he's boring, he won't wow, he won't suck. he is a reflection of mccagnan himself and that's why i think he will push for him, whereas i can see bates and chris johnson preferring mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: Personally I would be absolutely fine with any of the following three... Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield. Who here would have an issue winding up with any of these three guys? If so..why? No to Darnold...yes to pretty much anyone else. I still can’t fathom the Darnold hype but then i’m Assuming I know nothing and that he’s clearly a franchise QB and will be a great one. I tell you what though he’s about the ugliest QB to watch since Bernie Kosar. As an asthete i’m repulsed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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