PFF Scouting Reports: Quarterbacks.

[Villain The Foe]

These were all released today by PFF. The videos are in order of their release by PFF. 

Baker Mayfield 

Sam Darnold

Lamar Jackson

Josh Allen

Mason Rudolph

Josh Rosen

 

[section314]

I think I saw it on CBS sports last night....they had Rudolph as #1 QB and Lamar Jackson as #2.   Thank goodness only 1 more day of this!

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

I think I saw it on CBS sports last night....they had Rudolph as #1 QB and Lamar Jackson as #2.   Thank goodness only 1 more day of this!

You didn't see this then. 

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

You didn't see this then. 

I may have confused you....It was the CBS rankings, not PFF. I guess the PFF rankings are in the order you posted the pictures?

[bitonti]

from the PFF Overall top 250 

1 - Baker Mayfield

2 - Sam Darnold

6 - Josh Rosen

19 - Lamar Jackson

25 - Mason Rudolph 

35 - Josh Allen 

47 - Kyle Lauletta

80 - Mike White 

189 - Luke Falk 

190 - Logan Woodside 

[section314]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

from the PFF Overall top 250 

1 - Baker Mayfield

2 - Sam Darnold

6 - Josh Rosen

19 - Lamar Jackson

25 - Mason Rudolph 

35 - Josh Allen 

47 - Kyle Lauletta

80 - Mike White 

189 - Luke Falk 

190 - Logan Woodside 

Bit....who are their 3-5     Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, maybe not hat order?

[Bruce Harper]

In before Philc midget reference.

[Patriot Killa]

In before Philc’s mayfield has alcoholic problems after one and only one incident reference.

[Villain The Foe]

10 minutes ago, section314 said:

I may have confused you....It was the CBS rankings, not PFF. I guess the PFF rankings are in the order you posted the pictures?

No, the order of the videos are solely the order in which the videos were released, not the order of their favourite QB's. 

[section314]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

No, the order or the videos are solely the order in which the videos were released, not the order of their favourite QB's. 

Tnx....saw what Bit just posted.

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, section314 said:

Tnx....saw what Bit just posted.

Cool!  

[burkett2112]

Watching that Josh Allen video got me mad about the Hack pick all over again.  Are we really allowing the guy who traded UP for Christian Hackenberg make this decision?

[Bruce Harper]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

No, the order of the videos are solely the order in which the videos were released, not the order of their favourite QB's. 

Although they do seem to prefer Mayfield.

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, burkett2112 said:

Watching that Josh Allen video got me mad about the Hack pick all over again.  Are we really allowing the guy who traded UP for Christian Hackenberg make this decision?

You act like we have the ability to not allow it..?

LOL.

[Untouchable]

5 minutes ago, burkett2112 said:

Watching that Josh Allen video got me mad about the Hack pick all over again.  Are we really allowing the guy who traded UP for Christian Hackenberg make this decision?

Macc didn’t trade up for Hackenberg.

He moved up to the top of the 4th for Petty.

[Villain The Foe]

37 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Although they do seem to prefer Mayfield.

I think they do given the grades that he's produced. Thats the purpose of PFF. 

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

I think they do given the grades that he's produced. Thats the purpose of PFF. 

PFF also works off of production more than anything and that is a big reason why Baker is #1.

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

PFF also works off of production more than anything and that is a big reason why Baker is #1.

Precisely. 

[jetsons]

58 minutes ago, bitonti said:

from the PFF Overall top 250 

1 - Baker Mayfield

2 - Sam Darnold

6 - Josh Rosen

19 - Lamar Jackson

25 - Mason Rudolph 

35 - Josh Allen 

47 - Kyle Lauletta

80 - Mike White 

189 - Luke Falk 

190 - Logan Woodside 

Sounds about right.

[Villain The Foe]

48 minutes ago, burkett2112 said:

Watching that Josh Allen video got me mad about the Hack pick all over again.  Are we really allowing the guy who traded UP for Christian Hackenberg make this decision?

To know that PFF called Hackenberg an "undraftable prospect" and then to know that Macc jumped out the window to draft him only to see the result is hilarious, and it does lend some credibility to their work (PFF). 

I remember that the majority of this site was PISSED when we picked Hack. Some folks then got sucked in by that infamous Brett Hollman video that actually had folks believing that we actually got a steal. 

 

[bitonti]

53 minutes ago, section314 said:

Bit....who are their 3-5     Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, maybe not hat order?

Ok so they have Maurice Hurst at 3. This guy has a 27 sparq and a heart condition. They have Jamarco Jones at 32 that POS (1.2 sparq) is just lucky that Orlando Brown is in the draft (4.2 SPARQ, 85th on the PFF list). 

I struggle to put any of these in my top 100. the PFF rankings have unique takes but some are just bad ones. 

let me also say Calvin Ridley's 7.7 Sparq score grosses me out as does Chukwuma Okorafor's 9.1 but both probably go top 100 on film.  their full list found on reddit

 

 

and here's the sparqs

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

To know that PFF called Hackenberg an "undraftable prospect" and then to know that Macc jumped out the window to draft him only to see the result is hilarious, and it does lend some credibility to their work. 

I remember that the majority of this site was PISSED when we picked Hack. Some folks then got sucked in by that infamous Brett Hollman video that actually had folks believing that we actually got a steal. 

 

in an odd way the whole hack disaster may wind up leading to us getting a real qb.  b/c if hack hadn't been as much of a bust, let's say he was ok but clearly not a starting qb, then i could see mccagnan taking josh allen and trying it all again.  

i think the trade to 3 was basically an admission that he needed to change his philosophy in evaluating qbs, that he didn't want to get stuck with allen or jackson.  the stars seem very aligned that the jets wind up with josh rosen.

[CTJetsFan]

Good stuff. Thanks for posting!

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Ok so they have Maurice Hurst at 3. This guy has a 27 sparq and a heart condition. They have Jamarco Jones at 32 that POS (1.2 sparq) is just lucky that Orlando Brown is in the draft (4.2 SPARQ, 85th on the PFF list). 

I struggle to put any of these in my top 100. the PFF rankings have unique takes but some are just bad ones. 

let me also say Calvin Ridley's 7.7 Sparq score grosses me out as does Chukwuma Okorafor's 9.1 but both probably go top 100 on film.  their full list found on reddit

 

 

and here's the sparqs

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/

I don’t buy the Calvin Ridley hype. I think his brother will be far better when it’s his time to come out of college but as of now I have at least 5 WR’s that I would take over him.

[bitonti]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

in an odd way the whole hack disaster may wind up leading to us getting a real qb.  b/c if hack hadn't been as much of a bust, let's say he was ok but clearly not a starting qb, then i could see mccagnan taking josh allen and trying it all again.  

i think the trade to 3 was basically an admission that he needed to change his philosophy in evaluating qbs, that he didn't want to get stuck with allen or jackson.  the stars seem very aligned that the jets wind up with josh rosen.

I do agree that the fans will take to Rosen faster than Allen and also agree that Mac/Bowles lack the expertise and the credibility to take Josh Allen and make it work. 

even If the Jets board is really 3 QB deep that 3rd QB will be seen a desperation move, whoever it is 

If John Elway at 5 takes him it's some sort of genius move. Or if belly trades up for Josh Allen it will be presented very differently than if the Jets take him and sit him for a year and half while Rome burns. 

Really no one knows the future or what's going to happen in 48 hours. All of this assumes Baker Mayfield is off the board.

The way this franchise is set up, Josh Allen actually buys Mac time and let's not forget the man makes every decision as a job preserving move. 

Josh Allen might eventually get Mac fired but it's a pick all these guys make and live to fight another day. Look at Tanny running Miami after Vernon Gholston. No one gets blackballed for taking the rarest talent it's a mistake they all make and it's what Pro GM's do.  

meanwhile Josh Rosen could get Mac fired over Instagram.  Whoever Mac picks he has to trust with his job. 

 

[HessStation]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

from the PFF Overall top 250 

1 - Baker Mayfield

2 - Sam Darnold

6 - Josh Rosen

19 - Lamar Jackson

25 - Mason Rudolph 

35 - Josh Allen 

47 - Kyle Lauletta

80 - Mike White 

189 - Luke Falk 

190 - Logan Woodside 

Lauletta will be the surprise and Rudolph will get overdrafted. 

[burkett2112]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

I do agree that the fans will take to Rosen faster than Allen and also agree that Mac/Bowles lack the expertise and the credibility to take Josh Allen and make it work. 

even If the Jets board is really 3 QB deep that 3rd QB will be seen a desperation move, whoever it is 

If John Elway at 5 takes him it's some sort of genius move. Or if belly trades up for Josh Allen it will be presented very differently than if the Jets take him and sit him for a year and half while Rome burns. 

Really no one knows the future or what's going to happen in 48 hours. All of this assumes Baker Mayfield is off the board.

The way this franchise is set up, Josh Allen actually buys Mac time and let's not forget the man makes every decision as a job preserving move. 

Josh Allen might eventually get Mac fired but it's a pick all these guys make and live to fight another day. Look at Tanny running Miami after Vernon Gholston. No one gets blackballed for taking the rarest talent it's a mistake they all make and it's what Pro GM's do.  

meanwhile Josh Rosen could get Mac fired over Instagram.  Whoever Mac picks he has to trust with his job. 

 

Josh Allen is going to get an organization full of people fired.  We'll find out who on Thursday.  

I would also argue that I'm not so sure Allen buys him time.  He already has the Hack disaster on him, I'm not sure they're going to give him 3 years just because Allen is a project.

[varjet]

The only thing I know is that the Jets, Bills and Dolphins will have new QBs on Thursday night, and I am not confident that the Jets, who likely pick first, come out looking the best.  

[Villain The Foe]

16 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said:

Good stuff. Thanks for posting!

Thanks for taking the time. Love watching these type of vids. 

[LAD_Brooklyn]

PFF has Quinton Flowers, USF Bulls (87.3) way above Darnold. Should we consider him at 3?

What should 87.3 rank him? Top 10?

[Beerfish]

Boy the rude awakening to hit people on this board in time is going to be something to behold.

[j4jets]

If I were the Jets, I’d take a flyer on Mike White in the 5th round. Crapshoot draft round, why not? Or we can draft the likes of Chad hansen n Jordan Leggett. 

[LAD_Brooklyn]

1 minute ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

PFF has Quinton Flowers, USF Bulls (87.3) way above Darnold. Should we consider him at 3?

What should 87.3 rank him? Top 10?

Spoke to fast as Greg Ward Jr., Houston Cougars (87.6) is clearly over him by .3 pts.

[TuscanyTile2]

21 minutes ago, burkett2112 said:

Josh Allen is going to get an organization full of people fired.  We'll find out who on Thursday.  

I would also argue that I'm not so sure Allen buys him time.  He already has the Hack disaster on him, I'm not sure they're going to give him 3 years just because Allen is a project.

I don't think Josh Allen is an option for the Jets because Macc doesn't have the time to let Allen develop.  I think the Jets will pick one of Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen (and  I wouldn't be surprised if it was in that order).

[Villain The Foe]

18 minutes ago, bitonti said:

I do agree that the fans will take to Rosen faster than Allen and also agree that Mac/Bowles lack the expertise and the credibility to take Josh Allen and make it work. 

even If the Jets board is really 3 QB deep that 3rd QB will be seen a desperation move, whoever it is 

If John Elway at 5 takes him it's some sort of genius move. Or if belly trades up for Josh Allen it will be presented very differently than if the Jets take him and sit him for a year and half while Rome burns. 

Really no one knows the future or what's going to happen in 48 hours. All of this assumes Baker Mayfield is off the board.

The way this franchise is set up, Josh Allen actually buys Mac time and let's not forget the man makes every decision as a job preserving move. 

Josh Allen might eventually get Mac fired but it's a pick all these guys make and live to fight another day. Look at Tanny running Miami after Vernon Gholston. No one gets blackballed for taking the rarest talent it's a mistake they all make and it's what Pro GM's do.  

meanwhile Josh Rosen could get Mac fired over Instagram.  Whoever Mac picks he has to trust with his job. 

 

I agree about the perception folks have based on the GM. The only GM that actually deserves it is Belicheat. He drafted Matt Castle and made him look good in his system. He drafted Jimmy G and if he continues on this pace he may go down as one of the all-time greats. Jimmy G's release is probably the quickest I've ever seen, probably even quicker than Marino. 

John Elway is a guy who gets love for being John Elway as well as "Lucking" into Peyton Manning given the Colts sucking for Luck. Elway has not shown that he's some sort of guru when drafting these QB's (Though I've always liked Trevor Siemian from a value standpoint). 

If the Broncos were at #3 and Elway picked Allen he'd be looked at like a genius that outsmarted everyone. If Allen fell and Belicheat drafted him he'd be looked at as a genius who once again found great value in late 1st round picks. If the Jets stayed at 6 and drafted Allen they'd be the laughing stock, especially if any of the other top QB's were still available. 

The bottomline is, the only GM that could probably get away with it is Belicheat, Elway would be allowed to explain-it-away yet again, and Macc would lose his job.