I have decided that there is no way the Jets draft Mayfield

[Alka]

If the Jets remained at #6, the Jets could have hoped that Baker Mayfield would be there for them.  By moving up to #3, I have decided that the Jets have higher hopes, and have guaranteed that they don't even have to consider Baker Mayfield.  They gave away (3) #2 picks, and they didn't do that to draft a 6'0" quarterback, one that is not as athletic as Russel Wilson, and not a Drew Brees either.  

I heard today that Mayfield runs a 4.8 40 yard dash, and Russel Wilson runs a 4.5 40 yard dash.  Why is this important do you say?  Because if anyone is thinking that we would be getting another Russel Wilson they should think again.  Maybe we are getting another Drew Brees you might say.  I say that Drew Brees is going to the HOF, and the likelihood that Mayfield is another Drew Brees is remote.  No, Mayfield is not a top 3 pick, and not a top 10 pick either.

How many 6'0" quarterbacks have been drafted in the top 10 in the first round in draft history?  

My guess would be "0"!!!  I don't believe there have ever been a quarterback drafted in the top 10 that have been under 6'1" in the history of the NFL draft.  Please name them if I am wrong.

I don't profess to know the order of Darnold, Rosen and Allen, but it is my guarantee that one of these guys will be the pick, and definitely not Mayfield.

[prime21]

I don't profess to know the order of Darnold, Rosen and Allen, but it is my guarantee that one of these guys will be the pick, and definitely not Mayfield.

Coffee is for closers.



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[kdels62]

4 minutes ago, Alka said:

If the Jets remained at #6, the Jets could have hoped that Baker Mayfield would be there for them.  By moving up to #3, I have decided that the Jets have higher hopes, and have guaranteed that they don't even have to consider Baker Mayfield.  They gave away (3) #2 picks, and they didn't do that to draft a 6'0" quarterback, one that is not as athletic as Russel Wilson, and not a Drew Brees either.  

I heard today that Mayfield runs a 4.8 40 yard dash, and Russel Wilson runs a 4.5 40 yard dash.  Why is this important do you say?  Because if anyone is thinking that we would be getting another Russel Wilson they should think again.  Maybe we are getting another Drew Brees you might say.  I say that Drew Brees is going to the HOF, and the likelihood that Mayfield is another Drew Brees is remote.  No, Mayfield is not a top 3 pick, and not a top 10 pick either.

How many 6'0" quarterbacks have been drafted in the top 10 in the first round in draft history?  

My guess would be "0"!!!  I don't believe there have ever been a quarterback drafted in the top 10 that have been under 6'1" in the history of the NFL draft.  Please name them if I am wrong.

I don't profess to know the order of Darnold, Rosen and Allen, but it is my guarantee that one of these guys will be the pick, and definitely not Mayfield.

The other day I was like “what does Alka think about all of this”

[Greensleeves]

3 minutes ago, Alka said:

If the Jets remained at #6, the Jets could have hoped that Baker Mayfield would be there for them.  By moving up to #3, I have decided that the Jets have higher hopes, and have guaranteed that they don't even have to consider Baker Mayfield.  They gave away (3) #2 picks, and they didn't do that to draft a 6'0" quarterback, one that is not as athletic as Russel Wilson, and not a Drew Brees either.  

I heard today that Mayfield runs a 4.8 40 yard dash, and Russel Wilson runs a 4.5 40 yard dash.  Why is this important do you say?  Because if anyone is thinking that we would be getting another Russel Wilson they should think again.  Maybe we are getting another Drew Brees you might say.  I say that Drew Brees is going to the HOF, and the likelihood that Mayfield is another Drew Brees is remote.  No, Mayfield is not a top 3 pick, and not a top 10 pick either.

How many 6'0" quarterbacks have been drafted in the top 10 in the first round in draft history?  

My guess would be "0"!!!  I don't believe there have ever been a quarterback drafted in the top 10 that have been under 6'1" in the history of the NFL draft.  Please name them if I am wrong.

I don't profess to know the order of Darnold, Rosen and Allen, but it is my guarantee that one of these guys will be the pick, and definitely not Mayfield.

I pretty much agree. Mayfield is not in the same class as Rosen and Darnold, but could be appealing to teams with his accuracy before Allen. I see Mayfield's talent as a 10-15 range, but QBs that are solid always go sooner. I think he could be a pretty good pro, just not anywhere near a ceiling as Rosen, Darnold, and Allen. I really doubt we would move to 3 for him as well. I do think he is a better passer than Russel Wilson, just not as athletic.

[Alka]

2 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

The other day I was like “what does Alka think about all of this”

You flatter me, but thank you!

[Patriot Killa]

40 timing is so overrated. Straight line speed really isn’t that important if your guy moves side to side and extends plays with his field vision.

[MDL_JET]

But you know who did run a 4.8? Drew Brees. So that means Mayfield=Brees. Simple math. 

[RSJ]

I would be happy with any four of these QBs. I also think any of the four are possible at 3.


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[Villain The Foe]

Laughable. Mayfield could very well go #1 in this draft. To think that the Jets traded up to #3 in order to get a better pick of the litter  and that litter does not include Mayfield simply means you're fooling yourself. 

And yes, Drew Brees was the first Drew Brees. When Russell came in he wasn't the next Drew Brees, but the first Russell Wilson. Why would it be a surprise if Baker Mayfield was the first Baker Mayfield in the league? 

 

The comparisons to the degree you're taking it is useless. Drew Brees was compared to a guy when entering the league, does anyone remember who that was or even care? I guarantee you this, whoever Drew Brees was compared to...he ended up being MUCH better than. And I bet whoever Russell was compared to he was much better than that person as well. 

 

C'mon. 

[The Crusher]

11 minutes ago, Alka said:

If the Jets remained at #6, the Jets could have hoped that Baker Mayfield would be there for them.  By moving up to #3, I have decided that the Jets have higher hopes, and have guaranteed that they don't even have to consider Baker Mayfield.  They gave away (3) #2 picks, and they didn't do that to draft a 6'0" quarterback, one that is not as athletic as Russel Wilson, and not a Drew Brees either.  

I heard today that Mayfield runs a 4.8 40 yard dash, and Russel Wilson runs a 4.5 40 yard dash.  Why is this important do you say?  Because if anyone is thinking that we would be getting another Russel Wilson they should think again.  Maybe we are getting another Drew Brees you might say.  I say that Drew Brees is going to the HOF, and the likelihood that Mayfield is another Drew Brees is remote.  No, Mayfield is not a top 3 pick, and not a top 10 pick either.

How many 6'0" quarterbacks have been drafted in the top 10 in the first round in draft history?  

My guess would be "0"!!!  I don't believe there have ever been a quarterback drafted in the top 10 that have been under 6'1" in the history of the NFL draft.  Please name them if I am wrong.

I don't profess to know the order of Darnold, Rosen and Allen, but it is my guarantee that one of these guys will be the pick, and definitely not Mayfield.

I respect that. You made the decision so no Mayfield. Not much more to say. 

[Alka]

2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

40 timing is so overrated. Straight line speed really isn’t that important if your guy moves side to side and extends plays with his field vision.

I should have made my point better than I did.  Do you know how many linebackers run faster than a 4.8 40?  Almost all of them!  So, if you need Mayfield to have escapability, he doesn't compare with Russel Wilson.  Mayfield is not only not as fast as Wilson, he just isn't the athlete that Wilson is.  And I will go a step further, and say that he aint no Drew Brees either; I guarantee it!

[BCJet]

Preposterous line of thinking.

Heres the question we all need to ask - If Mayfield was 6'3 would he be the first overall pick?

If that answer is yes, thats all that matters.  1.5 inches of height isn't going to make or break his career.

[Embrace the Suck]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

The comparisons to the degree you're taking it is useless. Drew Brees was compared to a guy when entering the league, does anyone remember who that was or even care?

Jeff Garcia http://www.footballsfuture.com/2001/profile/drew_brees.html

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Jeff Garcia http://www.footballsfuture.com/2001/profile/drew_brees.html

You wanna see something funny? 

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018bmayfield.php

[Patriot Killa]

5 minutes ago, Alka said:

I should have made my point better than I did.  Do you know how many linebackers run faster than a 4.8 40?  Almost all of them!  So, if you need Mayfield to have escapability, he doesn't compare with Russel Wilson.  Mayfield is not only not as fast as Wilson, he just isn't the athlete that Wilson is.  And I will go a step further, and say that he aint no Drew Brees either; I guarantee it!

No one should compare him to Russell Wilson lol...the only reason that is even a thing is because of size. 

Baker Mayfield will come into the league and pave his own way. Just because he runs a 4.8 doesn’t mean he can’t get away. Why is it possible players like Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to make plays like he made with his feet? You don’t need a guy to run a 4.6 in order to have escapability. You just need the guy to know when to run and know the situation. Baker is a pure passer...no one will be asking him to do Lamar Jackson type things.

[Embrace the Suck]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

You wanna see something funny? 

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018bmayfield.php

It's a lock. Wait sh*t, the team that drafted Drew didn't get the best of Drew. He'll be our Pete Carrol of Qbs.

[Bruce Harper]

5 minutes ago, Alka said:

I should have made my point better than I did.  Do you know how many linebackers run faster than a 4.8 40?  Almost all of them!  So, if you need Mayfield to have escapability, he doesn't compare with Russel Wilson.  Mayfield is not only not as fast as Wilson, he just isn't the athlete that Wilson is.  And I will go a step further, and say that he aint no Drew Brees either; I guarantee it!

How much tape have you watched?  The combine is the last refuge of feeble minds.

[HighPitch]

This is ALK the rable rouser from ji years past

[Villain The Foe]

11 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

40 timing is so overrated. Straight line speed really isn’t that important if your guy moves side to side and extends plays with his field vision.

People looking at 40 times like this is the olympics. 

He ran a 4.8 40 yet has 25 mins worth of highlights like this. 

 

[Embrace the Suck]

7 minutes ago, Alka said:

 Do you know how many linebackers run faster than a 4.8 40? 

Only one of ours...

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

People looking at 40 times like this is the olympics. 

He ran a 4.8 40 yet has 25 mins worth of highlights like this. 

 

“NFL linebackers are faster IT WONT WORK”

.....damn those NFL linebackers! Only if some how those NFL linebackers came from the NCAA at one point... it would be so much easier for Baker.

[The Walrus]

As long as our pick is fast between the ears.

[Jetty]

https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/988861276813254656?s=20

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said:

It's a lock. Wait sh*t, the team that drafted Drew didn't get the best of Drew. He'll be our Pete Carrol of Qbs.

That's only if you draft him, then trade with the Giants to draft another QB a couple years later, then let him walk after an injury only to watch him win titles with an organization that was literally in the dumpsters before his arrival. 

 

What the Chargers did would have been an even bigger monumental mistake if not for Phillip Rivers being a really good player. But even with Rivers, the Chargers were never able to get the right coaching (same situation with Schottenheimer family and Brees) early on in his career and then when their major playmakers began leaving or retiring they were never able to replace those guys in the draft and the Chargers have been stuck in Neutral for years. 

 

However, one problem you can never say the Chargers had was at QB. Rivers no matter what has always been one of the best in the league and has been top 10 for the past decade. However,  Brees is elite and is legitimately one of the best to ever play the game, and if you go pound for pound, throw for throw...he is by far the best QB to ever step foot on a football field and he has the best accuracy I have ever seen from a QB. What Drew Brees can do with a football when passing is like what Steph Curry does with 3 pointer's The guy is stupid good when it comes to accuracy. Legendary good. 

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, Young Jetty said:

https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/988861276813254656?s=20

..the link isn’t accessible bro.

[Villain The Foe]

5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

“NFL linebackers are faster IT WONT WORK”

.....damn those NFL linebackers! Only if some how those NFL linebackers came from the NCAA at one point... it would be so much easier for Baker.

Exactly. The 40 time would make more sense for a guy like Lamar Jackson who had a ton of designed runs and will probably have a few in the pros. Mayfield didn't have as many designed runs (he had a few) but it was really a few. Where Mayfield made his money was through improvising. He extended plays and that either led to passes down the field because he extended the play with his legs or he was able to take off given that there was free ground to run. 
 

Folks love to talk about how Mayfield won't be able to do this in the league because we have faster LB'ers. And in a way that is true. However, Mayfield is a pass first QB. If he's running, its most likely not a designed run or a run after his 1st read. When Mayfield is running it's probably to take advantage of the fact that nothing is open down field and the LB'ers are in coverage. Well, that means that Baker is running against DT's and DE's. 

 

I'll take my chances there. He extends plays. You dont need elite speed to extend plays. Besides, Mayfield is quicker than fast and he has a feel for the pocket. 

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Exactly. The 40 time would make more sense for a guy like Lamar Jackson who had a ton of designed runs and will probably have a few in the pros. Mayfield didn't have as many designed runs (he had a few) but it was really a few. Where Mayfield made his money was through improvising. He extended plays and that either led to passes down the field because he extended the play with his legs or he was able to take off given that there was free ground to run. 
 

Folks love to talk about how Mayfield won't be able to do this in the league because we have faster LB'ers. And in a way that is true. However, Mayfield is a pass first QB. If he's running, its most likely not a designed run or a run after his 1st read. When Mayfield is running it's probably to take advantage of the fact that nothing is open down field and the LB'ers are in coverage. Well, that means that Baker is running against DT's and DE's. 

 

I'll take my chances there. He extends plays. You dont need elite speed to extend plays. Besides, Mayfield is quicker than fast and he has a feel for the pocket. 

Yep.

You can pretty much shut down any BS speed argument that these guys are throwing around with this one post here. I watched Ryan Fitzpatrick do some crazy sh*t running on 3rd down and I know damn well he isn’t as athletic as Baker...especially at his age.

[Larz]

[Alka]

9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Yep.

You can pretty much shut down any BS speed argument that these guys are throwing around with this one post here. I watched Ryan Fitzpatrick do some crazy sh*t running on 3rd down and I know damn well he isn’t as athletic as Baker...especially at his age.

All I am saying that any person that tries to say that you don't have to be over 6'0" to be a successful Qb and make comparisons to Brees or Wilson are wrong.  

My point is you can't make the comparison to Brees and Wilson.

If Mayfield is successful, it will be an anomaly.  Anomalies are not normally drafted in the top 10 picks, let alone the first round of any draft in NFL history.

That is my point.

[Villain The Foe]

15 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Yep.

You can pretty much shut down any BS speed argument that these guys are throwing around with this one post here. I watched Ryan Fitzpatrick do some crazy sh*t running on 3rd down and I know damn well he isn’t as athletic as Baker...especially at his age.

We see it every Sunday. Besides, why make a big deal about a guy's 40 when he completes 70% of his passes and has the highest efficiency rating for 2 consecutive years. 

His 4.8 speed didn't hurt his accuracy throwing all over the field. Funny how when the speed doesn't compare to Russell but his arm compares to Brees folks decide to say "And he'll never be Brees" though his arm is closer to Brees than his athleticism is to Russell. 

 

The sh*t is hate bro. 

[Alka]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

We see it every Sunday. Besides, why make a big deal about a guy's 40 when he completes 70% of his passes and has the highest efficiency rating for 2 consecutive years. 

His 4.8 speed didn't hurt his accuracy throwing all over the field. Funny how when the speed doesn't compare to Russell but his arm does folks decide to say "And he'll never be Brees" show his arm is closer to Brees than his athleticism is to Russell. 

 

The sh*t is hate bro. 

Please, I am not hating here!  I am simply stating that the Jets are absolutely not drafting Mayfield.   Not when you have 1 of the other 3 available; Darnold, Rosen and Allen.

[Villain The Foe]

24 minutes ago, Alka said:

All I am saying that any person that tries to say that you don't have to be over 6'0" to be a successful Qb and make comparisons to Brees or Wilson are wrong.  

My point is you can't make the comparison to Brees and Wilson.

If Mayfield is successful, it will be an anomaly.  Anomalies are not normally drafted in the top 10 picks, let alone the first round of any draft in NFL history.

That is my point.

Mike Vick was 6 foot and he was drafted #1 overall in the same draft that Drew Brees was drafted in. 

The reason why Mayfield is even in this discussion is because he's already become an anomaly, you're just refusing to see it. This is a guy who was a Rookie of the year,  3 time Heisman finalist, won it once, swept his conference championship every year and was in the college playoff every year while at OU...all while being a two time walk-on and winning the job twice. 

 

Your point is irrelevant. It's happening. He may not go to the Jets, but he's a 1st round pick because despite his size, he's the best quarterback in college football and it's not even close. Matter of fact, based on efficiency he's been the best QB in college for the past 3 seasons. 

 

 

[JetFaninMI]

3 minutes ago, Alka said:

All I am saying that any person that tries to say that you don't have to be over 6'0" to be a successful Qb and make comparisons to Brees or Wilson are wrong.  

My point is you can't make the comparison to Brees and Wilson.

If Mayfield is successful, it will be an anomaly.  Anomalies are not normally drafted in the top 10 picks, let alone the first round of any draft in NFL history.

That is my point.

You CAN make the Brees/Mayfield comparison. Same 40 time, same height,same type of player. Mayfield is the real deal bro. The very fact that you say the comparison cannot be made when the facts say otherwise makes your argument laughable. You don't like Mayfield. Its cool. A lot of people don't. It doesn't mean you're right or wrong but you are wrong on the comparison. The only difference between Wilson and Mayfield is their forty time according to you but as has been proven lateral movement is much more important for a QB than forward movement. In this Mayfield excels. Mayfield will be Mayfield. Comparisons are all well and good but we will know nothing until He plays at the NFL level.

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, Alka said:

Please, I am not hating here!  I am simply stating that the Jets are absolutely not drafting Mayfield.   Not when you have 1 of the other 3 available; Darnold, Rosen and Allen.

If Darnold, Rosen and Allen are available at #3 it's because Mayfield was taken either 1st or 2nd. 

 

That's the only reason why the Jets absolutely wouldn't take him. If he's available he would obviously be a consideration. Thinking that he wouldn't is the hate im talking about. 

 

quit with the absolutes 

[Alka]

3 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

You CAN make the Brees/Mayfield comparison. Same 40 time, same height,same type of player. Mayfield is the real deal bro. The very fact that you say the comparison cannot be made when the facts say otherwise makes your argument laughable. You don't like Mayfield. Its cool. A lot of people don't. It doesn't mean you're right or wrong but you are wrong on the comparison. The only difference between Wilson and Mayfield is their forty time according to you but as has been proven lateral movement is much more important for a QB than forward movement. In this Mayfield excels. Mayfield will be Mayfield. Comparisons are all well and good but we will know nothing until He plays at the NFL level.

You know, you are right.  Metrics are metrics, but whether a QB succeeds or doesn't succeed in the NFL comes down to much more than just metrics.  You have to see beyond the metrics and believe that this person will not just translate to the NFL, but have the maturity and leadership skills to lead an NFL team.  He will need to have the maturity to be able to sit on the bench and keep fully vested in learning the system and continue to stay positive, and lead from example until that person has their opportunity to prove it on the field.  He will need to be able to fail and not let him affect him in the negative.

I interview and recommend to hire in my company, and I can tell you that I need to look beyond their resume before I recommend to hire that person or persons. I need to feel that that person will fit into the culture of our organization, and that they are a positive person who can succeed.  

I am just not confident that Mayfield's character is par for where the Jets would draft him.  From what I heard today, Mayfield disrespected the Chargers after accepting a dinner engagement from them and not studying the plays that the Chargers were to test him on.  Mayfield made a poor excuse by saying that he was too busy to study their plays, but still wasted their time by accepting their invitation to a free dinner.  I know I wouldn't have done that; I doubt the Chargers have a high opinion of Mayfield, for anyone who cares.