Giants totally muffed this one...

[Freemanm]

...I know this isn't a Giants chat room, but imagine if Darnold is hoisting the Lombardi trophy in three years while the Giants are searching for their franchise QB, knowing that they passed on him?

Barkley is a great player, but 1) the Giants need more than a RB to become serious contenders again and 2) the shelf life for RBs is typically shorter - maybe four seasons - than most other positions. The position isn't worth a #2 pick

to put it simply, Giants made a huge mistake by not trading down

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

Agreed. The reality is that even if Barkley turns out to be great, if Darnold/Rosen or Allen end up being franchise QBs and the Giants don't find an Eli replacement they will never live it down. 

 

I can also guarantee that the NFL rookie rushing leader will NOT be Barkely. Not because Barkley isn't the most talented, but because the Giants o-line is still awful. Yeah, they added a solid LT (not great), they also lost two of their better lineman in Richburg and Pugh. 

[Patriot Killa]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves with Sammy boy just yet. I hope he is hoisting a Lombardi trophy one day soon but let’s worry about getting him ready to play first.

Adding to your point though, I think the Giants have a really good player, but also gave up a shot at securing and maintaining their future success in the process. If Gettleman was okay with that then that’s either going to be something he has to answer for in a few years or he’ll get a deep playoff run by 2019-2020 and all will be forgiven and forgotten....that still doesn’t change the fact that either Davis Webb has to suddenly turn into the man or they will have to trade up into the top of the 1st and take a QB in the years to come.

Hell, I still say they wind up taking Luke Falk, Mike White, Kyle Lauletta to sit and develop with Webb. It would be the smart thing to do.

[Beerfish]

Two years from now the giants will be trading the farm to gt up and get a franchise Qb or they will be like the jets of the past and using 2nd rounders on iffy QBs.

It is so rare that you find yourself top 2 without having to trade up and if your Qb is 37 and showing a decline you should get the QB.

I also say this as a guy that thinks Barkley, though a good exciting player is by far the most overrated player in this draft.

 

[bostonmajet]

Agreed. I pointed this out in another thread. Unless Barkely is the one piece you need to win it all, picking him was a mistake. You either draft the future QB, trade down and use the extra pick for the future QB, or pick Chubb. This is why, with the exception of QB, a team that isn't one pick away should never reach for a position. BPA.

Here is an interesting question. After picking Barkely (or before), could the Giants have traded with the Browns so they could get Barkley? Cleveland clearly wanted him, the Jets were going QB. Giants could have picked Chubb at #4 and put some draft picks in their pocket if they didn't want a QB. Dumb, very dumb.

[mphtrilogy]

Ravens did the right thing, Flacco is on the clock.. and now they can prep...

thankyou Giants!

[jack48]

4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves with Sammy boy just yet. I hope he is hoisting a Lombardi trophy one day soon but let’s worry about getting him ready to play first.

Adding to your point though, I think the Giants have a really good player, but also gave up a shot at securing and maintaining their future success in the process. If Gettleman was okay with that then that’s either going to be something he has to answer for in a few years or he’ll get a deep playoff run by 2019-2020 and all will be forgiven and forgotten....that still doesn’t change the fact that either Davis Webb has to suddenly turn into the man or they will have to trade up into the top of the 1st and take a QB in the years to come.

Hell, I still say they wind up taking Luke Falk, Mike White, Kyle Lauletta to sit and develop with Webb. It would be the smart thing to do.

I think the Giants are under a bit of a misapprehension.  Eli has had a few amazing runs in his career, no question, but he is not an above average QB any more.  Even in the past there were years where he was decidedly average, too. He was never a consistently fine QB, and now he is 37.  But whatever. I don't care. They are the Giants.

[j4jets]

I think you spelled Browns wrong. 

[Warfish]

13 minutes ago, Freemanm said:

...I know this isn't a Giants chat room, but imagine if Darnold is hoisting the Lombardi trophy in three years...

If Sam Darnold, starting for the NY Jets, is "hoisting a Lombardi trophy" in three years.....

......I won't give a flying poobag what anyone on or related or rooting for the GIANTS thinks or feels.

Lol, why do things have to be seen through the prism of how it effects a cross town franchise that isn't even a real rival?

 

[New York Mick]

Smartest pick for the Giants. Cleveland ****ed up by not taking him. Manning has a few more years which gives them time to develop Webb or get another QB. They believe Barkley puts them over the top again. Every giants fan I know are happy as hell today. 

[slimjasi]

You're not wrong. 

[j4jets]

5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Two years from now the giants will be trading the farm to gt up and get a franchise Qb or they will be like the jets of the past and using 2nd rounders on iffy QBs.

It is so rare that you find yourself top 2 without having to trade up and if your Qb is 37 and showing a decline you should get the QB.

I also say this as a guy that thinks Barkley, though a good exciting player is by far the most overrated player in this draft.

 

Barkley is the real deal. But that doesn’t mean he was the right guy for the Giants this year. 

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Smartest pick for the Giants. Cleveland ****ed up by not taking him. Manning has a few more years which gives them time to develop Webb or get another QB. They believe Barkley puts them over the top again. Every giants fan I know are happy as hell today. 

With RB shelf lives as short as they are, I can't possibly imagine how this works out well for the Giants.  They were not a RB away from another Super Bowl.  He's going to be very good but Eli does not have "a few more years" left in him.  He's basically toast. 

Trading down was the smartest move there.  Someone had to want Darnold, Allen, or Barkley enough to give up a hefty price.  It's rare that you pick 2nd and aren't interested in taking a QB.  You have to take advantage of that. 

[Jetsplayer21]

7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Two years from now the giants will be trading the farm to gt up and get a franchise Qb or they will be like the jets of the past and using 2nd rounders on iffy QBs.

It is so rare that you find yourself top 2 without having to trade up and if your Qb is 37 and showing a decline you should get the QB.

I also say this as a guy that thinks Barkley, though a good exciting player is by far the most overrated player in this draft.

 

I don’t think they will have to trade the farm at all. I think two years from now the wheels will totally fall off with Eli. I suspect they will have another top 5 pick, possible 1 overall. 

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Barkley is the real deal. But that doesn’t mean he was the right guy for the Giants this year. 

I have question about barkley, mediocre rushing totals the last two years for a college super star, a very poor yards after contact, very poor +4 yard gains per carry.  RBs' get hurt more, age quicker and are valued lower $ wise than other players, (see L. Bell)

Barkley will make a bunch of long runs but he'll get a lot of Negative yards as well.

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I don’t think they will have to trade the farm at all. I think two years from now the wheels will totally fall off with Eli. I suspect they will have another top 5 pick, possible 1 overall. 

The jets have stunk for many years and have not managed to get into the top 1 or 2.  It is harder than it seems. 

[LIJetsFan]

For some reason the Giants FO decided to go down with the ship.  Eli is much beloved and rightfully so but this decision none the less is just wrong.  I actually (almost) feel sorry for them for making this level a blunder.  OTOH, f them     

[RSJ]

Giants may have a top 10 pick next season. They still have no OL and their defense is pretty average. Their entire offseason was questionable at best.


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[TheSage]

Giants are in a win now situation with Eli on a very short window. While I may not agree with the pick, it is understandable given their win now situation.

 

 

 

 

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[Jetsplayer21]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The jets have stunk for many years and have not managed to get into the top 1 or 2.  It is harder than it seems. 

That’s because the jets play for 6-10, 7-9 lol. We lost many seasons when we want to win.  the 1 season ( last yr ) it would have helped to lose we won more than we should ha. There have been many seasons where giants picked in front of us. We were very lucky to get darnold though. 

[Jets723]

23 minutes ago, jack48 said:

I think the Giants are under a bit of a misapprehension.  Eli has had a few amazing runs in his career, no question, but he is not an above average QB any more.  Even in the past there were years where he was decidedly average, too. He was never a consistently fine QB, and now he is 37.  But whatever. I don't care. They are the Giants.

Agree about Eli.  he was never a great QB.  I give him credit for coming up big in the playoffs but he did get some breaks too.  Now like you said he is 37 and even though Barkley is a impact player its still a QB league and by passing on probably the best QB in the draft Giants better win next year or they are never gonna hear the end of it

[j4jets]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I have question about barkley, mediocre rushing totals the last two years for a college super star, a very poor yards after contact, very poor +4 yard gains per carry.  RBs' get hurt more, age quicker and are valued lower $ wise than other players, (see L. Bell)

Barkley will make a bunch of long runs but he'll get a lot of Negative yards as well.

He’s a great character kid with amazing talent. Broke many records at Penn State, where many RBs have been selected from in the first. Not many have worked out but that doesn’t mean he won’t either. He’s not Chris Ivory type punishing RB. Balanced all around. Requires a good OL to be as productive, just like any RB. And that’s the only reason why it might take a year or two before he has a breakout season. But he’ll be the unquestioned leader of that backfield from the getgo. 

[Bleedin Green]

This is not even specific to the Giants, but rather for any team in the modern day NFL, I think RB has become the lowest value position outside of special teams positions or FB.  For all of the flack the Jets have gotten for taking a safety at 6 due to positional value, and I'm not even arguing that, a RB at 2 is far worse in my opinion.  Before the Jets traded up and it become a complete certainty they were taking a QB, I was adamantly opposed to them even considering Barkley at 6, regardless of how highly rated he was by many.

The position has become the most frequently replaced in football, with plenty of teams making it work with a regular rotation, having a higher emphasis on the young guys than any other position.  It's a position that even mid-rounders can regularly be seen as day one starters.  In today's NFL, far more often than not those big second contracts for RBs turn out to be a poor investment, and are becoming increasingly more rare.  Essentially, unless you are 100% completely convinced that he is the final piece to your team's puzzle for a Lombardi, there's a better use for that pick.

[Jetsplayer21]

8 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Giants are in a win now situation with Eli on a very short window. While I may not agree with the pick, it is understandable given their win now situation.

I agree. The giants Oline was terrible last yr. Eli had no playmakers with Beckham hurt. They picked up a very good OL in FA, suspect they pick up another in 2nd round. Barkley is a not only a tremendous runner, he is a great receiving back who will make Eli look much better than he is. With Eli’s past playoff heroics I think they are just hoping to sneak in the playoffs next two years.  I’m very happy for our sake they went with the “ win now “ player over the next franchise qb “ Who wouldn’t  help them at all next yr.

[Paradis]

47 minutes ago, Freemanm said:

...I know this isn't a Giants chat room, but imagine if Darnold is hoisting the Lombardi trophy in three years while the Giants are searching for their franchise QB, knowing that they passed on him?

Barkley is a great player, but 1) the Giants need more than a RB to become serious contenders again and 2) the shelf life for RBs is typically shorter - maybe four seasons - than most other positions. The position isn't worth a #2 pick

to put it simply, Giants made a huge mistake by not trading down

 

last time i checked, they have 2 SBs in the modern era.... we haven't sniffed one. 

So lets save the judgy shoulda woulda crap till we're actually doing something worth talking about. 

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

last time i checked, they have 2 SBs in the modern era.... we haven't sniffed one. 

So lets save the judgy shoulda woulda crap till we're actually doing something worth talking about. 

Just because they won 2 super bowl doesn't mean they made a great decision.  Nobody can predict the future BUT passing on darnold is risky and if they don't win the next two years its gonna sting for a while

[Jetlife33]

All the giants fans I know are ecstatic. But I agree with you, and believe they are wrong. Running back is probably the 5th or 6th most important position. There was elite talent at OL, DL and most importantly QB. I don’t care how good Barkley looks. What’s a RB’s shelf life? Wasn’t everyone saying the same things about Fournette last year and then Kareem Hunt and Alvin Kamara had better years. This RB back class is really deep too. They messed up. 

[T0mShane]

Barkley had a six game stretch during last season where he averaged 3.8 yards per carry over 100 carries, highlighted by his 14 carry, 35 yard masterpiece versus powerhouse Rutgers U. If you take out the one big run he had against Michigan, that number drops down to 3.1 ypc. Right now, today, Saquon Barkley is the fourth highest paid running back in the NFL, with by far the most guaranteed money at the position. This is such an epic clustsrvuck on Gettleman’s part that Giants fans should legitimately be concerned about the future of their franchise.

 

20 carries, 56 yards vs Indiana

16 carries, 75 yards vs Northwestern 

15 carries, 108 yards vsMichigan

21 carries, 44 yards vs Ohio State

14 carries, 63 yards vs Michigan State

14 carries, 35 yards vs Rutgers

 

[Tony MaC]

Giants fans seem really unhappy about the pick.

It was a risky choice. Barkley is a great player, versatile, incredibly athletic, maybe the best overall offensive player in the draft. He can add something to any offense, and do so immediately, great for an offense in need of that extra spark to get them over the hump.

But the Giants... well, I'm not even sure he was the most useful non-QB offensive piece they could have gotten for the short term. (That was probably Nelson) And as for not taking a QB, well they do still have a chance to take Rudolph or somebody else who will no doubt need some time. And there will be other years, but maybe never such a gifted opportunity as the one they have now to take a top of the line QB prospect.

He'll be a good player for them, of that I've little doubt, but it is definitely a questionable choice. He'll have to be an all pro level guy at some point to justify the pick.

[southtown24th]

Giants fans are VERY upset.

[Philc1]

No it actually worked out because they probably can still draft Rudolph in round 2

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, Freemanm said:

...I know this isn't a Giants chat room, but imagine if Darnold is hoisting the Lombardi trophy in three years while the Giants are searching for their franchise QB, knowing that they passed on him?

Barkley is a great player, but 1) the Giants need more than a RB to become serious contenders again and 2) the shelf life for RBs is typically shorter - maybe four seasons - than most other positions. The position isn't worth a #2 pick

to put it simply, Giants made a huge mistake by not trading down

 

Agreed. Even Chubb would have been smarter. Let's see what they do Round 2. Rudolph?

[Scott Dierking]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Barkley had a six game stretch during last season where he averaged 3.8 yards per carry over 100 carries, highlighted by his 14 carry, 35 yard masterpiece versus powerhouse Rutgers U. If you take out the one big run he had against Michigan, that number drops down to 3.1 ypc. Right now, today, Saquon Barkley is the fourth highest paid running back in the NFL, with by far the most guaranteed money at the position. This is such an epic clustsrvuck on Gettleman’s part that Giants fans should legitimately be concerned about the future of their franchise.

 

20 carries, 56 yards vs Indiana

16 carries, 75 yards vs Northwestern 

15 carries, 108 yards vsMichigan

21 carries, 44 yards vs Ohio State

14 carries, 63 yards vs Michigan State

14 carries, 35 yards vs Rutgers

 

What else did he contribute in those games? 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

What else did he contribute in those games? 

Grit, I’d imagine. Leadership.

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Grit, I’d imagine. Leadership.

Well you kind of forgot receiving yards, return yards, and he even passed for a touchdown in those games. Those 6 games you mentioned, he accounted for 12 touchdowns. 

You kind of forgot that, as you cherry picked.