Start vs Sit and Develop

[BCJet]

While I think in a perfect world Darnold could use a full year learning the offense, perfecting his mechanics (lower body, I dont think his motion should be touched) and getting acclimated to the NFL, the comparison to Rogers sitting is simply not fair to the player or the organization.

Rogers was sitting behind someone who wasnt just a good veteran, he was sitting by a player who was a first ballot HOF and an icon to his team.  The difference between that situation and our current is extraordinarily different.

Josh McCown is a superb mentor to help teach Darnold how to prepare, interact with the guys, study, etc.  However he isnt going to be very difficult for someone who has Darnold's talent to beat out in a TC and pre-season environment.  

My point is that if Darnold winds up starting week 1, week 4 or at any time prior to the last 4 weeks of the season, the narrative that he could be "being rushed" is simply not the case.  He's young, has things to work on, and has to learn an NFL offense and terminology, but if he is the most talented QB on the field, then its on Bates and Dennison to design gameplans that dont overwhelm him during the week or in the game.  Maybe we run the ball a little more or keep more guys in protection but it becomes the coaches job to keep the kid learning and confident as opposed to simply throwing him into the fire and potentially breaking his confidence in the process.

[Smashmouth]

Training camp SHOULD dictate that 

[British Jet]

I don't think it'll be as cut and dry as starting week 1 or sitting for a season. He'll learn the playbook, be given the opportunity to come in and take reps late in games that are dead and buried in a no pressure environment. Then he'll start a game when the time is right. The guy wants to play an entire career at one franchise if he can. 15 years of being the Jets QB won't suffer from waiting 8 weeks and being smart and patient.

I for one, can't wait to see him become the starter and deliver on it. But like any young player, he should be afforded the luxury of mistakes whilst he develops without people losing their minds.

[sourceworx]

They should go into camp with an open mind. If Darnold looks good in the preseason, and they feel comfortable starting him, then they should do it. If they feel that he needs some time to sit and learn then do that.  Nothing should be set in stone.

[DMan77]

There have been so few starting QBs at age 21... Stafford was one... Bledsoe... More recently you had Kizer and Winston...

But it's rare.

I'm sure the Jets would get murdered for it, and I have no idea if it's the right move, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Darnold come out as #3 on the depth chart. He's so talented and seems quite mature, but he's still only 20! 

[BCJet]

Just now, DMan77 said:

There have been so few starting QBs at age 21... Stafford was one... Bledsoe... More recently you had Kizer and Winston...

But it's rare.

I'm sure the Jets would get murdered for it, and I have no idea if it's the right move, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Darnold come out as #3 on the depth chart. He's so talented and seems quite mature, but he's still only 20! 

This would be great for the long term future of his play and the team - on paper.

The problem is that Mccown isnt good enough to hold off the boos, media, etc calling for Darnold to replace him after every int.  If he could get us to a fast start somehow and play really well, then different story, but if Mccown starts and isnt at minimum 2-1 its gonna be an avalanche of calls for Darnold to play.

[KRL]

The coaching staff should have certain "landmarks" that Darnold has to hit throughout
the summer.  If he passes each test and beats out or equals the performance of McCown
and Bridgewater he should start.  If Darnold doesn't pass the tests he sits, there's no need
to rush him onto the field like Sanchez or Smith 

[DMan77]

8 minutes ago, BCJet said:

This would be great for the long term future of his play and the team - on paper.

The problem is that Mccown isnt good enough to hold off the boos, media, etc calling for Darnold to replace him after every int.  If he could get us to a fast start somehow and play really well, then different story, but if Mccown starts and isnt at minimum 2-1 its gonna be an avalanche of calls for Darnold to play.

I know but they've got to try and tune out the noise and take a look at what's going on too! I hope they do.

If McCown is 0-3 because he's been sacked 12 times they better not throw Darnold out there... That's pointless other than to quiet the media and fans. 

[nyjbuddy]

The other thing that the Jets need to keep in mind is the youth they have at other positions (i.e. wide receiver / tight end) and the introduction of a new offense.  Though Bates was around last year, the offense they bring in is going to be different than last year.  They are going to be growing pains for everyone, including the offensive line, tight ends, running backs and even Bates himself.  Darnold may prove to be ready early on, but it may also help if the other positional groups gain some experience in the offense before starting Darnold.  Players "missing blocking assignments" or making the wrong adjustments are things they can figure out with McCown under center and in the film room with Darnold.

[BCJet]

1 minute ago, DMan77 said:

I know but they've got to try and tune out the noise and take a look at what's going on too! I hope they do.

If McCown is 0-3 because he's been sacked 12 times they better not throw Darnold out there... That's pointless other than to quiet the media and fans. 

If we are 0-3 with our opening slate (Lions, Miami, Browns) then not only shouldnt we put him out there, but thats a situation to consider going full Philly 76ers and "tank" for Trey Adams to be our LT to pair with Sam in 2019 and beyond.

 

[Jets723]

Makes no sense to start him right away at barely 21 years old.   Maybe in the second half of the season if he is ready to go.   I would be more comfortable once they start improving the O-line and add another offensive weapon or 2.    That's why I love the pick.  I think he is the best of the bunch talent wise but he is also the youngest so you can afford to take it slowly

[joewilly12]

24 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

They should go into camp with an open mind. If Darnold looks good in the preseason, and they feel comfortable starting him, then they should do it. If they feel that he needs some time to sit and learn then do that.  Nothing should be set in stone.

Exactly and this bullsh*t that he must sit and learn from Josh McCown makes me sick, what did Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty learn from Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh McCown in 3 years. Open camp the best QB wins the starting job. We drafted the best QB in the draft and we drafted a QB to play and win games. 

[Grandy]

Find out in camp

Wentz was supposed to sit for a while, but he blew people away in camp and the rest is history.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Sit and develop is only a plan when the actual plan crashes and burns.

[DMan77]

13 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Find out in camp

Wentz was supposed to sit for a while, but he blew people away in camp and the rest is history.

Right, but that's the mindset that needs to be adopted by the fans and the media... If this guy doesn't blow the doors off the barn in camp, be ready for him to be down on the depth charts... My fear is the dialogue that he's the week 1 starter is going to get super loud and when he doesn't make it the boos will come hard and heavy. 

People should go in not expecting him to start... Not because we should be pessimistic, but because that's the mostly likely situation for a 20 year old kid. If he's awesome and roars to the starting roll than I'll be as happy as anyone! But I'm more than willing to sit back and wait this year too. 

[New York Mick]

C. Play it by ear. If he’s not ready sit and develop. If he’s ready start him. There’s no hurry. 

[rangerous]

25 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Exactly and this bullsh*t that he must sit and learn from Josh McCown makes me sick, what did Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty learn from Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh McCown in 3 years. Open camp the best QB wins the starting job. We drafted the best QB in the draft and we drafted a QB to play and win games. 

yep.  if he can he needs to start from game 1. the worst thing is if they decide to put him in after the playoff hunt is over.  he needs to get in by game 4 latest.

[bitonti]

the Jets play their first 3 games in 11 days

2 of those games are on the road and the road games are on prime time 

it's too much for any 20 year old (he turns 21 before the season but still)  

McCown starts until he gets hurt. Which will happen sooner or later, no way he plays all 16 games 

let Darnold learn, get reps in preseason whatever. He will be in starting by the season end most likely but it should be organic. Don't force feed him there's no need.

[joewilly12]

Just now, bitonti said:

the Jets play their first 3 games in 11 days

2 of those games are on the road and the road games are on prime time 

it's too much for any 20 year old (he turns 21 before the season but still)  

McCown starts until he gets hurt. Which will happen sooner or later, no way he plays all 16 games 

let Darnold learn, get reps in preseason whatever. He will be in starting by the season end most likely but it should be organic. Don't force feed him there's no need.

What happened to the best players play and we are in it to win it. 

Did Goff and Wentz sit? 

[pointman]

Its football. Best man up. If he plays and he doesn't play well, whether its because hes not ready or the game is getting to him, hes not ready so you pull him. Simple as that. If hes got the golden arm, let him play. 

[56mehl56]

35 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Find out in camp

Wentz was supposed to sit for a while, but he blew people away in camp and the rest is history.

Doug Pederson is the Anti Todd Bowles just saying .

[joewilly12]

Todd Bowles better not screw Sam Darnold up!!!!!!!

[Joe W. Namath]

McCown has already been announced the starter.  Fans need to accept this.  Darnold is being brought along slowly barring an injury to mccown.  Its the right call.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

McCown has already been announced the starter.  Fans need to accept this.  Darnold is being brought along slowly barring an injury to mccown.  Its the right call.

Isn't that ridiculous?  No other organization does this. Todd Bowles days are numbered if he keeps doing dumb sh*t like this naming old re-tread NFL losers QB's starters in the off-season. 

Open camp why sign Bridgewater?  Why draft Darnold?  Josh McCown nice guy great teammate but not a winner.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

Just sit him to start the season and bring him on slowly. We're talking about a guy that had to look to the sideline at those posters for audibles. Once you start him you can't retrace yoursteps and admitt to him he wasn't ready or be wrong about your assessment that you jump the gun to quickly in starting him.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

What happened to the best players play and we are in it to win it. 

Did Goff and Wentz sit? 

The best players should play but 3 games in 11 days is not conducive to player safety for anyone. The league talks about player safety and then schedules 3 games in 11 days. I have to keep repeating it because it should be 3 games in 21 days more or less, right? There's a real chance someone gets hurt. the Jets have too much invested in Sam Darnold to put him through that ringer as a 21 year old. If he was a vet like McCown it would be different story. This schedule is such an outlier. 

[joewilly12]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The best players should play but 3 games in 11 days is not conducive to player safety for anyone. The league talks about player safety and then schedules 3 games in 11 days. I have to keep repeating it because it should be 3 games in 21 days more or less, right? There's a real chance someone gets hurt. the Jets have too much invested in Sam Darnold to put him through that ringer as a 21 year old. If he was a vet like McCown it would be different story. This schedule is such an outlier. 

McCown is old and brittle and is more injury prone than a 20 yr old stud QB

COME ON MAN 

[Larz]

The new cba makes developing a QB more difficult 

They get very little help in the off season 

Darnold is not a project, but he is very young, a redshirt sophomore 

McCown is perfect for him. 

Let's all be patient 

He should play this year, maybe 2 weeks before the bye 

[shawn306]

Everybody is different.

I don't think there is a set way of doing this.

If Darnold is ready week 1 then let him have at it. If not you go with McCown.

My guess is that we will see Darnold before week 8

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, DMan77 said:

There have been so few starting QBs at age 21... Stafford was one... Bledsoe... More recently you had Kizer and Winston...

But it's rare.

I'm sure the Jets would get murdered for it, and I have no idea if it's the right move, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Darnold come out as #3 on the depth chart. He's so talented and seems quite mature, but he's still only 20! 

It’s especially not fair for darnold to jump right in behind 1 of the worst Olines in the nfl. That is mac’s Fault for YEARS of neglecting that in draft. Next FA/draft OL needs a complete makeover.

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

Just sit him to start the season and bring him on slowly. We're talking about a guy that had to look to the sideline at those posters for audibles. Once you start him you can't retrace yoursteps and admitt to him he wasn't ready or be wrong about your assessment that you jump the gun to quickly in starting him.

Agree. They can’t succumb to fan pressure who obviously can’t wait for the Sam Darnold era to start. Hopefully he will be the qb for 15 years without breaking a sweat.

Btw your aviator is sad lol 

[DoubleDown]

Unless he completely dominates in camp and preseason, I am in favor of letting him sit to start the season.

This is a 15 year investment, and the Jets are highly unlikely to compete for anything meaningful this season. There is absolutely no reason to rush him.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 hours ago, BCJet said:

While I think in a perfect world Darnold could use a full year learning the offense, perfecting his mechanics (lower body, I dont think his motion should be touched) and getting acclimated to the NFL, the comparison to Rogers sitting is simply not fair to the player or the organization.

Rogers was sitting behind someone who wasnt just a good veteran, he was sitting by a player who was a first ballot HOF and an icon to his team.  The difference between that situation and our current is extraordinarily different.

Josh McCown is a superb mentor to help teach Darnold how to prepare, interact with the guys, study, etc.  However he isnt going to be very difficult for someone who has Darnold's talent to beat out in a TC and pre-season environment.  

My point is that if Darnold winds up starting week 1, week 4 or at any time prior to the last 4 weeks of the season, the narrative that he could be "being rushed" is simply not the case.  He's young, has things to work on, and has to learn an NFL offense and terminology, but if he is the most talented QB on the field, then its on Bates and Dennison to design gameplans that dont overwhelm him during the week or in the game.  Maybe we run the ball a little more or keep more guys in protection but it becomes the coaches job to keep the kid learning and confident as opposed to simply throwing him into the fire and potentially breaking his confidence in the process.

I say sit.  He's only 20 years old.  The biggest danger is he has a bad start and loses confidence.  As long as we don't have that scenario, I think he's going to be a FQB.

[Mike135]

The decision should be up to two people this year.

Bates and Darnold.  If both decide he should play, he should play.  Week 1, 8, 17 or in the middle of a drive in any game.

Bowles should have no say whatsoever.