Rosen would have been a dumpster fire here

[JohnnyLV]

It certainly seems that Rosen was the majority choice here, though not with the experts or actual NFL teams. He is certainly very very talented.

That said, seeing his overall demeanor in interviews since the draft, I think he would have just self imploded under NY scrutiny. NY media is just brutal, and even worse if you react. He would have been a prime candidate for a Leaf-esque meltdown and NFL flame-out if he came here.

Darnold though I think is perfect and will have no issue.

In fact I think this draft is interesting because 3 of the 4 QBs went to the best place for them to develop.

Darnold and his non-excitable but intensely competitive demeanor is perfect for the Jets. He is a great fit for the WCO that Bates will run, and if you watch some of the Bowles clips he is the first QB that he really seems excited about. I expect he starts day 1. 

Rosen wound up the best place for him as well. Largely ignored by national media, and with a friendly local media he wont have that imminent meltdown he would have here. They play a pocket based offense with Larry Fitz as a safety blanket and a stud returning RB. He will also start day 1 and will likely see immediate success.

Allen also went to the perfect place. His large hands and background is perfect for the wind, rain and snow he will play under in Buffalo. They will feature a vertical play action offense that will allow him to be successful similar to how Flacco had success in his career.

Then Mayfield went to a great situation as well. They can tailor the offense that works well for both Tyrod and Baker, and I think Baker will be very successful.

So I think all 4 of them will become franchise guys and this draft will change the complexion of the NFL for the next decade.

But switch the players, say Allen to Cleveland, Rosen to Jets, Darnold to Denver and Mayfield to Buffalo and everything might have been WAY different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Thai Jet]

After hearing Rosen mouth off like a spoiled, entitled brat I was so glad he didn't land here. The media would have chewed him up.

[ryu79]

Was a huge Rosen supporter. Cant believe how he has lost his head already under limited media exposures since his selection. Thankgoodness the Browns saved us from ourselves.

[Larz]

He already had to clean his first mess 

Now it was only 3 mistakes 

Lol

[slimjasi]

[jgb]

Matter and anti-matter cannot occupy the same space without explosive consequences and neither can Todd Bowles and Josh Rosen.

Jets got the right guy.

[David Harris]

Great post.

well said.

 

yeah I  would have been very happy with Rosen but am relieved not to deal with his douchiness

[BurnleyJet]

Love Rosen, but he's seems to be triggered very easily. This would not end well in NY.

Sam is calm, perhaps Lady Luck finally smiles on us? 

[jamesr]

I reckon that Sam will benefit from the media hype about Mayfield ... might take the big city spotlight off him a bit if the national media are more focused on the Baker hype train this summer.

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[bla bla bla]

Sam Darnold with a chip on his shoulder > Rosen with his entitled BS

 

Rosen would have cracked under the NY spotlight.

[Kleckineau]

I have been saying for months that Rosen is an injury prone douche nozzle.

If the Cards come to Metlife I may wear a Fvck Rosen cap to the game.

[Lupz27]

I personally think Rosen has that perfect cocky arrogant attitude that IF he turns out to be good actual QB he will string along the media like drooling puppets, and they will eat it up every step of the way.  But if he isn’t good will be get your popcorn ready entertainment with the media every time.

[Adoni Beast]

I think Rosen would have been great here. 

I think Darnold can be better here for longer. He has no personality concerns like Mayfield and Rosen. He’s very Manning-like, humble and all about the game, not celebrity or persona.

Rosen is better then Darnold...at this moment and probably will have a better rookie year. But Darnold has a higher and longer ceiling.

[Creepy Lurker]

I had Rosen above Darnold for preference up to the draft. His fluid passes and what I thought was confidence gave him the edge over Darnold to me but I think I was completely wrong. Confidence and attitude is one thing but you need to be great before acting that way. He comes off as a whiny crybaby that would be a nightmare to coach. He already thinks he is the GOAT and seems way too entitled. Darnold’s humbleness is incredible but I still think he can take charge and lead. I would have “scouted” Darnold more but in my mind he wasn’t an option and going to be there. I’m hoping that FINALLY something has gone right for this franchise. 

[Bocajetfan]

Had heard about his attitude but never saw it myself. After seeing his presser reminded me of Cuttler. NY press would eat this guy alive and turn the lockeroom into a total zoo. Teammates would be covering for him constantly or be thrown under the bus by this guy. 

[AbstraKt]

50 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I think Darnold can be better here for longer. He has no personality concerns like Mayfield and Rosen. He’s very Manning-like, humble and all about the game, not celebrity or persona.

Just hope it stays that way.

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, Bocajetfan said:

Had heard about his attitude but never saw it myself. After seeing his presser reminded me of Cuttler. NY press would eat this guy alive and turn the lockeroom into a total zoo. Teammates would be covering for him constantly or be thrown under the bus by this guy. 

Just the face alone.  You’d think someone really wronged him, picked 10th in the draft.  Cutler was picked around there too, he probably was much more graceful in his draft interviews.   

[dbatesman]

It’s been pretty rich watching people who unironically use the term “snowflake” rage-poop themselves because a 21-year-old athlete is confident, but I do agree with the OP. Francesa would do an hour a day on him.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

It’s been pretty rich watching people who unironically use the term “snowflake” rage-poop themselves because a 21-year-old athlete is confident, but I do agree with the OP. Francesa would do an hour a day on him.

How about the people that consider that behavior appropriate for one athlete, yet totally diss on another for the same type of confidence?

Are they selective hypocrites?

[NoBowles]

4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

How about the people that consider that behavior appropriate for one athlete, yet totally diss on another for the same type of confidence?

Are they selective hypocrites?

OH SNAP!!! This could have been slightly better if you tried to use a very fancy word to prove on the interwebz that you were smarter than the rest of the forum members.

 

[dbatesman]

11 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

How about the people that consider that behavior appropriate for one athlete, yet totally diss on another for the same type of confidence?

Are they selective hypocrites?

Sure! Would that also apply to people operating in such bad faith that they pretend there’s no difference between a guy saying he should have gone first overall on the night of the draft and a guy who talks sh*t after a season where he surrendered 8 TDs and recorded 0 INTs?

[Kleckineau]

Insulting people for the purpose of ego fulfillment is not confidence it is a character flaw.

Just ask some Bama players how they feel about Rosen's SAT comments.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Sure! Would that also apply to people operating in such bad faith that they pretend there’s no difference between a guy saying he should have gone first overall on the night of the draft and a guy who talks sh*t after a season where he surrendered 8 TDs and recorded 0 INTs?

Glad we are clear there.

If I were a rookie coming into the league, and had pro personnel questioning whether I actually "care about the game of football" enough to be motivated, let's just say I would decrease the size of the publically stated chip on my shoulder. 

Or, how about actually doing anything before saying something?

Would that be urionical?

[The Crusher]

8 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Sure! Would that also apply to people operating in such bad faith that they pretend there’s no difference between a guy saying he should have gone first overall on the night of the draft and a guy who talks sh*t after a season where he surrendered 8 TDs and recorded 0 INTs?

Makes me happy nobody kept track of the shit I said in my twenties, thirties, uhh forties, hmmmm? fifties...well even yesterday.

[dbatesman]

6 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Glad we are clear there.

If I were a rookie coming into the league, and had pro personnel questioning whether I actually "care about the game of football" enough to be motivated, let's just say I would decrease the size of the publically stated chip on my shoulder. 

Or, how about actually doing anything before saying something?

Would that be urionical?

He should throw a pick-6 to Marcus Peters, then get in his face when he celebrates, like The Good Players do

[JetFaninMI]

20 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Makes me happy nobody kept track of the sh*t I said in my twenties, thirties, uhh forties, hmmmm? fifties...well even yesterday.

sh*t if there were Twitter in my 20's I would probably be universally screwed. That sh*t stays around forever like luggage. Imagine all the things you said and felt when you were a younger man thrown back into your face when you had to enter the real world? Damn.

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

sh*t if there were Twitter in my 20's I would probably be universally screwed. That sh*t stays around forever like luggage. Imagine all the things you said and felt when you were a younger man thrown back into your face when you had to enter the real world? Damn.

Exactly. Boys will be boys.

[Scott Dierking]

27 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

He should throw a pick-6 to Marcus Peters, then get in his face when he celebrates, like The Good Players do

You are actually diverting the discussion from your original statement. I am interested in your stance here. 

Is it good form, or is it not, in your book, for players to come off as "confident" in public statements and pronouncements? Are there rules to this? When is it appropriate, when is it not? 

Are rules different for players that have played one year, vs just being drafted. What are the performance indices that have to be maintained?

 

 

[NoBowles]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

You are actually diverting the discussion from your original statement. I am interested in your stance here. 

Is it good form, or is it not, in your book, for players to come off as "confident" in public statements and pronouncements? Are there rules to this? When is it appropriate, when is it not? 

Are rules different for players that have played one year, vs just being drafted. What are the performance indices that have to be maintained?

 

 

It all depends on A, how PFF feels about the player, and B, who they were drafted by.

[Bocajetfan]

It is not just on the words that part can be rationally explained it is when you look at his body language many will base their interpretation of those words. That is when the words get lost or misinterpreted.

[dbatesman]

41 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

You are actually diverting the discussion from your original statement. I am interested in your stance here. 

Is it good form, or is it not, in your book, for players to come off as "confident" in public statements and pronouncements? Are there rules to this? When is it appropriate, when is it not? 

Are rules different for players that have played one year, vs just being drafted. What are the performance indices that have to be maintained?

I’m not diverting anything. You’re the one who made the weird hamfisted comparison to Adams. I’m not really sure how much clearer I can make the rest. I assume most of the players in the draft, including most of the guys getting picked today, think they should go first overall. I didn’t have a problem with Adams saying it last year and I don’t have a problem with Rosen saying it this year. I’m also of the opinion that bodying up a guy who just scored a TD on you is pretty clownish. If Rosen does that, I’ll be of the opinion that he’s a clown too. 

[jetrider]

 

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Rosen doesn't think his outgoing personality will hinder his ability to make a smooth transition to the Cardinals' locker room. In fact, he believes it'll help.

"I think that's probably the unique reason why I get along with my teammates very well, is because I'm me," Rosen said. "Who I am at this podium and how I'm talking to you is the exact same way I'm talking to my teammates, my family, everyone.

"I'm very real. I am who I am, and I think that's why I'm very grateful to be an Arizona Cardinal, because the team that picked me, they picked me. I didn't try to put on a face. I didn't try to put on a show, which is why I think I'm a perfect fit here."

He still is trying. A 17-13 diva donna that can't stop talking about himself. Everything is about Josh. He did a pre-draft promo blitz, the Aaron Rodgers stuff. When does his butthurt book "What Happened" come out - the day before the home opener? He's bitter because he lost a few dollahs. We seriously dodged a bullet with the self-absorbed nerdball dweeb. When Bruins lost it was "we". When Bruins won it was "I". Rosen will never survive 16 straight games in the NFL. I just don't see how. Won't be surprised if he's nursing a major injury before Sept. Sam Bradford is Cardinals starter. Rosen is a perfect fit there because the two can rotate playing time and rehab. 

[Joe the Breadman]

1 hour ago, Kleckineau said:

Insulting people for the purpose of ego fulfillment is not confidence it is a character flaw.

Just ask some Bama players how they feel about Rosen's SAT comments.

I'm curious...what did he say? I was firmly on the Rosen bandwagon till his "9 mistakes " speech. I hate to say it but I was wrong....Rosen IS a d-bag.

[Rangers9]

I think Rosen will be a good player and would have done ok with us. But we got the best Qb in this draft. 

[adb280z]

Rosen would have been fine here.  He actually has a personality.  I've heard Darnold speak 3 or 4 times so far and I still haven't heard him say anything.