Well we got the FQB prospect, and built DLine back, got a nice nickel CB and a good TE

[UnknownJetFan]

Well we got the FQB prospect, and built DLine back, got a nice nickel CB and a good TE. No Olineman or Edge rusher. Seems like groundhog day saying that for the last few years. I guess the only difference is getting the QB. We keep trying to build the D to stop or slow Brady down when we should be trying to make an O that can outscore him.

[Jetlife33]

No OL and no Edge is disheartening to say the least, but Maccagnan hit this draft out of the park. The trade up was genius and he got the top QB in the draft because of it. Also seems to have gotten great value out of rounds 3 and 4. Whatever happened after that was just icing on the cake. 

[southtown24th]

And no OL

[T0mShane]

Really feel like we gained a lot of ground on stopping the Patriots’ power rushing attack, so that’s a huge plus. Closing the gap and whatnot.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Really feel like we gained a lot of ground on stopping the Patriots’ power rushing attack, so that’s a huge plus. Closing the gap and whatnot.

Our (realistic) goal is not to beat the Brady/Belichick Patriots but to be positioned to be good when that era ends in another year or two.  

But your post was funny nonetheless!

 

[southtown24th]

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/DT?college=allColleges&page=1&sortField=gradeSort&sortIsAscending=false&status=ALL

[long suffering jets fan]

1 minute ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Well we got the FQB prospect, and built DLine back, got a nice nickel CB and a good TE. No Olineman or Edge rusher. Seems like groundhog  day saying that for the last few years. I guess the only difference is getting the QB. We keep trying to build the D to stop or slow Brady down when we should be trying to make an O that can outscore him.

I agree. This is two years in a row.  Last year I was wondering why they didn't use some picks to fortify the OL and backfill Mangold and Brick.  Based on their lack of drafting OL, I hypothesized that maybe they knew something we didn't.  Well it was clear they didn't because that was one of our weakest areas.  This year they picked up a couple of C/G's in Free Agency, but nothing in the draft.  Let's see what happens.

Regarding the edge and the pass rush.  We didn't do a very good job of sacking or putting pressure on the QB last year and to compound the issue we don't have Richardson, or Wilkerson two former first rounders and all pros.  So we trade a 7th rounder to get a pass rusher.  Doesn't seem sufficient to me.

Seems like each draft we've addressed one position effectively.  Last year it was Safety (despite our efforts drafting WRs).  This year we're hoping we fixed our QB for the long term.  We also shored up our CB situation in the short term and made some attempt to stop the run.

I just don't see where this team is going and I'm not sure for all the money we spent that we're a better team than we were last year.  Seems like we're the same, or a worse team now except we have our QB of the future.

 

 

 

[southtown24th]

I think we got great value with our mid-late round picks, no question.

[Beerfish]

Oline, pass rushers and offensive weapons are like big foot, nessie and rainbow unicorns for this team.  Meanwhile our defensive line by definition is a black hole.

black hole

ˈˌblak ˈhōl/

noun

Astronomy

noun: black hole; plural noun: black holes; noun: blackhole; plural noun: blackholes

1. a region of space having a gravitational field so intense that no matter or radiation can escape.

   • informal

     a place where people or things, especially money, disappear without trace.

[southtown24th]

2 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

I agree. This is two years in a row.  Last year I was wondering why they didn't use some picks to fortify the OL and backfill Mangold and Brick.  Based on their lack of drafting OL, I hypothesized that maybe they knew something we didn't.  Well it was clear they didn't because that was one of our weakest areas.  This year they picked up a couple of C/G's in Free Agency, but nothing in the draft.  Let's see what happens.

Regarding the edge and the pass rush.  We didn't do a very good job of sacking or putting pressure on the QB last year and to compound the issue we don't have Richardson, or Wilkerson two former first rounders and all pros.  So we trade a 7th rounder to get a pass rusher.  Doesn't seem sufficient to me.

Seems like each draft we've addressed one position effectively.  Last year it was Safety (despite our efforts drafting WRs).  This year we're hoping we fixed our QB for the long term.  We also shored up our CB situation in the short term and made some attempt to stop the run.

I just don't see where this team is going and I'm not sure for all the money we spent that we're a better team than we were last year.  Seems like we're the same, or a worse team now except we have our QB of the future.

 

 

 

how could we be worse?  the same, fine.  Worse? no.

[BklynJetsFan85]

The CB we got - Parry Nickerson, I liked that pick, the RB pick tho, with Bo Scarbrough and Josh Adams on the board... smh... I don’t think the jets know what the draft is all about. Terrible.


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[slats]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Really feel like we gained a lot of ground on stopping the Patriots’ power rushing attack, so that’s a huge plus. Closing the gap and whatnot.

F* that ripe pig. 

[Jazy8ball]

1 minute ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

The CB we got - Parry Nickerson, I liked that pick, the RB pick tho, with Bo Scarbrough and Josh Adams on the board... smh... I don’t think the jets know what the draft is all about. Terrible.


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I don’t think he was drafted to get many carries.. KR/PR. IMO 

[Irish Jet]

I would be wary about letting Darnold anywhere near that offensive line this season. Surgery was needed and it hasn't happened. Next year we need to seriously invest money and picks into the line. We don't have the weapons to compensate either. The Colts have done their best to f*ck over Luck, we should learn from that bullsh*t. 

[Larz]

If you add in the free agents you see the whole picture 

Once you get the QB you can spend draft resources on edge and oline 

Any Jets fan in a bad mood this weekend needs help 

[JoJoTownsell1]

3 hours ago, Jetlife33 said:

No OL and no Edge is disheartening to say the least, but Maccagnan hit this draft out of the park. The trade up was genius and he got the top QB in the draft because of it. Also seems to have gotten great value out of rounds 3 and 4. Whatever happened after that was just icing on the cake. 

Look at the list of Sack leaders this past year. The last 7 drafts produced a combined ZERO players, outside of the 1st 3 rounds, that had 10+ sacks last year. They were mostly 1st round picks. Any player with edge rush ability is scooped up early in the draft. We took a QB in the spot we were most likely to find an edge rusher. 

The only players with 10+sacks that were taken after the 3rd round were:

Everson Griffen was a 4th rounder taken  9 years ago

Mario Addison was undrafted 8  years ago

Cam wake was undrafted 10 years ago. 

You  just never find legit pass rushers in the late rounds.

[long suffering jets fan]

1 minute ago, southtown24th said:

how could we be worse?  the same, fine.  Worse? no.

Here's what I'm thinking in my simple mind.  I'll agree with you on the same, with a FQB.

Offense:

- RB - Slightly better due to Crowell (vs. Forte) and McGuire having one more year of experience.  This group isn't scaring anyone. 

- OL.  Hopefully better with Wesley Johnson being replaced, otherwise no changes. 

- WR - Despite Enunwa and Pryor we have 16 guys on the roster.  Doesn't this seem excessive?  If it's not a concern why so many?

- TE - See WR.  Not 16 guys, but a bunch of guys hoping one, or two will work out.

Look at the Giants:   Eli, OBJ, Barkley, Engram, Sheppard.  Our best guy isn't better than their worst guy.

Defense:

- DL - Same group with a few lower round DT which we hope will amount to something. 

- LB - Exchanged Demario for Williamson.

- CB - Added Trumaine Johnson 30 yr old CB who is supposed to good.  Besides that we're counting on Claiborne to stay health and a bunch of guys which we hope one or two will pan out.

- S - Status quo hopefully improving withe one year under their belt.

I love the Darnold pick, but we really missed having those two second rounders and it's going to hurt us next year too.

 

 

 

 

[Jets723]

28 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

The CB we got - Parry Nickerson, I liked that pick, the RB pick tho, with Bo Scarbrough and Josh Adams on the board... smh... I don’t think the jets know what the draft is all about. Terrible.


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You are an idiot

[Jets723]

20 minutes ago, Larz said:

If you add in the free agents you see the whole picture 

Once you get the QB you can spend draft resources on edge and oline 

Any Jets fan in a bad mood this weekend needs help 

Unfortunetly those fan simply love being miserable OR they just like to stir up sh*ts. Fans should be pumped

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Well we got the FQB prospect, and built DLine back, got a nice nickel CB and a good TE. No Olineman or Edge rusher. Seems like groundhog day saying that for the last few years. I guess the only difference is getting the QB. We keep trying to build the D to stop or slow Brady down when we should be trying to make an O that can outscore him.

Right you are!  Many are butt hurt because we didn't address the OL in the 6th round.

[Scoop24]

8 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Here's what I'm thinking in my simple mind.  I'll agree with you on the same, with a FQB.

Offense:

- RB - Slightly better due to Crowell (vs. Forte) and McGuire having one more year of experience.  This group isn't scaring anyone. 

- OL.  Hopefully better with Wesley Johnson being replaced, otherwise no changes. 

- WR - Despite Enunwa and Pryor we have 16 guys on the roster.  Doesn't this seem excessive?  If it's not a concern why so many?

- TE - See WR.  Not 16 guys, but a bunch of guys hoping one, or two will work out.

Look at the Giants:   Eli, OBJ, Barkley, Engram, Sheppard.  Our best guy isn't better than their worst guy.

Defense:

- DL - Same group with a few lower round DT which we hope will amount to something. 

- LB - Exchanged Demario for Williamson.

- CB - Added Trumaine Johnson 30 yr old CB who is supposed to good.  Besides that we're counting on Claiborne to stay health and a bunch of guys which we hope one or two will pan out.

- S - Status quo hopefully improving withe one year under their belt.

I love the Darnold pick, but we really missed having those two second rounders and it's going to hurt us next year too.

 

 

 

 

Tru isn’t 30 his is 28, we don’t have 16 WRs we just cut 2 few days ago, 

[Irish Jet]

4 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Here's what I'm thinking in my simple mind.  I'll agree with you on the same, with a FQB.

Offense:

- RB - Slightly better due to Crowell (vs. Forte) and McGuire having one more year of experience.  This group isn't scaring anyone. 

- OL.  Hopefully better with Wesley Johnson being replaced, otherwise no changes. 

- WR - Despite Enunwa and Pryor we have 16 guys on the roster.  Doesn't this seem excessive?  If it's not a concern why so many?

- TE - See WR.  Not 16 guys, but a bunch of guys hoping one, or two will work out.

Look at the Giants:   Eli, OBJ, Barkley, Engram, Sheppard.  Our best guy isn't better than their worst guy.

Defense:

- DL - Same group with a few lower round DT which we hope will amount to something. 

- LB - Exchanged Demario for Williamson.

- CB - Added Trumaine Johnson 30 yr old CB who is supposed to good.  Besides that we're counting on Claiborne to stay health and a bunch of guys which we hope one or two will pan out.

- S - Status quo hopefully improving withe one year under their belt.

I love the Darnold pick, but we really missed having those two second rounders and it's going to hurt us next year too.

Hurting us in the short term may not be an issue so long as Darnold progresses (whether through playing or sitting), may even help with the draft position next season. If Darnold hits then he'll be worth those picks and more - We had to take a chance. 

I don't think we're that bad a team, we've got a lot of solid players but no one really elite. The Giants have a ton of holes around those players which is why they were picking where they were. They're not much better than us if at all.

 

 

[long suffering jets fan]

31 minutes ago, Larz said:

If you add in the free agents you see the whole picture 

Once you get the QB you can spend draft resources on edge and oline 

Any Jets fan in a bad mood this weekend needs help 

Darnold was my guy from the beginning and in the long run it's gonna be great!  But I'm not happy about having to live through another 5-11 season.

[long suffering jets fan]

3 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Tru isn’t 30 his is 28, we don’t have 16 WRs we just cut 2 few days ago, 

You're Correct.  He'll be 29 this season in January. 

[Scoop24]

1 minute ago, long suffering jets fan said:

You're Correct.  He'll be 29 this season in January. 

So he’ll will play 2 full seasons with us before he turns 30. 

[Larz]

4 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Darnold was my guy from the beginning and in the long run it's gonna be great!  But I'm not happy about having to live through another 5-11 season.

You can get starters at any position in the first round 

Maybe not the top guy  but a legit prospect 

Just believing in the QB will make a difference 

 

[TuscanyTile2]

13 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Here's what I'm thinking in my simple mind.  I'll agree with you on the same, with a FQB.

Offense:

- RB - Slightly better due to Crowell (vs. Forte) and McGuire having one more year of experience.  This group isn't scaring anyone. 

- OL.  Hopefully better with Wesley Johnson being replaced, otherwise no changes. 

- WR - Despite Enunwa and Pryor we have 16 guys on the roster.  Doesn't this seem excessive?  If it's not a concern why so many?

- TE - See WR.  Not 16 guys, but a bunch of guys hoping one, or two will work out.

Look at the Giants:   Eli, OBJ, Barkley, Engram, Sheppard.  Our best guy isn't better than their worst guy.

Defense:

- DL - Same group with a few lower round DT which we hope will amount to something. 

- LB - Exchanged Demario for Williamson.

- CB - Added Trumaine Johnson 30 yr old CB who is supposed to good.  Besides that we're counting on Claiborne to stay health and a bunch of guys which we hope one or two will pan out.

- S - Status quo hopefully improving withe one year under their belt.

I love the Darnold pick, but we really missed having those two second rounders and it's going to hurt us next year too.

 

 

 

 

Good general analysis but the NFL is all about the QB.  We FINALLY have the centerpiece to the team.  Going forward, we can get the necessary upgrades.  Darnold is still only 20 years old so we have time on our side.

We're missing a 2nd rounder next year but we still have our 1st rounder and can trade down if necessary.  However, keep in mind that we'll have around $100M in cap space next offseason so we will have plenty of resources with which to improve.  Also, don't forget that if Teddy Bridgewater has a good year, he'll absolutely have some worth in a trade.  Heck, I wouldn't be shocked if we could get a 2nd rounder for him.  But I'm getting ahead of things here as he obviously has a lot to prove.

 

[long suffering jets fan]

6 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Hurting us in the short term may not be an issue so long as Darnold progresses (whether through playing or sitting), may even help with the draft position next season. If Darnold hits then he'll be worth those picks and more - We had to take a chance. 

I don't think we're that bad a team, we've got a lot of solid players but no one really elite. The Giants have a ton of holes around those players which is why they were picking where they were. They're not much better than us if at all.

 

 

I love Darnold and I'm glad we made the move.  I wanted Cousins because we would have gotten to keep those picks, but what are you gonna do.

The Giants have worse OL issues than we do, but they're fixing them. Next year we'll need to take our first rounder and parlay it into multiple picks to plug whatever holes we have then perhaps we can compete for a playoff spot. 

[David Harris]

This was the best draft in the history of the franchise based simply on Sam Darnold.

that said the rest of it was very Groundhog Day 

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, David Harris said:

This was the best draft in the history of the franchise based simply on Sam Darnold.

that said the rest of it was very Groundhog Day 

Fully agree.

[TuscanyTile2]

46 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

I would be wary about letting Darnold anywhere near that offensive line this season. Surgery was needed and it hasn't happened. Next year we need to seriously invest money and picks into the line. We don't have the weapons to compensate either. The Colts have done their best to f*ck over Luck, we should learn from that bullsh*t. 

Good points, all.

[k-met57]

people get upset about OL...our OL is not the problem. Its not great, but its not bad either...esp if the guards rebound. everyone loved winters one calendar year ago. the pass rush is a concern for sure....but i am not worried about it, you get a QB in place and then build around him with cap space and draft.

[k-met57]

if they stay healthy, this is an above average group.

78	Jonotthan Harrison	C	26	6-4	300	5	Florida
61	Spencer Long	C	27	6-5	318	5	Nebraska
64	Travis Swanson	C	27	6-5	304	5	Arkansas
69	Ben Braden	G	24	6-6	329	1	Michigan
77	James Carpenter	G	29	6-5	321	8	Alabama
70	Dakota Dozier	G	26	6-4	313	5	Furman
67	Brian Winters	G	26	6-4	320	6	Kent State
68	Kelvin Beachum	OT	28	6-3	308	7	SMU
71	Ben Ijalana	OT	28	6-4	322	8	Villanova
65	Korren Kirven	OT	23	6-5	315	R	Alabama
79	Brent Qvale	OT	27	6-7	315	4	Nebraska
72	Brandon Shell	OT	26	6-5	324	3	South Carolina

[long suffering jets fan]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Good general analysis but the NFL is all about the QB.  We FINALLY have the centerpiece to the team.  Going forward, we can get the necessary upgrades.  Darnold is still only 20 years old so we have time on our side.

We're missing a 2nd rounder next year but we still have our 1st rounder and can trade down if necessary.  However, keep in mind that we'll have around $100M in cap space next offseason so we will have plenty of resources with which to improve.  Also, don't forget that if Teddy Bridgewater has a good year, he'll absolutely have some worth in a trade.  Heck, I wouldn't be shocked if we could get a 2nd rounder for him.  But I'm getting ahead of things here as he obviously has a lot to prove.

 

I agree with all you said, but the thing that disappoints me is that we had close to 100 mil this year and what do we have to show for it.  Maybe next year we can be more focused on a few positions and really plug some holes.  Who knows maybe the replacement of Wes Johnson will really solidfy our line.  Shell is one year older and was pretty good last year.  Beacham was decent and Carpenter and Winters had to make up for Johnson which made them less effective so who knows.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

I agree with all you said, but the thing that disappoints me is that we had close to 100 mil this year and what do we have to show for it.  Maybe next year we can be more focused on a few positions and really plug some holes.  Who knows maybe the replacement of Wes Johnson will really solidfy our line.  Shell is one year older and was pretty good last year.  Beacham was decent and Carpenter and Winters had to make up for Johnson which made them less effective so who knows.

I hear you.  I don't understand how we didn't upgrade the OL more but I'll trust the experts.  I just know we'll have a lot of resources next offseason.