The weird player crush this board had with Rosen

[Pointdexter]

He never won jack squat in college. Never elevated his team.

Never could stay healthy.

His own coach had weird, tepid praise for him that begged the listener to read btw the lines.

Herbstreit, who is cfb's most plugged in talking head, felt Darnold and Mayfield would've got more out of UCLA as the QB there, but didn't feel Rosen could've matched the success of his peers if he was on USC/OU.

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

 

With all these giant red flags he was by far the board's darling leading up to draft. Posters acted like Macc would be an idiot to take Mayfield over Rosen. I just don't get it. Maybe follow the leader?

 

[Pointdexter]

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-exec-josh-rosen-something-023705821.html

[JoJoTownsell1]

Everyone resigned themselves to the fact that Darnold was going 1 or 2, so they were conditioned into choosing between Hack Part 2 or Manziel Part 2, so they naturally gravitated towards the more polished QB...Rosen. 

Once that happened and they spent weeks defending Rosen they couldn't pivot back to Darnold when he surprisingly fell to us at 3. Many of those Rosen lovers have slowly deprogrammed themselves and are all aboard the Darnold train, but there are still some that can't get over the fact that they wasted so much time defending a QB that ended up being the 4th QB taken.

[NoBowles]

He has great mechanics and is the most NFL ready QB of this draft. I never thought we had a chance at Darnold, I thought for sure he was going 1 or 2, so I ruled out Darnold as a possibility. I would have preferred Rosen over Mayfield, but would not have been upset in the least had we taken Mayfield over him. I would have also been fine if we took Rosen over Darnold, even though I think we made the right long term decision.

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-exec-josh-rosen-something-023705821.html

The reality is that Rosen landed in the perfect spot for him. Arizona fans are more patient than Browns/NY fans. Weather is great. He has David Johnson/Fitz/Kirk. It wouldn't shock  me if he ended up being really good. I just think that Darnold is the better all around player. It would be like comparing Rivers to Rodgers. I'd love to have Rivers, but Rodgers is special. 

The only Qb that scares me is Allen because his upside is incredible, but I am happy he isn't in NY because the fan base would never give him a chance to develop. 

[Dcat]

I liked Rosen's game but I surely didn't love him for us.  I think he is the most physically fragile of the top 4 and just have a gut feeling he will miss lots of time in his career.  He made me very nervous... almost to the point that I would have seriously considered Mayfield over Rosen (but probably would have stuck with Rosen).  But he throws a beautiful ball, accurate.  He reads the defense well too.  His mobility is poor to mediocre when compared to the others.  He has many fine qualities and should be a good QB in the league as long as his OL can keep him in one piece.  

Personality issues really don't matter much.  Winning matters.  Had Cutler been a winner, nobody would have cared how turdly his personality was.

[Jetsfan80]

Darnold has been my # 1 from the start.  I wouldn't have minded Rosen, but he certainly wasn't my "darling". 

Really it was anyone but Allen for me. 

[Mike135]

5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Everyone resigned themselves to the fact that Darnold was going 1 or 2, so they were conditioned into choosing between Hack Part 2 or Manziel Part 2, so they naturally gravitated towards the more polished QB...Rosen. 

Once that happened and they spent weeks defending Rosen they couldn't pivot back to Darnold when he surprisingly fell to us at 3. Many of those Rosen lovers have slowly deprogrammed themselves and are all aboard the Darnold train, but there are still some that can't get over the fact that they wasted so much time defending a QB that ended up being the 4th QB taken.

And he has great taste in hats.

[CTJetsFan]

2 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

He has great mechanics and is the most NFL ready QB of this draft. I never thought we had a chance at Darnold, I thought for sure he was going 1 or 2, so I ruled out Darnold as a possibility. I would have preferred Rosen over Mayfield, but would not have been upset in the least had we taken Mayfield over him. I would have also been fine if we took Rosen over Darnold, even though I think we made the right long term decision.

My feelings as well. However, once Darnold fell to us, I was fine with either QB. Based on reports/events since the pick, I'm even happier with Darnold.

[prime21]

5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Everyone resigned themselves to the fact that Darnold was going 1 or 2, so they were conditioned into choosing between Hack Part 2 or Manziel Part 2, so they naturally gravitated towards the more polished QB...Rosen. 

Once that happened and they spent weeks defending Rosen they couldn't pivot back to Darnold when he surprisingly fell to us at 3. Many of those Rosen lovers have slowly deprogrammed themselves and are all aboard the Darnold train, but there are still some that can't get over the fact that they wasted so much time defending a QB that ended up being the 4th QB taken.

This.

[The Crusher]

12 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

He never won jack squat in college. Never elevated his team.

Never could stay healthy.

His own coach had weird, tepid praise for him that begged the listener to read btw the lines.

Herbstreit, who is cfb's most plugged in talking head, felt Darnold and Mayfield would've got more out of UCLA as the QB there, but didn't feel Rosen could've matched the success of his peers if he was on USC/OU.

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

 

With all these giant red flags he was by far the board's darling leading up to draft. Posters acted like Macc would be an idiot to take Mayfield over Rosen. I just don't get it. Maybe follow the leader?

 

I can only speak for myself but I think a lot of us never thought we had a shot at Sam. So moved on to Rosen, Mayfield or even Allen. 

Also even with all those negatives nobody argued against Rosen having the best mechanics and being the most NFL ready. So it made sense for the Jets with Sam no longer a consideration. 

Finally all of the top four QBs had their inherent faults. The NFL teams just had to pick the guy with the faults they felt they were most suited to handle. 

[New York Mick]

It got to the point where I didn’t give a sh*t what QB we drafted as long as we drafted one. All the QBs in this draft have flaws and potential so it’s a crapshoot anyway. Let’s just hope they chose right and they get Darnold the protection, playmakers and coaching he needs to succeed.

As far as the other QBs go I don’t ******* care about Rosen or Mayflower because they’re out of our division. As far as Allen as I’ve said I want him to be the second best QB in the draft. Good enough to beat Miami and NE but not as good as Darnold. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Personality issues really don't matter much.  Winning matters.  Had Cutler been a winner, nobody would have cared how turdly his personality was.

But couldn't Cutler's personality have had an impact on his ability to win?  Being coachable and a good teammate is important for a QB.  It's not as important as talent, but they're major factors at a leadership position. 

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

The reality is that Rosen landed in the perfect spot for him. Arizona fans are more patient than Browns/NY fans. Weather is great. He has David Johnson/Fitz/Kirk. It wouldn't shock  me if he ended up being really good. I just think that Darnold is the better all around player. It would be like comparing Rivers to Rodgers. I'd love to have Rivers, but Rodgers is special. 

The only Qb that scares me is Allen because his upside is incredible, but I am happy he isn't in NY because the fan base would never give him a chance to develop. 

Great post. He really did and I think Sam did as well. Baker has his work cut out for him in Cleveland for sure. Allen in Buffalo will be in our face moving forward so we will have a front row seat to see how that turns out. 

[Bleedin Green]

It's been pretty well covered by most already, but it comes down to the obvious point of no one expecting Darnold to still be on the board, and the second factor is the majority being definitely frightened of how completely raw and unproven Allen is.

So that basically left the vast majority of the debate to Rosen vs Mayfield, with it mostly coming down to each fan's feelings on the QB position more than even the individual players.  Those more in favor of the "traditionalist" style of QB simply preferred Rosen, which does make sense.  From my perspective I would have really been fine with either, but was convinced Rosen was going to be the pick.  Obviously the Darnold situation changed everything.

[Bruce Harper]

3 hours ago, Pointdexter said:

He never won jack squat in college. Never elevated his team.

Never could stay healthy.

His own coach had weird, tepid praise for him that begged the listener to read btw the lines.

Herbstreit, who is cfb's most plugged in talking head, felt Darnold and Mayfield would've got more out of UCLA as the QB there, but didn't feel Rosen could've matched the success of his peers if he was on USC/OU.

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

 

With all these giant red flags he was by far the board's darling leading up to draft. Posters acted like Macc would be an idiot to take Mayfield over Rosen. I just don't get it. Maybe follow the leader?

 

I felt that there were almost as many folks around here saying Mayfield (nobody thought Darnold would be available). 

On the day before the draft when the Mayfield to the Browns rumors got really loud, I posted a Darnold versus Rosen poll (and got buttfumbled by some Allen fans for not including him).  Rosen won it almost 2 to 1, if I remember correctly.  But I think that was because very few people on this board had considered that we might have a chance of getting Darnold so they watched all of Rosen's tape but not much of Darnold's.  I voted for Darnold and I couldn't be more excited about getting him, especially after "getting to know" Rosen a little bit on draft day.

[slats]

14 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

Yeah, I wonder if it was the fact that Rosen said he didn't want to play for the Browns before changing his mind and saying, no, it would be okay. 

[FidelioJet]

I, personally, wanted nothing to do with Rosen.  Would have been 4th on my board.  

Glad he's not a Jet.

[Maxman]

It wasn't just this board, Rosen won a twitter poll we dead with the choices being Rosen, Mayfield and Allen.

We, like most everyone else, assumed that Darnold wouldn't be available. I think a lot of people feel the way Jetsfan80 does, any of the 3 would have been fine. Just not Allen.

[Dcat]

18 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

But couldn't Cutler's personality have had an impact on his ability to win?  Being coachable and a good teammate is important for a QB.  It's not as important as talent, but they're major factors at a leadership position. 

perhaps a little, but football intelligence, arm strength, accuracy and ability to read the defense and see the whole field are all waaaaaaaaaay more important.  The whole personality thing is overblown and it's funny how rarely it is an issue with winning QBs.  Dan Marino was a prick, but was it an issue that kept them from winning?  I don't think so.  Bad defense and zero running game did him in throughout his career.  Personality-wise he was an aszhole 24/7.

[dbatesman]

30 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

He has great mechanics and is the most NFL ready QB of this draft. I never thought we had a chance at Darnold, I thought for sure he was going 1 or 2, so I ruled out Darnold as a possibility. I would have preferred Rosen over Mayfield, but would not have been upset in the least had we taken Mayfield over him. I would have also been fine if we took Rosen over Darnold, even though I think we made the right long term decision.

This. What a weird thread.

[T0mShane]

36 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Everyone resigned themselves to the fact that Darnold was going 1 or 2, so they were conditioned into choosing between Hack Part 2 or Manziel Part 2, so they naturally gravitated towards the more polished QB...Rosen. 

Once that happened and they spent weeks defending Rosen they couldn't pivot back to Darnold when he surprisingly fell to us at 3. Many of those Rosen lovers have slowly deprogrammed themselves and are all aboard the Darnold train, but there are still some that can't get over the fact that they wasted so much time defending a QB that ended up being the 4th QB taken.

Name names! 

[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, Dcat said:

perhaps a little, but football intelligence, arm strength, accuracy and ability to read the defense and see the whole field are all waaaaaaaaaay more important.  The whole personality thing is overblown and it's funny how rarely it is an issue with winning QBs.  Dan Marino was a prick, but was it an issue that kept them from winning?  I don't think so.  Bad defense and zero running game did him in throughout his career.  Personality-wise he was an aszhole 24/7.

Not the best example, considering that Marino never won a ring.  And some DO think his personality played at least a small role in him being unable to do so.  He put a good deal of emphasis on personal accomplishments during his playing days. 

[Jetsfan80]

And yes, abilities to play the position come first, as I stated.  Mark Sanchez mostly said and did the right things, and was beloved by his teammates and coaches.  Too bad he sucked at football. 

[Pointdexter]

7 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This. What a weird thread.

Says the president of the Rosen fan club? The kid is going to flame out in Ryan Leaf proportions. 

[RoadFan]

40 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Everyone resigned themselves to the fact that Darnold was going 1 or 2, so they were conditioned into choosing between Hack Part 2 or Manziel Part 2, so they naturally gravitated towards the more polished QB...Rosen. 

Once that happened and they spent weeks defending Rosen they couldn't pivot back to Darnold when he surprisingly fell to us at 3. Many of those Rosen lovers have slowly deprogrammed themselves and are all aboard the Darnold train, but there are still some that can't get over the fact that they wasted so much time defending a QB that ended up being the 4th QB taken.

Excellent.

[ZachEY]

46 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

He never won jack squat in college. Never elevated his team.

Never could stay healthy.

His own coach had weird, tepid praise for him that begged the listener to read btw the lines.

Herbstreit, who is cfb's most plugged in talking head, felt Darnold and Mayfield would've got more out of UCLA as the QB there, but didn't feel Rosen could've matched the success of his peers if he was on USC/OU.

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

 

With all these giant red flags he was by far the board's darling leading up to draft. Posters acted like Macc would be an idiot to take Mayfield over Rosen. I just don't get it. Maybe follow the leader?

 

Most Rosen fans are still happy today.  So, what's the point of discussing the QB the Cardinals drafted?

[flgreen]

I would have been OK with Rosen, but had him 4th.  Have real concerns if he will finish his rookie contract over health issues.  

[Beerfish]

Rosen is really good and though  Darnold was always my #1 get I would have been happy with him as well.  He is going to be a very good nfl qb.

[CTJetsFan]

13 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Most Rosen fans are still happy today.  So, what's the point of discussing the QB the Cardinals drafted?

Seriously. This is/was the most unified I've ever seen a Jets fans message board in 20 years regarding a draft pick (Darnold). How many people who said they wanted Rosen before the draft started are still saying that now? 2-3  people?

For the record - I was one of those people (pro Rosen) but am 100% onboard with the Darnold pick.

[dbatesman]

17 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Says the president of the Rosen fan club? The kid is going to flame out in Ryan Leaf proportions. 

There is no president of the Rosen fan club. We are a single hivemind collective.

[NYJ37/12]

1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

He never won jack squat in college. Never elevated his team.

Never could stay healthy.

His own coach had weird, tepid praise for him that begged the listener to read btw the lines.

Herbstreit, who is cfb's most plugged in talking head, felt Darnold and Mayfield would've got more out of UCLA as the QB there, but didn't feel Rosen could've matched the success of his peers if he was on USC/OU.

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

 

With all these giant red flags he was by far the board's darling leading up to draft. Posters acted like Macc would be an idiot to take Mayfield over Rosen. I just don't get it. Maybe follow the leader?

 

never liked Rosen.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

He never won jack squat in college. Never elevated his team.

Never could stay healthy.

Change "college" for "the NFL" and this could be the perfect description of Josh McCown, yet this board (far as I can tell) loves him and refuses the entire concept of starting other QB's till Darnld is ready to play.

1 hour ago, Pointdexter said:

His own coach had weird, tepid praise for him that begged the listener to read btw the lines.

Herbstreit, who is cfb's most plugged in talking head, felt Darnold and Mayfield would've got more out of UCLA as the QB there, but didn't feel Rosen could've matched the success of his peers if he was on USC/OU.

Browns VP just said regarding Rosen, "something about him bothered me."

With all these giant red flags he was by far the board's darling leading up to draft. Posters acted like Macc would be an idiot to take Mayfield over Rosen. I just don't get it. Maybe follow the leader?

Rosen is a Cardinal, let them worry about him.  Only QB I care about is Darnold.

More interesting than Rosen-talk at this point is Brown-talk about why THEY say Mayfield > Darnold that came out in the past 24 hours.

[sackdance]

1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

He has great mechanics and is the most NFL ready QB of this draft. 

Mechanics? Sure, but NFL ready? Rosen wasn't even Pac12 ready. Only finished 1 season out of 3 and multiple concussion is part of his story. I wish him well, but envision Cards being in hunt for a QB in not too distant future. Personally think it's nuts to draft a player like this in the first round. Kind of like buying an MG for your everyday car.

[sackdance]

13 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

More interesting than Rosen-talk at this point is Brown-talk about why THEY say Mayfield > Darnold that came out in the past 24 hours.

I read the rationale - and it is jawdropping, seriously. In the 11th hour Browns exec Alonzo Highsmith met with and was simply overcome by Baker's personality and said we need this guy.

And that was that.

I wish I was that way with women.

 Given the browns history of decision making, Highsmith's colorful and undistinguished past ... I don't think there was a better reason in the world for a pass on Darnold. (except for maybe the Giants to nurse Eli's self-esteem?)

We did great!