20/20 Hindsight Poll: Darnold at 3 or Rosen at 6?

[Jetsfan80]

If you could go back in time to before we traded up with Indy, what would you instruct Macc to do?  Stay at 3 to grab Darnold, or remain at 6 to take Rosen?

We're assuming here that Darnold would have gone somewhere in the top 5 had we not snagged him, likely via trade-up. 

[CTM]

Rosen + 3 2's vs Darnold?

[nycdan]

This has been discussed and not much is changing since the last thread.  Perhaps a better discussion would be how things would look if we had gotten Cousins.  What would we have done at 6 (probably Nelson and Chubb would be gone so trade down?) and at those other 2nd round spots.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, CTM said:

Rosen + 3 2's vs Darnold?

Correct.  That would have been a simpler way for me to ask it, lol.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, nycdan said:

This has been discussed and not much is changing since the last thread.  Perhaps a better discussion would be how things would look if we had gotten Cousins.  What would we have done at 6 (probably Nelson and Chubb would be gone so trade down?) and at those other 2nd round spots.

I'm so glad that never happened.  We would have been stuck in no-mans land with our pick. 

I don't think Quenton Nelson would have been gone had that happened (I find it hard to believe the Colts would take a guard at 3 with Darnold on the board; they would have traded down to a QB-needy team), so I guess that Nelson would have been my preferred pick at 6 if a worthwhile trade-down wasn't possible. 

[jetstream23]

The Colts can keep our 2's.  I don't need another Devin Smith or Stephen Hill.  I'll take Darnold!

[Stark]

10 minutes ago, CTM said:

Rosen + 3 2's vs Darnold?

we wast 2nd round picks every year, lets stick with the trade - try something new... 

[prime21]

Darnold, and lets hope we are saying the same thing 5 years from now.

[MDL_JET]

13 minutes ago, CTM said:

Rosen + 3 2's vs Darnold?

Honestly, I was a huge Rosen fan. Idk if it's because he's now a Jet or what, but I feel like we're in better hands with Darnold and i'd rather go this route. If we gave up future 1's then i'd probably change my tune. But missing the 2's? I can deal with that. 

[Augustiniak]

11 minutes ago, nycdan said:

This has been discussed and not much is changing since the last thread.  Perhaps a better discussion would be how things would look if we had gotten Cousins.  What would we have done at 6 (probably Nelson and Chubb would be gone so trade down?) and at those other 2nd round spots.

i think the realistic discussion is darnold vs rosen and the picks.  i prefer darnold over this haul and over mayfield + ward.  darnold will be the best qb in this class, and nobody the jets would have taken in the 2nd round this year would have tipped the scales for rosen.  

i think rosen is overrated as a prospect, i think his arm, mobility, creativity and ability to throw when the pocket isn't clean is all average.  throw in his injury history and you're not looking at a qb with a high ceiling.  i see a functional starter, a guy who is a better version of chad on the field and a better version of cutler off of it.  i also think he would melt in ny, he is in a good spot for him.  

[Dcat]

the poll results speak for themselves.

at the moment: 20:1

Sam is the man.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

the poll results speak for themselves.

at the moment: 20:1

Sam is the man.

I knew Sam would be the poll winner, but I didn't know it would be a landslide. 

[Untouchable]

Darnold 

Hell, I wasn’t against making another move up from #3 to #1 to secure him.

The more Rosen opens his mouth the more I’m convinced he would be a disaster in NY. He’s in the perfect situation in Arizona.

[peebag]

Moving up to 3 was the right thing to do.

[Scott Dierking]

There is no guarantee that is the way the draft would have worked out if the Jets stuck at 6. No promise that someone else would have jumped theJets and taken Rosen (or Denver may have taken him).

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

There is no guarantee that is the way the draft would have worked out if the Jets stuck at 6. No promise that someone else would have jumped theJets and taken Rosen (or Denver may have taken him).

Why would Denver have taken Rosen?  He was there in real life and they didn't take him.  Are you saying that Chubb wouldn't have fallen to them, so they'd have gone QB instead?

I think it's more than reasonable to assume Rosen would have been there at 6 given that no one in the top 10 wanted him in real life.

In any case, this is a message board.  We're allowed to deal in hypotheticals. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

2012 NFL Draft: Andrew Luck vs. Ryan Tannehill + 3 2nd round picks.

[RichardTodd27]

19 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The Colts can keep our 2's.  I don't need another Devin Smith or Stephen Hill.  I'll take Darnold!

I agree with this. But how about in the future we start using our 2nd and 3rd round picks on Guards & Tackles? They seem to have a higher success rate in those rounds than wr's (I have no evidence to back this up).

[section314]

5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

There is no guarantee that is the way the draft would have worked out if the Jets stuck at 6. No promise that someone else would have jumped theJets and taken Rosen (or Denver may have taken him).

Two interesting Denver tidbits.  1) In the ESPN mock 2 days before the draft, the one where all the beat writers who cover the various teams pick for them , the board went Darnold, Barkley, Mayfield and Chubb. The Denver writer said that if the draft went this way, Denver would trade out, because the top guys on their board, especially the two QB's, were gone. 2) even more telling...they had a trade in place with Buffalo from mid afternoon, according to Schefter, if board went like the top 4 mentioned above, to trade out. When Chubb was there, the trade was off. 

[DoubleDown]

I voted for Rosen and 3 second rounders.

I think both players will go on to have very good careers. In retrospect, I'd take Rosen and keep all my picks to put some higher end talent around him.

With that said, the trade up was 100% the correct move as there was no guarantee that any of the top 3 or 4 quarterbacks would still be on the board at #6.

I'm all aboard the Darnold train at this point. It's so exciting to finally have a franchise quarterback to root for. Frankly, it doesn't really matter how we got him.

[Augustiniak]

12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Why would Denver have taken Rosen?  He was there in real life and they didn't take him.  Are you saying that Chubb wouldn't have fallen to them, so they'd have gone QB instead?

I think it's more than reasonable to assume Rosen would have been there at 6 given that no one in the top 10 wanted him in real life.

In any case, this is a message board.  We're allowed to deal in hypotheticals. 

the main question is, what would the colts have done if they didn't trade with the jets.  would they have traded to buffalo, miami, denver, etc?  we don't know.  

[DMan77]

34 minutes ago, nycdan said:

This has been discussed and not much is changing since the last thread.  Perhaps a better discussion would be how things would look if we had gotten Cousins.  What would we have done at 6 (probably Nelson and Chubb would be gone so trade down?) and at those other 2nd round spots.

Ya I think Nelson would have been there in that scenario and the Jets would have scooped him up... It would have made sense for them to protect their new investment; although they'd have probably gotten dinged for taking him so early.

Knowing now that they wanted to stack up on DTs, they might have also traded down and taken someone like Vita Vea? Or maybe Taven Bryan? 

 

[Beerfish]

I like rosen a lot and think he will be good but  I have been a Darnold guy since day one.

The reason we had to trade 3 2nd rounders was not because of sam darnold it was because the jets as usual won some meaningless games in a bag of fail season.  Luckily it did not cost us the QB as it has in he past at times.

[DMan77]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

the main question is, what would the colts have done if they didn't trade with the jets.  would they have traded to buffalo, miami, denver, etc?  we don't know.  

It feels like they would have... But who knows. 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

the main question is, what would the colts have done if they didn't trade with the jets.  would they have traded to buffalo, miami, denver, etc?  we don't know.  

Had the board fallen the way it did, they would have potentially gotten a lot more out of that 3rd pick given that people didn't expect Darnold to be available there.

I imagine Colts fans are pretty pissed right now that they didn't wait until draft night to move down. 

Either way, though, I expect Darnold would have been the pick there, regardless of who ended up with it. 

[dbatesman]

I liked Rosen a lot, and still do, but the injuries are a real concern, and while I don’t have a problem with his mouth, I do think the media here would have had a field day with it. That said, people are being awfully glib about 2nd-round picks, which (particularly where we tend to be slotted) are the most valuable picks in the draft by some measures. I’m happy with Darnold and if he hits of course three 2s is a pittance, but let’s not act like it’s not going to cost us anything.

[NYs Stepchild]

26 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Honestly, I was a huge Rosen fan. Idk if it's because he's now a Jet or what, but I feel like we're in better hands with Darnold and i'd rather go this route. If we gave up future 1's then i'd probably change my tune. But missing the 2's? I can deal with that. 

They are polar opposites. 

Darnold will be much more exciting.

Rosen reminds me of Peyton only in his mechanically exaggerated movements. Always in the proper throwing position. I'm not saying he'll be Peyton. Peyton's the only successful QB I've ever seen that ridgid. He's also missed a lot of games and does not seem to have the passion that Manning does. 

Darnold reminds me of Farve in that it all seems natural but looks terrible. You would never want any prospects to learn by watching him play but he gets it done. 

Now it all comes down to how much each of them can learn to adjust. My money is on the natural talent with fewer years of experience learning to reign it in in situations. 

I doubt you'll ever get Rosen to loosen up and play instinctually. He'll be good but never great. 

[Augustiniak]

12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Had the board fallen the way it did, they would have potentially gotten a lot more out of that 3rd pick given that people didn't expect Darnold to be available there.

I imagine Colts fans are pretty pissed right now that they didn't wait until draft night to move down. 

Either way, though, I expect Darnold would have been the pick there, regardless of who ended up with it. 

not only that, what do you think they'll be thinking if luck can't play this year or if he returns and hurts himself again.  they could have stayed at 3 and drafted darnold and traded luck.  but if they waited until they were on the clock they could have probably swapped with denver, denver gets darnold, the browns get ward and then indy would get chubb which is better value with that pick.

[Jetsfan80]

13 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I liked Rosen a lot, and still do, but the injuries are a real concern, and while I don’t have a problem with his mouth, I do think the media here would have had a field day with it. That said, people are being awfully glib about 2nd-round picks, which (particularly where we tend to be slotted) are the most valuable picks in the draft by some measures. I’m happy with Darnold and if he hits of course three 2s is a pittance, but let’s not act like it’s not going to cost us anything.

If we had any confidence in Maccagnan's ability to make smart picks, those 2nds would be considered highly valuable, and we'd probably see significantly more people voting for option 2. 

We very easily could have turned those 2nds into quality O-Linemen or even a legit pass rusher. 

[dbatesman]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

If we had any confidence in Maccagnan's ability to make smart picks, those 2nds would be highly valuable, and we'd probably see significantly more people voting for option 2. 

Maccagnan’s inability to draft is an argument for hoarding picks, not trading them.

[kelly]

50 minutes ago, prime21 said:

Darnold, and lets hope we are saying the same thing 5 years from now.

yup !..

 

[New York Mick]

I’ll tell you in five years. We had the option of Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Jackson. This could be another 1983 with the QBs. 

[KRL]

I don't care what Rosen and the draft picks become, this organization had to be aggressive
to finally solve the QB issue.  There's no way I would've been comfortable sitting at #6
and hoping QB's would fall.  I'll never criticize the move to #3  

[Xtina]

1 hour ago, MDL_JET said:

Honestly, I was a huge Rosen fan. Idk if it's because he's now a Jet or what, but I feel like we're in better hands with Darnold and i'd rather go this route. If we gave up future 1's then i'd probably change my tune. But missing the 2's? I can deal with that. 

Yeah not a single first round pick yet the pundits insist we got hosed by the Colts 

[Xtina]

6 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

I’ll tell you in five years. We had the option of Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Jackson. This could be another 1983 with the QBs. 

GM’s don’t have this luxury